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On November 02 2015 03:34 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:On November 02 2015 03:01 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
After I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.
Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).
If you trust gumshoe's appeal to me, he is town. If not, he is always mafia with Onegu. I trust it. I don't think someone can get that low and swear on the life of others and be lying. Really, this is my reason to town read him.
After I die, kill Vivax. Then think twice about BH. I'm town. If I die today, will you reach MYLO? If yes, kill Vivax. If no, get rid of hopeless so you guys can clear your heads.
Read the latest student mafia so you can see I can be this burned out as town. I was town there.
I will vote Vivax because he keeps saying he is ready to in scum read me and was going against gumshoe automatically after I've brought that case. There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all.
##Vote: Vivax
Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this? What does the underlined mean here? Hopeless is always a question mark. If you can afford a second mislynch (after I die), go for hopeless. If not, then go for Vivax which I think is way scummier. Guys, is this a scumslip? If you're town, then we're in LYLO and can't afford a mislynch after GB dies. If you're mafia, then we can afford a mislynch after GB dies. Maybe he just isn't thinking about the game at all and didn't count the number of players left..? But why would he even bring up the scenario that we could have another mislynch after him? If he's mafia and forgot that he has to count himself as a mislynch?
This is a clear example of how you guys are getting everything that has been posted and twisting it to fit your read instead of objectively analysing things in thread.
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On November 02 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:On November 02 2015 03:19 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 03:15 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be. Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too). I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato  . I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt it be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T I'm not entirely sure what the correct move is here. GB's kill would tell us about the wagons yesterday (which we don't get form Hopeless), so that we can start considering bus possibilities if GB was town? The only way lynching one of them before the other is a problem is if both of them are town. So, we should lynch whichever one will give us the best information to decide if the other one could be town. If GB is town, then we can start considering whether the team was stacked on him (with Hopeless) or if it's some crazy bus (even though we should lynch Hopeless next anyway). If Hopeless is town, then... I don't think we get very much about other from that? Lynching for information feels bad but I think it's the best tiebreaker? if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes, if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum. Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice. Wait, whey are we abandoning the H1 lynch if GB flips scum/town? I feel like we were all together on this before the Onegu flip: we lynch Onegu, Gb, and H1. Now the Onegu flip happens and everyone's freaking out. Why are we freaking out? Things are going great. I mean, yeah, vivax has turned into a suspicious motherfucker, but we have a spare lynch for him anyways. I think we got this on lockdown. On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. Yeah support for the GB wagon has been gradually shot by scum for the past few days. H1 dies no matter what, if he flips green, then we have to reconsider stuff (as in how likely is it that gb bussed vivax day 1) but I really doubt h1 WONT flip scum.
HAHAHA the game where people were acumreading me until LYLO because I was useless. GJ Vivax.
And if you really doubt hopeless won't flip scum you should be voting him since you thought I could be town a few hours ago when I made my case on gumshoe.
You're clearly mafia and it amuses me people can't see.
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On November 02 2015 03:39 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:37 Chromatically wrote:
I have to go literally right this second so I'm going to move to GB, partially because I think we get more info (sorry gumshoe I haven't thought about your recent post much yet) and partially to prevent people form switching to a stupid lynch because I won't be here other than occasional phone until deadline.
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear by your command T_T I did promise afterall ##unvote
##vote glowing bearmaaaaaybe we get lucky? Eh, whateves, I tried gb I'm sorry ) : don't hate me.
Don't be. I don't really care anymore. That's why I'm already posting things of how you guys should act tomorrow. You should lynch Vivax 100% of the times if it's lylo
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On November 02 2015 03:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:On November 02 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:On November 02 2015 03:19 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 03:15 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be. Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too). I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato . I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt it be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T I'm not entirely sure what the correct move is here. GB's kill would tell us about the wagons yesterday (which we don't get form Hopeless), so that we can start considering bus possibilities if GB was town? The only way lynching one of them before the other is a problem is if both of them are town. So, we should lynch whichever one will give us the best information to decide if the other one could be town. If GB is town, then we can start considering whether the team was stacked on him (with Hopeless) or if it's some crazy bus (even though we should lynch Hopeless next anyway). If Hopeless is town, then... I don't think we get very much about other from that? Lynching for information feels bad but I think it's the best tiebreaker? if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes, if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum. Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice. Wait, whey are we abandoning the H1 lynch if GB flips scum/town? I feel like we were all together on this before the Onegu flip: we lynch Onegu, Gb, and H1. Now the Onegu flip happens and everyone's freaking out. Why are we freaking out? Things are going great. I mean, yeah, vivax has turned into a suspicious motherfucker, but we have a spare lynch for him anyways. I think we got this on lockdown. On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. Yeah support for the GB wagon has been gradually shot by scum for the past few days. H1 dies no matter what, if he flips green, then we have to reconsider stuff (as in how likely is it that gb bussed vivax day 1) but I really doubt h1 WONT flip scum. HAHAHA the game where people were acumreading me until LYLO because I was useless. GJ Vivax. And if you really doubt hopeless won't flip scum you should be voting him since you thought I could be town a few hours ago when I made my case on gumshoe. You're clearly mafia and it amuses me people can't see. Yet knowing you were town (?) you made cases on people on your own wagon around the time of the Onegu lynch. Did the thought never occur to you that you might have been the counterwagon of mafia? No? Why not? Point made by I think Chrom around that time.
I evaluate gameplay over any other source. So if I have a play that doesn't make sense, VCA is useless to me when mafia could've bussed for whatever reasons. As mafia bussed on day1 in the very same game I was playing and you're talking about here.
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Anyway, call me lazy as much as you want, but contrary to what you're saying, I've been here giving opinion on people all the time after raging 3 or 4 times.
It should be crystal clear I'm own after I had my reads and my retraction from gumshoe.
Most of all, it is a said day when a guy with 13 pages of filter is getting lynched over a guy who has only 3. And we both are obvious scum to you all.
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Anyway, call me lazy as much as you want, but contrary to what you're saying, I've been here giving opinion on people all the time after raging 3 or 4 times.
It should be crystal clear I'm town after I had my reads and my retraction from gumshoe.
Most of all, it is a sad day when a guy with 13 pages of filter is getting lynched over a guy who has only 3. And we both are obvious scum to you all.
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:/
Hey
I was thinking about this
When Jesus died on the cross, whose fault was it? The people that killed him or his because he couldn't prove his innocence?
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It was solvable but very very difficult.
VWP BH
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On November 08 2015 07:17 Chromatically wrote:
I would really love to hear any advice on how to improve after this game. I don't think I played very well at all (especially not on D1, that was so bad).
Sorry GB, hopefully I didn't ruin this game for you or anything :/
Thank you to the hosting staff, and to all the players! I enjoyed this game a lot (other than some of the D1 drama), and the all vanilla setup was cool.
Don't worry, a lot was my fault for not being invested in this game, and not being invested in this has nothing to do with you calling me mafia.
An advice I could make is that you were confirmation biased by the meta case. Like I've said before, sometimes you twisted the facts to fit them under your scum read on me instead of analysing them objectively. If there is a place to improve, it's in there.
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On November 08 2015 07:47 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah, I definitely agree with that. I think I have a hard time objectively reevaluating things when I get into a certain mindset, and that hurt me with you and at the end with Vivax and BH.
I didn't dislike your play, tho. I kept saying you were town. So there's that.
Another thing, but that's overall, is that I'm never putting all my partners in a "want to lynch" list and keep dismissing mislynches on day1. If people had scumread Onegu and Hopeless, this basically is a flag saying I'm probably not mafia with them.
I think that's all
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On November 08 2015 07:55 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:On November 08 2015 07:17 Chromatically wrote:
I would really love to hear any advice on how to improve after this game.
When you arrive in a LYLO where it is basically obvious from the start who is getting lynched you should be really really worried. The guy who was very wrong all game when his supposed teammates looked like shit the whole time is very rarely the mafia you are looking for. Hmm yeah... Vivax seemed like classic mafia to me trying to avoid lynching his partners, but like Vivax said in the game mafia would have used their perfect information to their advantage when their partners looked so bad.
I've had a lot of problems with Vivax in this game. I can be dead wrong over nothing lol
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On November 08 2015 07:42 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 07:28 GlowingBear wrote:On November 08 2015 07:17 Chromatically wrote:
I would really love to hear any advice on how to improve after this game. I don't think I played very well at all (especially not on D1, that was so bad).
Sorry GB, hopefully I didn't ruin this game for you or anything :/
Thank you to the hosting staff, and to all the players! I enjoyed this game a lot (other than some of the D1 drama), and the all vanilla setup was cool. Don't worry, a lot was my fault for not being invested in this game, and not being invested in this has nothing to do with you calling me mafia. An advice I could make is that you were confirmation biased by the meta case. Like I've said before, sometimes you twisted the facts to fit them under your scum read on me instead of analysing them objectively. If there is a place to improve, it's in there. I think my mistake was letting you die / : I was fairly sure you were town, if I could have convinced the others maybe we might have lynched vivax instead, which might have given us a chance, but not sure how we could have swayed chrom / : and I'm not sure I personally would have ever gotten out of bh's pocket T_T
Maybe
I can also understand thinking you could be wrong and voting with your townreads
To be honest I think the mistake you took this game was agreeing to let me die before hopeless or even onegu. You could've just stay on those if you had your scumread on us three. It didn't make much sense to me voting with your townreads when both the wagons were supposedly scum to everybody. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
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On November 08 2015 08:40 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 08:37 GlowingBear wrote:On November 08 2015 07:42 gumshoe wrote:On November 08 2015 07:28 GlowingBear wrote:On November 08 2015 07:17 Chromatically wrote:
I would really love to hear any advice on how to improve after this game. I don't think I played very well at all (especially not on D1, that was so bad).
Sorry GB, hopefully I didn't ruin this game for you or anything :/
Thank you to the hosting staff, and to all the players! I enjoyed this game a lot (other than some of the D1 drama), and the all vanilla setup was cool. Don't worry, a lot was my fault for not being invested in this game, and not being invested in this has nothing to do with you calling me mafia. An advice I could make is that you were confirmation biased by the meta case. Like I've said before, sometimes you twisted the facts to fit them under your scum read on me instead of analysing them objectively. If there is a place to improve, it's in there. I think my mistake was letting you die / : I was fairly sure you were town, if I could have convinced the others maybe we might have lynched vivax instead, which might have given us a chance, but not sure how we could have swayed chrom / : and I'm not sure I personally would have ever gotten out of bh's pocket T_T Maybe I can also understand thinking you could be wrong and voting with your townreads To be honest I think the mistake you took this game was agreeing to let me die before hopeless or even onegu. You could've just stay on those if you had your scumread on us three. It didn't make much sense to me voting with your townreads when both the wagons were supposedly scum to everybody. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? wouldnt matter, I needed to prevent you from dying ever, if your on the chopping block doesnt matter when it'll happen, it'll happen. You had to be saved / : that's just one obvious thing I needed to do.
It was ok, and BH has also the merit of playing a very good scum game. Don't overthink this. I liked to play with both you and Chrom 
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On November 09 2015 02:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 08:16 Koshi wrote:
I think we should take a moment and acknowledge that every single read marv had this game was wrong. sure my bottom 3 on d1 was quite quite wrong but town still lynched 2 of my top group of townies, all of whom were town *shrug* well played BH edit: seems i get a blindspot when people scumread people i think should be clearly town. GB on Vivax, Chrome on Xatalos, to a lesser extent Slam on rayn. hmmz.
I'm pretty sure you would end up town reading me at some point, tho
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It's nice to see you playing the game, Koshi, but I'm afraid it's already over.
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