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On October 03 2015 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So from what i have gathered from N1 and D2 (partly from D1 aswell) from you rsoultin is this:
- You didn't give any fucks about coolTLname when you imo should have. I am speaking of N1 here, you even went on defending him with factually incorrect argument. (see what i did there?) It's scummy.
- The way you "look into people further" is scummy. You are under pressure, marv says GB might be mafia -> suddenly there is a case (and a vote) on GB from you while you didn't care about the things you found him scummy for earlier, at all. sl brings up the voting behavior and I start discussing it with him on D2. Rels and Shining are under questioning for that -> suddenly you come up with "now i am looking into Rels/Shining" and you come to a conclusion that Rels looks really bad and shining is town, you don't even touch this voting behavior thing at all... Hmm no, actually that is not scummy, that is super scummy.
- You do voting analysis; you miss the most easily notable thing to you. That is scummy.
That was your N1 -> D2.
I think you are mafia.
tbh i didn't actually do voting analysis, just filter reads lol
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On September 30 2015 19:59 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List Trfel (4): GlowingBear, Rels. scott31337, LightningStrike, sicklucker rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Rels marvellosity (0): rsoultin, Damdred, MoosyDoosyraynpelikoneet (1): coolTLname MoosyDoosy (0): marvellosityscott31337 (0): raynpelikoneet, sickluckerNot listing (4): The Shining, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, rsoultin Tonight, I will be banning Trfel permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
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Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
but if we want to do voting analysis, rayn, we can
if you think trfel is town and i am scum here, when he got all his votes prior to people voting for me, you have to assume either all my scum team was already voting for him and i still didn't vote for him to save myself, or that my scumteam didn't vote for him to save me
the votes from the day phase make it clear that if trfel is scum there is no possible way for me to be scum without my scumteam massively bussing me/me not saving myself
gb moved off trfel so he's unlikely to be my scum buddy
that leaves ls and sl
so literally your only POSSIBLE world can't include cool if i'm scum. it has to be ls and sl and you have to assume that i wouldn't vote to save myself as scum
^^
feel free to admit i'm town at any point lol
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On October 03 2015 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 11:54 rsoultin wrote:
okay here's my problem
like, i'm down to moosy and trfel
and moosy/gb/rels are almost never ever going to be scum with cool...sicklucker seems rather unlikely as well given even though he didn't push as much on cool as the other three, the only one left is truffle and he did push hard on him
basically, to believe in a cool = mafia world, you have to believe that he's being bussed since d1 @.@ or that his two scummates for whatever reason decided to attack each other in the middle of the day phase
it's just not very likely, is it? idk, care to explain what for example this post is if not voting analysis?
this was looking at their reads, rayn. they were all pushing cool...some more than others. if you're assuming no bussing cool can't be scum, so you have to assume there was bussing to say he is scum
or that one of my townreads not pushing cool i'm wrongly townreading...i didn't look into that as closely but i'm pretty sure those are few and far between
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On October 03 2015 21:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 19:59 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List Trfel (4): GlowingBear, Rels. scott31337, LightningStrike, sicklucker rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Rels marvellosity (0): rsoultin, Damdred, MoosyDoosyraynpelikoneet (1): coolTLname MoosyDoosy (0): marvellosityscott31337 (0): raynpelikoneet, sickluckerNot listing (4): The Shining, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, rsoultin Tonight, I will be banning Trfel permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. but if we want to do voting analysis, rayn, we can if you think trfel is town and i am scum here, when he got all his votes prior to people voting for me, you have to assume either all my scum team was already voting for him and i still didn't vote for him to save myself, or that my scumteam didn't vote for him to save me the votes from the day phase make it clear that if trfel is scum there is no possible way for me to be scum without my scumteam massively bussing me/me not saving myself gb moved off trfel so he's unlikely to be my scum buddy that leaves ls and sl so literally your only POSSIBLE world can't include cool if i'm scum. it has to be ls and sl and you have to assume that i wouldn't vote to save myself as scum ^^ feel free to admit i'm town at any point lol
sorry, this should say that if trfel is town, not scum
if we're scum together this could happen
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On October 03 2015 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
nope. it doesn't work that way when the other wagon is pushed by GlowingBear and you are pushed by marv/rayn.
explain how it doesn't?
are you just assuming that i wouldn't try to save myself as scum? or that you and marv are so magical the scum team gives up because you're pushing someone? lol ><
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why does it make sense to you that a scumteam of cool and rsoul would look for a wagon outside trfel instead of just voting for trfel? if cool is scum with me he has two good options. do what will actually keep me from being lynched: i.e. vote trfel, or buss me for credit. he did neither
you literally have to think the scum team is ls, sl and me for this to make sense, and you also literally have to think that i chose not to try to save myself by voting trfel and instead tried to build a different wagon
these are not logical things for a scum being wagoned to do
you're reads are clearly wrong somewhere, rayn
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On October 03 2015 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not going to argue with you on this because it doesn't help at all.
You are scum and i don't argue with scum.
You can read my case on N2.
no, i want you to present your logic, because i don't see how you can think this works from the viewpoint of vca?
a response like this just seems like you don't have an answer but want to cling to your scumread anyway lol ><
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#tunneledrayn2015
trfel and i are always the same alignment here
ezgameezlyfe lol
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On October 03 2015 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because anyone who is scum (when rsoultin is scum here) who voted for Trfel looks like absolute garbade if rsoultin flips. Which is quite likely in case marv/rayn are pushing her.
mm maybe, but that still doesn't explain why i didn't vote for trfel, does it?
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On October 03 2015 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So instead they most likely ignored the push (shining), or are bad (coolTLname).
only if they're stupid?
if they're that concerned about looking bad if i flip and that certain that i will flip, they should be bussing me, not ignoring me
how do you explain that shining pushed hard on cool instead? (he didn't ignore the push, either; he had a townread on me. that's not the same thing)
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On October 03 2015 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 21:49 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because anyone who is scum (when rsoultin is scum here) who voted for Trfel looks like absolute garbade if rsoultin flips. Which is quite likely in case marv/rayn are pushing her. mm maybe, but that still doesn't explain why i didn't vote for trfel, does it? huh.. because you hard townread him, so you literally can't.
i literally can?
it's as simple as "i know i'm town and trfel could be scum so i'm going to vote for him" and no one would fault me for that, rayn
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anyway, it doesn't really matter
like it should be clear that trfel and i are always the same alignment here and actually i'm kinda happy you pointed that out to me cause that makes this game easier for me
if you want to stay tunneled, that's your prerogative
my gb read may have been wrong, but i'd stated earlier that i was townreading him for what i thought was a reaction check and he later verified wasn't, plus how he dealt with marv was fucking weird
i also said this before marv said he could lynch gb
so that point is invalid. i was more concerned with rels at the time, though, cause his dropping the trfel read to come after me looked super fucking opportunistic
like everything i did comes from a town mindset cause i am town and you'll see it eventually or you won't
just calling me scum though is kinda bad form lol if you want to make a case on me and push me later that's fine but please don't fling shit at my posts in the interim so i can still play for town and prove you wrong later ^^ i'll answer real questions but the
"you're mafia"
and the sarcasm
is aggravating
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On October 03 2015 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no no, you don't even believe that yourself.
so is this
this is your warning tunneled!rayn that any statements like this in the future, sarcasm, or "you're mafia" posts will be ignored by me cause they're just bm
bring reasoning or button up ^^
-skips out of the thread-
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oh also...if we wanted to diversify this wagon to actually get something out of it i'm also down for a rels or moosy lynch...and i'm around to talk about it if anyone else is...peripherally anyway
i'm fairly certain you'll find at least two scum in
cool/rels/moosy
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On October 03 2015 22:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 22:03 rsoultin wrote:
oh also...if we wanted to diversify this wagon to actually get something out of it i'm also down for a rels or moosy lynch...and i'm around to talk about it if anyone else is...peripherally anyway
i'm fairly certain you'll find at least two scum in
cool/rels/moosy Then we agree on two out of three 
lol 'tis true ><
are you willing to vote moosy, then?
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On October 03 2015 22:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 22:48 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 22:03 rsoultin wrote:
oh also...if we wanted to diversify this wagon to actually get something out of it i'm also down for a rels or moosy lynch...and i'm around to talk about it if anyone else is...peripherally anyway
i'm fairly certain you'll find at least two scum in
cool/rels/moosy Then we agree on two out of three lol 'tis true >< are you willing to vote moosy, then? Not over cool Maybe not over shining too
mhm
i know you've probably already gone over your read on shining, but do you mind indulging me? what makes him scummier than moose who you keep fighting tooth and nail with
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On October 03 2015 23:02 Rels wrote:
Rsoultin you read the thread carefully ? I asked a question to Trfel about moosy at about the time I did that shining filter analysis; can you read it and tell me what you think ?
everything up to my reads post i read carefully...i skimmed what y'all were talking about cause text walls + 5a.m. lol >< if i'm being completely honest
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On October 03 2015 17:37 Rels wrote:OK Shining's filter at first glance seems OK. But: 1. he is focusing a lot of his posts on coolTLname, who is arleady voted by most of the town. 2. his recent townread on Moosy is weird: + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
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Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. Starting with this post, Shinig started filter diving and questioning Moosy about stuff. His read on Moosy became more and more on the scum side, culminating in these posts EON1 / start of D2: On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:20 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 06:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote:
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Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense. Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon . It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started. On October 01 2015 06:00 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List rsoultin (2): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, , Rels, scott31337, GlowingBear (2): Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (5): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosymarvellosity (0): Damdred, scott31337 (1): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sickluckerNot listing (1): rsoultin, Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
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Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting? Moosy pls Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts. Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why: On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul. This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine: On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:
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If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on. Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case. ... ...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What?? This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad. But then he threw all this progression away just there: On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. And he didn't scumread him anymore in the rest of his posts. 3. his push is Trfel is very non commital, and we don't really know what his final read is: + Show Spoiler +On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel which one of us do you believe is right? Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Questions about Trfel to rayn. On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? Question about Trfel to rsoultin. On October 03 2015 11:21 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it. The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one. Finally explaining why he is suspecting him. On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote:OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it. That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that. Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:37 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:On September 29 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now..... But I can't decide if I should push or wait..... @Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me. Since apparently I wasn't clear: I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more). Clear enough? He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things. Then dropping it I think ? The last sentence indicated he now believes Trfel is town ? It is super unclear. 4. A few excuses to him not playing the game (even if the cops' situation is probably true =X): + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:
Hi guys. I'm here, kinda. I have a ridiculous amount to catch up on so I prob won't be actively posting for a few hrs. I was at my college admissions office basically all day and I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday, anyway, so I apologize for not being around. On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote:
Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/ On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? So maybe Shining is scum. But that would mean he bused coolTLname D1, which is weird.
mmm
well he can answer for the moosy read progression i have my own opinion on that that i don't want to give him answers for
as for trfel that just looks like trying to work out his alignment? and possibly mine by probing my thoughts. i don't find that concerning at all
i'd agree about cool but he was one of the first ones looking into him so eh
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oh sorry i gotta split for a bit bbsish
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hm, except i'm town and ls is like 98% town
so marv being killed over rayn does make sense to me :/ even without any of his reads being scum
eh i'll take another look at shining tonight i think but really i think he's town...and damdy thinking he's town too makes me more confident in that read, cause damdy knows him better than i do
like maybe i'm missing something but is your main reason for scumreading moosy just his response to your saying that you'd expect a scum gb to have done what he did?
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