• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:04
CET 20:04
KST 04:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1812Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises1Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft What monitor do you use for playing Remastered? BW General Discussion (UMS) SWITCHEROO *New* /Destination Edit/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 12 Days of Starcraft Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1392 users

Season of the Witch 2 - Page 4

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 20 21 22 Next All
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 10:41 GMT
#238
On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote:
Well I'm also waiting on HtS to make an entrance, but I have to head to work soon.

I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on.

I'm not sure I like BM.

This was an odd explanation to throwing out a townread on rayn.
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 10:29 Bill Murray wrote:
well you're the first person in any game if we're both in the game that im going to try to get a read on because you usually have something important going on


I am also kinda waffling on what does that make BM.
I am pretty sure that is alignment indicatice i am just not sure into which way yet.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 11:56 GMT
#241
On September 15 2015 20:53 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote:
Well I'm also waiting on HtS to make an entrance, but I have to head to work soon.

I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on.

I'm not sure I like BM.

This was an odd explanation to throwing out a townread on rayn.
On September 15 2015 10:29 Bill Murray wrote:
well you're the first person in any game if we're both in the game that im going to try to get a read on because you usually have something important going on


I am also kinda waffling on what does that make BM.
I am pretty sure that is alignment indicatice i am just not sure into which way yet.

?? How can this be town indicative ?

geript was BM there when we were talking in TS about our strengths in games?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 12:07 GMT
#244
On September 15 2015 20:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Afternoon everyone!

Swamped at work, so just started reading the thread.
I'm town but not the martyr.


this is a really weird post.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 12:20 GMT
#249
On September 15 2015 21:10 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 20:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Afternoon everyone!

Swamped at work, so just started reading the thread.
I'm town but not the martyr.


this is a really weird post.

I find too
Like here is the timeline:
1 - HTS starts to read the thread
2 - HTS sees that rayn wants the martyr to claim
3 - HTS stops reading and says "hello, I'm no martyr"
4 - HTS resumes reading

Pretty weird time to post an "hello" post.

this
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 12:29 GMT
#256
On September 15 2015 21:25 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how it is indicative for her being anything.

If she has read like one page of the game and has never played this game i don't know how she trusts me enough to make the claim when she does (especially i derped and didn't even notice Palmar had changed the role slightly before like page 12).....
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 12:34 GMT
#262
On September 15 2015 21:33 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:25 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how it is indicative for her being anything.

If she has read like one page of the game and has never played this game i don't know how she trusts me enough to make the claim when she does (especially i derped and didn't even notice Palmar had changed the role slightly before like page 12).....


Based on your reads and your mechanics explanations, I trusted you enough that I could get a townlean on you, not that you were right about the mechanics. Those to me are two separate things. If I couldn't trust you were town, I wouldn't have said about me not being the martyr.

Okay so;
you saw me posting why the martyr should claim before you claimed you are not one right?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 12:36 GMT
#265
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.

so instead of arguing why claiming it is bad you just call me mafia when you don't even read my reasoning why the claiming is the correct play.

good job, try again.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 12:37 GMT
#267
On September 15 2015 21:36 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - Damn quotes.

No I'm not.

i meant, you read my reasoning why claiming is good before you said you are not the martyr, right?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 12:41 GMT
#273
On September 15 2015 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Martyrs are actually useful as the game progresses and Rayn knows that.

no they are not.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 13:05 GMT
#296
On September 15 2015 21:43 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:36 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - Damn quotes.

No I'm not.

i meant, you read my reasoning why claiming is good before you said you are not the martyr, right?

Yes, that and other people claiming "not martyr".

Okay so;
you read the mechanics, you read my reasoning.

When you read my reasoning why did you not notice it conflicts with the mechanics (because it does)?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 13:08 GMT
#297
On September 15 2015 22:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 22:04 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:00 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.


On September 15 2015 21:40 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs).

There are multiple people pushing you. Why are you attacking me, when I'm voting The Shining ?


On September 15 2015 16:54 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business!

On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Alright that is super scummy.
The first post looks like he doesn't know what to say.
The second post is a fucking useless question that is answered by rayn's previous post about why martyr should claim. Plus, a question is not what I call "getting down to business".


Does it look like Rels pushed you for being afk?
What makes you think this is a mafia-motivated post (the third quote)?

I am making the assumption that if you read up to the part where Vivax claimed you would have covered this section that I quoted.

That was from earlier(I had misread the thread as I only skimmed the thread after my last post from yesterday) and he was having his vote on Shining who is afk but I don't know if it's for real life reasons or not but I really don't like lurker lynches myself.

I'm not voting Shining for being AFK.
I'm not scumreading you for being AFK.

Seem like it though at the time?

What time ?
You're not making sense.
And you still don't explain why rayn should have been the one explaining the benefits of martyr not claiming D1. YOU should have been the one doing that if you didn't agree. You cannot ask a question, AFK, then come back 12 hours later and be like "Why did people listen to rayn ? Martyr hunting is a bad idea!"

Because should always see two sides of a coin in terms of benefits of claiming or not and I finding odd he didn't though.

explain the other side then.
i already did explain why there isn't one.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 13:11 GMT
#300
On September 15 2015 22:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:43 Half the Sky wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:36 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - Damn quotes.

No I'm not.

i meant, you read my reasoning why claiming is good before you said you are not the martyr, right?

Yes, that and other people claiming "not martyr".

Okay so;
you read the mechanics, you read my reasoning.

When you read my reasoning why did you not notice it conflicts with the mechanics (because it does)?


Like I said, I derped. I really have no good explanation.

fair enough.
stop derping.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 13:12 GMT
#302
On September 15 2015 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:04 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:00 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.


On September 15 2015 21:40 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs).

There are multiple people pushing you. Why are you attacking me, when I'm voting The Shining ?


On September 15 2015 16:54 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business!

On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Alright that is super scummy.
The first post looks like he doesn't know what to say.
The second post is a fucking useless question that is answered by rayn's previous post about why martyr should claim. Plus, a question is not what I call "getting down to business".


Does it look like Rels pushed you for being afk?
What makes you think this is a mafia-motivated post (the third quote)?

I am making the assumption that if you read up to the part where Vivax claimed you would have covered this section that I quoted.

That was from earlier(I had misread the thread as I only skimmed the thread after my last post from yesterday) and he was having his vote on Shining who is afk but I don't know if it's for real life reasons or not but I really don't like lurker lynches myself.

I'm not voting Shining for being AFK.
I'm not scumreading you for being AFK.

Seem like it though at the time?

What time ?
You're not making sense.
And you still don't explain why rayn should have been the one explaining the benefits of martyr not claiming D1. YOU should have been the one doing that if you didn't agree. You cannot ask a question, AFK, then come back 12 hours later and be like "Why did people listen to rayn ? Martyr hunting is a bad idea!"

Because should always see two sides of a coin in terms of benefits of claiming or not and I finding odd he didn't though.

explain the other side then.
i already did explain why there isn't one.

I already explained my side to Rels if you had taken a look between my conversation between myself and him. Martyr's can protect town leaders or the person gets the Holy Grail so it not a complete waste to have a Martyr not claim. I feel like I hitting my head on a brickwall already............

yes but your explanation does not make any sense at all.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 13:14 GMT
#304
LightningStrike do you understand the fact if martyr protects someone they are effectively a mafia rolecop.
Mafia wins when they rolecop enough people in a way or another.

Do you want to try explaining the other side of the coin again?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 13:15 GMT
#305
If you are town you might want to read the thread first.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 13:19 GMT
#310
On September 15 2015 22:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LightningStrike do you understand the fact if martyr protects someone they are effectively a mafia rolecop.
Mafia wins when they rolecop enough people in a way or another.

Do you want to try explaining the other side of the coin again?

How do they act like a rolecop if they are alive? I still not understanding that part honestly.

they don't, they act as a rolecop for mafia if they use their role.
again, read the thread.
if you make one more comment on this before reading hte thread i will make sure you get 100% lynched.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 13:35 GMT
#314
On September 15 2015 22:31 Rels wrote:
I love that I got to see mafia rayn in personality mafia. I think I would have a harder time not thinking of tinfoil mafia rayn in this game if I didn't experience the lackluster experience that is mafia rayn (=

tbh i genuinely could not play there.
and the game was shit, roles were shit, i don't even know why i replaced in....
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 13:48 GMT
#329
On September 15 2015 22:47 Half the Sky wrote:
So if you ignore Rels and Rayn (hypothetically) for just a second, who is mafia?

this is the worst pare because me and rels are literally the towniest people in this game if we do not count vivax.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 15:41 GMT
#374
I think HtS' read on geript and her peoting about her read on geript is never gonna go anywhere and it's probably the stupidest thing i have read in this game. It's incredibly easy to see where geript is coming from and this has nothing to do with either bussing anyone or agreeing with me.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 15 2015 15:49 GMT
#376
On September 16 2015 00:44 Rels wrote:
It made sense to me. geript hasn't done much beside pushing LS this game, so if she believes geript is capable of bussing this early, she has no reason to townread him.

Yeah she thinks geript is a good playr (as scum aswell) and then geript does nothing but busses his teammate. In a setup where you don't bus, because bussing is retarded when there are no flips.
makes a lot of sense....
table for two on a tv tray
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 20 21 22 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1d 17h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 530
RotterdaM 436
BRAT_OK 62
JuggernautJason62
RushiSC 51
MindelVK 32
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21307
EffOrt 658
ggaemo 227
Aegong 49
PianO 49
Hyun 48
Zeus 39
yabsab 25
SilentControl 5
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
C9.Mang0184
Counter-Strike
fl0m1295
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr67
Other Games
Grubby5592
Gorgc3085
FrodaN852
Beastyqt621
ToD295
DeMusliM156
monkeys_forever148
Mew2King103
QueenE98
NarutO 6
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 42
• naamasc239
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 38
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2917
Other Games
• imaqtpie1210
• WagamamaTV335
• Shiphtur191
Upcoming Events
OSC
1d 17h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
OSC
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
2 days
OSC
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Patches Events
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-12-29
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W2
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.