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On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote:
I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.
On September 16 2015 20:49 Vivax wrote:
This BM asimmetry of communication is rather blatant. It feels like he turns more of a blind eye towards his TR rayn than to unCCd town role Vivax, almost like he wanted to avoid discussing with rayn.
Saw this, I ran through BM's filter - posts 412, 434, there's a few points where he discusses that - actually the contrast for TT/Rels is discussed in 412. Unless you missed that post entirely and that's what you meant, but I am reading post 412 and I'm not seeing how that post is scum-indicative for BM. Maybe tonewise he seemed a bit confrontational on how you read it, but it sounds like meta or his experience playing with you. Nothing jumped out at me as unusual/scummy for him.
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I'm on the latter part of Tictock's filter and honestly finding his filter direction tenuous in general - I'm assuming he's scumreading Fidei for finding the push on LS suspicious but I thought he stressed part of that reason for scumming Tictock was that the read felt a little "safe" in that other people already were doing it. I didn't see Fidei's read as being unreasonable.
Also from about the second half of his filter (from posts 583 to about 609) I am having trouble telling whether he's trying to scumread rayn or just try and understand what he's saying. I know rayn somewhere in there tried to clarify a sequence of events but regardless I'm still pretty unclear where Tictock is going after post 609, the conclusion is really unclear as to where he stands on rayn if he's clarified where his townread on geript is coming from.
Also noticed when he asked Dandel how he'd describe his posting and didn't follow up with his response (Dandel had replied "conscious" or something) - not sure if he missed that or just ignored it.
But lack of direction on that end warrants a scumlean. Also not understanding why he finds the Fidei read poor which is easy to trace if you look at the back and forth in his filter.
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Almost 5am. The whole Damdred/Shining meta thing will have to wait until the afternoon but still not liking him regardless. My head is spinning figuratively and literally.
As it stands him and Dandel are the top lynches for me.
I'm going to grail Fecalfeast, unless I'm misunderstanding the mechanics. As I understand it
1 I should not grail people who could get N1ed (i.e. Rels/Rayn)
2 I shouldn't grail the claimed martyr (Vivax) - or does this not matter?
Going to bed. Will be in and out through the afternoon going through stuff, probably will still be on the mend. Damn me.
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I'm here - catching up.
On September 17 2015 22:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I checked Ticktock's filter. Got him null still my main thing that bothers me is his unnatural read progression regarding me. First he called me scum than later he said I was town for some of my reactions yet it doesn't seem natural. His mind seem to change a lot with thread sentiment.
Can you elaborate on this? Namely, can you highlight or give the page/reference (top right hand corner) numbers?
And also more critically WHAT isn't natural.
What situation did Tictock present that wouldn't make any sense for him to change his read?
And if you are saying his mind changes "a lot" you need to give more examples or show how he just tries to blend in with more people. I found his filter tenuous in the wee hours but this is an entirely different issue you raise that I did not catch on to.
Plus you also need to demonstrate a lack of evidence or a lack of reason for Tictock changing his read. As it stands, I don't particularly like this post.
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On September 17 2015 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 22:08 Rels wrote:On September 17 2015 22:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I checked Ticktock's filter. Got him null still my main thing that bothers me is his unnatural read progression regarding me. First he called me scum than later he said I was town for some of my reactions yet it doesn't seem natural. His mind seem to change a lot with thread sentiment. how is it different from everybody's else reactions ? (mine, HTS, rayn at the time, etc.) He only changed with the thread sentiment O_o HTS maybe done the same thing but rayn's read progression was more natural though although he changed his read on me because apparently I reroute shit when some of the questions asked me to explain further which looks like it's rerouting -.-
Alright, so you explained this part about rayn - just saw this now, but now demonstrate how Tictock fails to do this. That's the part I'm not getting.
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I'm good with the plan to check and not lynch Damdred. Dandel Ion especially after Rels' case would be my top lynch right now.
Need to re-read LS's filter in total though and the case against BM and weigh those two. Off the cuff though right now, I'd still lynch Dandel over those two.
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On September 17 2015 22:18 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 12:25 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm on the latter part of Tictock's filter and honestly finding his filter direction tenuous in general - I'm assuming he's scumreading Fidei for finding the push on LS suspicious but I thought he stressed part of that reason for scumming Tictock was that the read felt a little "safe" in that other people already were doing it. I didn't see Fidei's read as being unreasonable. Sorta right, I'm not too concerned with Fidei scum reading me kus of my rather flippant post/read on LS at that point. I thought it was odd that he looked at the LS push and went looking for scum pushing LS, also the answers he gave me as to why he thought this were rather poor imo. So I'm scumreading him for looking for easy excuses to call people scum.
Alright, I certainly don't think you are scum for this, but we might have to agree to disagree. Fidei actually stated a justification for why pushing LS could be scummy - namely his playstyle makes him an easy mislynch candidate - and he looked for people that didn't seem to have a solid enough reasoning and/or engagement with LS. I see nothing weak or unusual with this reasoning. Could he be wrong on you? Sure. Does it make him scummy? I don't think so.
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Digging hard through Damdred's filter right now. There's one post that he said lines up (and in turn makes Fecalfeast look either worse or lazy town, not sure atm) -
....but I'm having a tenuous time with the reasoning for him thinking LS may be scum.
Taking a harder look at Damdred.
On September 17 2015 10:46 Damdred wrote:
I can't help it, part of me loves the negative attention. And part of me withers under it.
Shining will not disagree with me, and you aren't understanding the read at all. Which is bunk at this point anyway, but shining is extremely emotionally driven even his long posts in games are emotional at points as town and you can feel the I gotcha, frustration happiness etc.
However in his scum games he is extremely dry and can't replicate the tone or feeling that he normally does as town. His early posts really fit into his scum meta while his past few posts totally destory the meta read.
Even if it makes me have no scum reads idgaf shinny is town to me now.
On September 18 2015 02:54 Damdred wrote:
Oh shove it up your ass ff.
Calling my change on shining a flip flop is totally bullshit at best. SHINING should agree with me that my meta read is correct on him in the regard I said it.
He did things that fit with his town meta that he can't fake as scum so I read him town. So no its not a flip flop its a re evaluation so you calling it a flip flop is bullshit and just trying to influence people to look at me in a more negative light.
Ugh. Alright, went back through Damdred's/Shining's filter and I can see where this is coming from with respect to the posts Shining made. Per timestamps the Shining therapy post was after the intial scumread and then there was a 3 hour gap where the re-evaluation took place. So this at least flows.
On September 18 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote:
The big thing that makes me doubt him is the way he's handling the situation with me saying id be ok with deadline voting ls and never doing so btw. The problem is that he is totally leaving context out of what he's saying in that I never called him scum but he was heavily hinting he could be martyr and my comment followed after rayns comment about pressuring him near start of the game.
This is the part I'm not understanding. Unless I'm having another derp moment. I thought Damdred had said "I'm fine with a deadline vote on LS" and I took that to mean that could be a scumread. I'm having trouble how he could get a scum LS read or partial read out of this. Can you clarify?
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Fidei/James's inactivity is NAI to me, yes I have OGI, if you don't trust it, I understand, I realise you don't know him quite as well, but if people have reasoning to hate what he has actually HAS posted (like Tictock actually does, though I disagreed with that reasoning), then that's another story.
Not to mention he's hardly posting in the other game he is currently in.
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LS - I'm honestly torn. I need extra time to flesh him out based on what I know about him but I can't do that if he's not around.
EoD is in 90 mins, right?
LS is in university, if he has class, he's not going to be home in time. That's NAI.
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On September 18 2015 05:25 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
@geript I just haven't had a lot of time over the past couple of days. *shrug* no offence to Palmar, but I didn't sign up for this game, and if I had had time it would have been spent filter diving in Newbie XIV where we're near LyLo. I've junked a work event early to come home now, and I'll post some more detailed thoughts. Sure. I get that. That still makes you a fucking fantastic cop check. 1000% IMO the best cop check because there's very little to read you off of AND you're outside your established meta.
To make sure I'm not biased here - what did he actually post that came off as scummy to you?
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Is he outside of meta because of his inactivity or because of something he actually posted? that is what I'm really asking.
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Honestly I am grappling more with Damdred and Fecalfeast to a lesser extent (yes I know I have a grail vote on him now but that will change when I go through some things) I'd rather they be checked, but...
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On September 18 2015 05:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 05:26 geript wrote:On September 18 2015 05:25 Rels wrote:On September 18 2015 05:23 geript wrote:
Also, Damdred only giving 2 "obvious townreads" meh. The count and amount and who on aren't that important. Maybe for you but every I played / obsed with him he started by getting townreads, then poeing his way to scumread. I understand this is meta so it is unreliable, but I m not townreading him. That's fine. But it's really hard to townread LS ehre and there are multiple reasons to think he's scummy. So do you vote a null read over a scum read? No that's why I'm voting dandel ffs. Did you read my case ? I'm super unsure about damdred + he is a strong player, that's why II think he s the best check.
Not to mention Damdred has fooled me pretty hard as mafia, but that's partially a fear thing on my end.
ugh....fuck....Gaiden....that game still hurts...
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On September 18 2015 05:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
hts is there anything I can address or is it my laziness that's got you?
It was something you said in response to Damdred. About the flip flopping of his read on Shining. I read both his posts and his change in reads plus where Shining talked about his therapy/anger management, and there was enough of a time lapse between those phrases where the reasoning for his change in read made sense. I was going to check your filter to see the context of what you said, because what he said about his change in read made sense once you checked for context in both his and Shining's filters.
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On September 18 2015 05:37 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:On September 18 2015 05:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
hts is there anything I can address or is it my laziness that's got you? It was something you said in response to Damdred. About the flip flopping of his read on Shining. I read both his posts and his change in reads plus where Shining talked about his therapy/anger management, and there was enough of a time lapse between those phrases where the reasoning for his change in read made sense. I was going to check your filter to see the context of what you said, because what he said about his change in read made sense once you checked for context in both his and Shining's filters. I did not check both his and shining's filters for context, it was a hasty remark for sure.
Does that change your opinion of Damdred at all? You had Damdred on a lynch list.
On September 18 2015 02:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred has multiple times said he will provide content and has yet to deliver save for a flip-flop on his shining read
And he provided a read on LS who is proving contentious. Your thoughts?
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On September 18 2015 05:42 Fidei86 wrote:
I think LS just made a mistake on the setup, honestly. It's hardly a cardinal sin...
Yeah that part, he's been having trouble grasping the mechanics I can tell. Shit I'm also having trouble with mechs as well.
If LS is mafia it's not for that. I'm more interested in his agenda and fleshing it out. People who don't know how LS processes things in games are going to misconstrue/easily mislynch him. So I feel it's important to flesh out his reads and his direction. That's how I think I can get a scum LS.
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On September 18 2015 05:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 05:40 geript wrote:On September 18 2015 05:36 Rels wrote:On September 17 2015 05:27 LightningStrike wrote:On September 17 2015 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 LightningStrike wrote:
I here and got out of class early and I been trying to answer people's concerns straight up to the best of my ability rayn. Plus I take you over Vivax because I can't remember much of Vivax other than he's the Martyr because no one cced him. We don't want him to have it because if he dies when he got it than we lose it for the rest of the game I think if I read the op correctly. okay. if you are sure i am town and you are right why would i not die? Angel save assuming Vivax dies from the soup. Also I just checked the op about the timing of the lynch and it's 72 hour days so tomorrow is the deadline so that is a relief for me so I can be here tomorrow at deadline  Here it is So how do you get a townread out this post exactly? Please geript its hard to keep up in phone  I was quoting that to show Hts that ls absence was not nai but scum indicative
Alright. I see where you are going with that. It would fall in line with if he's not around, he doesn't have to worry about trying to lie. Because we know he has difficulty lying. I can accept that argument.
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On September 18 2015 05:48 Fidei86 wrote:
@HTS why are you voting for Vivax for the grail? I was thinking that he's a good bet because (1) he's most likely town, being unCCed (barring some kind of rayn-like fake claim, which is too tin foil at this stage to consider) and (2) he hasn't been as active as other people, so he's not exactly a great NK target. What do you think? I think another good target would be someone super active and super townie, like rayn or Rels, but the risk of putting it on mafia makes me wary of anyone else..
If you aren't sure of geript, then go Vivax. The key thing is to make sure it goes to town. #1 is basically it.
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