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raynpelikoneet
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On September 15 2015 17:08 Rels wrote: 2 - his claim will be harder to prove. If he claims D1 we can 100% believe him if no counter claim this is the reason why the claim should come right away. we get a confirmed town right away and do not waste time reading their alignment. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 15 2015 17:10 Rels wrote: but if he doesn't claim, he's going to protect N1, so it doesn't matter actually no, again, never use the role because YOU ARE A MAFIA ROLECOP!!!! ffs | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:11 Rels wrote: what do you think of my post on TS ? i don't know yet. It makes sense i just don't know if it makes him mafia. | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:13 Rels wrote: it is in case he doesn't claim. In this case, he SHOULD protect 'cause his claim is not going to be believed in later days I 100% agree he should claim NONONONONO! If yo uuse the martyr role all it does is one dead townie (which would be anyways), town learns nothing (saying you can crumb who you save is fucking bullshit because you cannot do that), mafia gets a free rolecheck. It's literally an anti-town role when used!!!! | ||
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actually yes this is the correct play. i am soon gonna write something and then i hope that shit is not gonna be talked about anymore. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Last time i played this game this is what happened. On D1 we lynched the cop because they were retarded and didn't play at all. Later on in the angel QT his response was "what's the point of being a cop when you can't claim" which was even more retarded. Not only did he get himself lynched as a cop, he also gave away the acolyte role to mafia because there was this dude who was hard defending them for not a single reason... well other than knowing who the cop is lol. Before the lynch we had another role-claim from a scummy person. He claimed an uncounterclaimable role and technically that was the correct play. But he gave away another role to mafia. On D2 i found two mafia. I told everyone to just fucking shut up and insta-lynch this guy, and then say nothing and insta-lynch that guy. Obviously people didn't listen to me (yes, in certain situations the correct play in this setup is just to shut up and lynch the mafia so dumb people don't give anything away). Another townie gave away he is one of two roles left in the game to mafia. We lynched scum. On N2, mafia souped someone, only one person, then they "tried to soup" one of their own - giving away the already almost confirmed mafia to buy town credit to the other mafia left (because they just needed time to figure out maybe 1 or 2 more roles). Obviously the last scum got townread for that. On D3 we lynched another mafia. On N3 mafia killed a townie whose role was oracle. Because people had given away enough roles this flip - to mafia, gave away every single role from town except for 2 of them. On D4 i wantedd people to massclaim. That would have fucking won the game because mafia could not claim something they would have wanted to (as they fucked up a bit in the "self-soup"). I was one of the roles mafia did not know yet (still, lynching a townie gives mafia 50% chance of winning here - in a fucking 7-1 situation). Instead of following the claim plan the retarded town decided i have to be mafia because i want people to claim. They lynched me. Last mafia souped 6 people and it was ggnore. The point is the following: - never hint your role. never. even if the cop is getting lynched and you are the acolyte do not fucking save him by hinting your role. - do not claim unless someone who knows what they are doing tells you to. apparently geript doesn't know how to play this shit so that someone would be either me or Damdred. noone else. - martyr claim. please. right now. - Mafia wins this game by figuring out roles even if we lynch mafia 66% of the time. Yes, that is fucking true. Do not hint your role, ever. Do not give anything away. Do not talk about the setup or ask what is preferred for what role. Just play and try find mafia. - mafia gets the roles of their night kills, town doesn't. That gives mafia a huge information advantage the further the game goes on. That's why the martyr should claim. Because if mafia kills the claimed martyr they remove the most useless role in the game AND they do not learn anything the town does not know (and the town KNOWS THAT). That is the key point in this game, do not give mafia too much information and do not let mafia too far in this game. - that is also why you cannot hide behind your role. claiming doesn't save you. in fact in certain situations it's better to lynch the uncc'd townie than to try lynch mafia (assuming town doesn't really know who is mafia). yes it really is. Because otherwise you give too much away. - and the above is why we WILL lynch lurkers. lurking is not an option in this game. it is not allowed. I hope you people actually read this post and understand what i am saying. Because every single word is true. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Please never use your role. If you do that it STILL loses us one townie (you) and it gives away another role for mafia (their night kill target). It does not matter who mafia kills, do not use your role. Also you are good enough to solve the game anyways. | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:57 Vivax wrote: Now let's talk about who can be mafia of those who posted. I'm at something like FF/geript/BM and some dudes in the good list of shitty dudes that me and Rels posted. Not enough people being townie enough yet. Also I'd ask that we extend this day to the max since I'm getting souped next night. ofc we will have 72h day. IML is not an option here. I seriously believe LS is mafia. His question to me makes absolutely no sense unless: 1) he is the martyr (which he isn't) 2) he is mafia and doesn't really know how to respond to me saying the martyr should claim It just does not make any sense for him to take part of that discussion in case he is town and not the martyr. | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:58 Rels wrote: Cool =D I actually thought that, it made sense that you only thought about the potential of your role without thinking people would not believe you mmm like this is why you should not speculate the setup, even if you believed i am wrong.  i was on the same track with this ^^ now think what mafia can do when they already know who is mafia in case they play properly and people do this shit? | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:03 Rels wrote: You're saying here that LS tried to participate in something he shouldn't. I agree. But there is more. The question he asked was answered 3 MINUTES before he posted it. yes i know, that's why i think he should not participate in the discussion the way he did. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Like in the last game played here the cop (i think it was Damdred?) claimed a red check on ritoky on some day. I had to use fucking 24 hours to convince the town he is in fact the cop instead of ritoky because ritoky's claim looked "clean" and Damdred just said "ritoky is red". Not to even mention a lot of townies were dumb enough not to notice Damdred had to be the cop because he called me mafia on D1 and suddenly when D2 begins he has a town read on me (lol at mafia for missing that). People don't think, but here, what LS does, it's not about that. It's about the way he presents his question that doesn't make any sense at all. | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:20 Vivax wrote: Witches select a witch kill and soup kill me but I martyr anyway for the witch kill and there's not really a roleblock I know of as long as no witch died. mafia cannot soap AND night kill. It's either or. | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:22 Vivax wrote: He omgused me before finishing to read the thread and noticing I'm confirmed until proven otherwise. I am not sure why that would make him town. He would do the same thing if he was mafia and did not care. And not caring honestly points more towards being mafia than town. | ||
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Rels i think is town if that wasn't obvious already. I am a bit torn on Damdred but i kinda think he is town here. | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:38 Vivax wrote: Idk his role related shenannies can be faked. He was in SOTW 1 and probably knows what to do better than the rest. I think you're giving him too much credit here. I am reading him town for his read on LS because it's super good. | ||
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