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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 14:35 GMT
#346
Yes, it is, but I also can't realistically see a geript of either alignment trying to protect what LS did or being able to without much scrutiny. Because that entrance was pretty bad.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 14:36 GMT
#347
Ehhhhh, he deflected other people's reads of his other teammates though. Hmmmm.

In any case I need to see more tbh.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 22:56 GMT
#482
Back briefly before I go to bed.

I see Fidei was catching up as of an hour ago, and he posted in the other thread. He's never played as mafia, and I know he told me sometime back he would likely struggle with it if he rolled it. The longer he goes without posting makes me wonder if he's actually gone red this go.

On September 16 2015 04:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:
I'm here. Post will probably be sloppy because I'm writing as I'm catching up.

On September 15 2015 18:34 Rels wrote:
Going to grab some lunch so I'll be AFK until later. Here is my brain right now:

Town
rayn
Vivax
TT

Maybe town
Damdred
geript

Null
FF
HTS
fidei
BM

Maybe scum
Dandel Ion

Scum
The Shining
LS

See you all later (=


This post is so easy to make.

[...]

Dandel Ion keeps posting here and there but doesn't seem to do much of anything. Says lynch Rels for what exactly? Can't see anything other than OMGUS.



On September 16 2015 04:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
##Vote The Shining


Also saw this and noticed this post came in at the same time (timestamp) as the vote.

So why is this post scummy? Or are you in troll mode still?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 23:08 GMT
#483
Shining looks better based on his re-entry and LS's responses to me (particularly the reads) also make him look a little better.

There is one thing I noticed in his filter though. LS could you answer this?

On September 16 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LightningStrike do you have any other scumreads than geript?

Damdred he only made like 2-3 posts and 1 is him saying I could be mafia without any explanation at all which is so unlike him at all when he's town. Rels could be town but Ticktock null I need to reread his filter when I get home. Rayn I think your town I was just being a jackass earlier regarding you I'm sorry what can I do to make up for it?


"Rels could be town"

I know I told you to ignore Rels before but given how Rels is nearly universally townread, given your wording what is giving you pause about Rels?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 23:16 GMT
#486
Bill Murray's filter also warrants a townlean.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 23:18 GMT
#487
On September 16 2015 08:16 Damdred wrote:
I know one player who is scum


Who? Any other reads along with that?

If you are town, of those scumreading you, who do you think is scum?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 23:24 GMT
#489
On September 16 2015 06:19 Tictock wrote:
Ok caught up.

Pretty ok with BM and LS now.

Overall liked the responses LS gave to people pushing him and most of his reads are decent.

BM for poking and prodding and his reads remind me a little of his game in NSM X? XI? where he gave a brief flurry of activity before afking until mislynched.

Lol at people reading me scum for "getting townreads then dissapearing" no way did I disappear kus of RL, such as leaving for work as I mentioned in a post.

Oh and leaning town on HtS pretty hard.


I noticed you don't have any scumreads - the bolded was related to what FF said about you. Are you scumreading him now?
If not, where do you stand on him?


The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 23:26 GMT
#490
On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote:
Well I'm also waiting on HtS to make an entrance, but I have to head to work soon.

I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on.

I'm not sure I like BM.

This was an odd explanation to throwing out a townread on rayn.
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 10:29 Bill Murray wrote:
well you're the first person in any game if we're both in the game that im going to try to get a read on because you usually have something important going on



so followed up on BM/LS, but what about Shining?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 23:27 GMT
#491
On September 16 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I'm like 95% sure that my bro shining is scrum he was the first filter I looked at. He is just so... emotionless to a point and he barely reacts to the thread to a point with pretty posts that seem to be structured.


He explained he's not a fan of playing much D1. Did that factor into your scumread or are you just not buying that explanation period?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 23:28 GMT
#493
It's well after midnight, so I am taking off for the night.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 16 2015 14:42 GMT
#617
Heads up. I am actually really sick today and left work early.

Going to rest up most of today and will catch up on everything (including the questions aimed at me) tonight.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 17 2015 01:14 GMT
#711
I'm here.

Cannot sleep at all. To be blunt, I'm dealing with food poisoning and also other real life issues I'd rather not discuss in thread.
Zero chance I'm going to work in the morning so I'll be up late tonight if anyone has questions (other than the ones already posed to me).

Catching up from page 26.

First - James' (Fidei's) list post.

No problem with it here - I think it's towny, and it is in line with what I would expect from a town James. I personally disagree with the read on Rels, I think he's asking LS and such a lot of questions, but I do not believe he's played with LS. Considering he's using Personality (where everyone roleplayed) as a metric though, I can see why the read is off, and it would not appear mafia motivated, at least in my eyes.

Second, Shining, addressing your question to me. I did not scumread you for activity. I agreed with Rels on how he was reading you on the phrasing of your two posts. When I said they were the only two I should have been clearer - they were scummy posts and there were no additional posts that indicated you were towny, which is different from saying "Shining is scummy because he's inactive." Hopefully that makes a little more sense.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 17 2015 01:20 GMT
#712
On September 16 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:
On September 16 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I'm like 95% sure that my bro shining is scrum he was the first filter I looked at. He is just so... emotionless to a point and he barely reacts to the thread to a point with pretty posts that seem to be structured.


He explained he's not a fan of playing much D1. Did that factor into your scumread or are you just not buying that explanation period?


I've played with shining in a total of probably 60-90 games total. We have played a lot together multiple places.

I know he hates playing early, but he can't hide emotional things as town he explodes at points or he gets super excited but it's missing here.

When he's scum he's structured and he's less train of thought and he shrinks his posts into huge posts.

Town he just comments as he catches up.

I just think it's his scum meta


My first impression of this post is weak at best. I see this post and I think of Newbie LX where he had wall of texts (particularly in lylo - that stuck out to me) and in Student V he played a very lurky game. In Witchcraft 3 I think he had a mix of both if I recall right. This is off the cuff, but in any case, I think this is a poor post particularly without examples. This would warrant an initial scumlean.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 17 2015 01:36 GMT
#714
Still working on the thread, page 29.

A little after 2:30am now....I'm thinking I'll be on probably til 4am maybe 4:30 my time depending on how I hold up.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 17 2015 01:38 GMT
#715
On September 16 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 18:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
James is another candidate for mafia imo.
I think he is not thinking the game properly. Like the post about LS and people's reads on him (mainly my and geript's) shows that he is not processing the information properly.

I agree his analysis of the LS' push is bad. But think about his point of view: he wasn't here when people started suspecting LS' first posts. He saw LS' genuine posts and lots of people pushing LS.
Outside of this and his TT's read, I agreed with all of this post. And even what I didn't agree with was super logical


100%

Although I agree with rayn on why Tictock is asking about Vivax the claimed martyr. That read weird to me as well.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 17 2015 01:39 GMT
#716
On September 17 2015 10:23 The Shining wrote:
Ew. Sorry HtS, feel better.


And thanks. Not great at the moment but definitely better than I was a few hours ago.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 17 2015 01:52 GMT
#718
On September 16 2015 18:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 17:11 Tictock wrote:
On September 16 2015 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
damdred is town


What makes you so sure?

dunno how good his meta shit is (but geript disagreed so it's probably solid) but he knows about the shine, which is more than i can say about anybody else this game.


On September 16 2015 18:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
not even trolling tho
absolutely 100% no idea why ppl keep saying that


This is what I understand geript to have said -

On September 16 2015 10:49 geript wrote:
I don't get Damdred's case. But shining is in an odd middle ground between his town meta and scum meta.


On September 16 2015 12:27 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote:
why?

Mix of things. He's quoting stuff, but it's not how i remember him consciously quoting and leading off of it. What he says doesn't come off as "smart" to me when most of the things he says usually are pretty solid when he's town. But he's also more active than he has been as scum.


So if your first post was serious why are you trusting the read when you don't know how good his meta shit is?

Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to communicate (in the bolded)?

Particularly when Shining had a very sharp (IMO) reaction to how Damdred scumread him on page 26. What do you make of that then?

If you are being serious and I am understanding you correctly, then I have no idea how you are townreading Damdred.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 17 2015 01:57 GMT
#719
For future reference - at least this is something I can work with/verify the way it's phrased. Offhand I recall Student V but will need to resort to the database to check the other games. Not recalling much other than what I stated atm.

On September 17 2015 10:46 Damdred wrote:
I can't help it, part of me loves the negative attention. And part of me withers under it.

Shining will not disagree with me, and you aren't understanding the read at all. Which is bunk at this point anyway, but shining is extremely emotionally driven even his long posts in games are emotional at points as town and you can feel the I gotcha, frustration happiness etc.

However in his scum games he is extremely dry and can't replicate the tone or feeling that he normally does as town. His early posts really fit into his scum meta while his past few posts totally destory the meta read.

Even if it makes me have no scum reads idgaf shinny is town to me now.


Do you have any town/scum tells of some of the other contested players at the moment? Fidei? Tictock?
Even myself as geript/rayn seem unsure on me.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 17 2015 01:58 GMT
#720
EBWOP - or even geript for that matter
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 17 2015 02:14 GMT
#721
On September 16 2015 20:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 16:44 Rels wrote:
OK LS. I will try to explain what I think so we can understand each other this time. Everybody seems to have drop the scumread on you, and I understand. Your posts really show anger at being scumread, then free of mind where you're not anymore.
Please, if you're town, read carefully what others are saying, 'cause it's super frustrating to not be understood. I'll ask you two questions that need elaboration to answer, so take the time to do this right.

1. You said to HTS "some of the posts" you did this game were posts you would never make as scum. Can you show me a few example and explain to me why you wouldn't post that as scum ?

2. Your geript scumread is interesting, 'cause of the following: my reason for townreading geript was that I thought you were scum, and I didn't think geript would bus this early in the game. Now obviously if you're town, this push on you isn't alignment indicative anymore.
What you are saying is that geript lied to explain his vote on you. You're saying this is a lie:
On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question.

Can you prove this is a lie ? For example, you talked about a game where you didn't do this. Was geript in this game or obsing this game ?

1. I was mainly asking HTS if she thinks I can any of the posts as scum instead of town since me and her actually been playing together since November of last year so she got lots of experience with playing with me.

2. Geript wasn't in that game nor obsing that game(Carol of the Bells Mafia) but in that game I actually went away from following the town leader at the time GlowingBear and pushed for my own lynch of Tubesock because I tohught Tubesock scum slipped about the amount of scum in the setup lol.


So LS, to answer your question there, you played VERY close to your town meta in JOAT, and you had me and even rsoultin totally fooled. You also were not doing too badly/too far off that in TL LXX (Guardians of the Galaxy) until you got hit by the tracker. You obviously had a much weaker scum game in Witchcraft 3, so I decided (as you can see in the post I made to you about how Rels read you) to try and flesh out your thinking with the three points (articulation/current scum meta/town capability) I had in mind. I think with the games I do have under my belt with you, it's probably the best way I can get a handle on you. Once you started providing the reads you did, along with the responses to some of the other questions others were asking, I felt you were probably town.
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