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I have a 5 minutes break between meetings so I want to use that time to say something that seems obvious to me, but better safe than sorry
If you are the inquisitor and have a red check on someone, you should claim it
If the claim is believable and there is no counter claim, here is what we'll do in that scenario:
- we will keep our mouth shut so we don't give any infos and we will IML the red check
- the last mafia cannot YOLO soup everybody as we didn't talk a lot about roles
- tomorrow we will mass claim to look for the last mafia
- as this situation is almost unwinnable for the last mafia, he will probably try a YOLO soup everybody and have a big chance of failing
TLDR YOU SHOULD CLAIM IF YOU HAVE RED CHECK. If there is no claim, we can assume inquisitor is either dead and has a green check
No meeting this afternoon so I'll be more active then. I still want to check if TT's play is as similar to last game as I think it is
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On September 23 2015 17:03 Fidei86 wrote:
I was a bit carried away last night, but I'm presuming that Vivax as the uncc'ed martyr with no soup kill yet is pretty much confirmed, meaning that Rayn is also confirmed town. Certainly narrows the pool a fair bit.
any other reads that are not obvious ?
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EBWOP:
On September 23 2015 18:32 Rels wrote:
TLDR YOU SHOULD CLAIM IF YOU HAVE RED CHECK. If there is no claim, we can assume inquisitor is either dead OR* has a green check
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OK I reread TT's filter from the last game to see where my feeling of him playing similarly came from.
For info, I'm talking about the new personality mafia, where TT was town.
Last game, TT had moments when he thought about hypothesis that didn't make sense and posted them anyway. I think it is townie 'cause is shows a lack of fear of being judged for his thoughts.
The best example from last game (and the post for which I thought he was scum for 24 hours in the obs QT) is this one:
On August 31 2015 09:11 Tictock wrote:
Shit, well least I know I had a solid read on KSC most of the game.
Ok, so based on what we now know regarding the day 2 lynch I find it super unlikely that there was any mafia on the rayn lynch.
JJ effectively preserved the wagon when KSC and rels switched off rayn and has been pretty towny all game.
I could probably tinfoil damdred and fidei being the last 2 mafia alive, but... Meh. Only paranoid thoughts and the notion that Damdred is totally willing to buss keep this thought alive, by and large these 2 have been contributing and helping to push the game forward.
So this leaves:
Obi
Rit
Geript
Now whats odd is that both geript and rit have had greenchecks on them, but something tells me that Obi flipping will not end the game. Rels was also fairly adiment about rit being mafia even though he said he had a green check on him.
I wonder why that is...
Personally I feel like I want to look at Rit and geript in greater depth today.
Also, what do we think... 2 mafia left or 1 ?
If theres 2 left I have a hard time seeing anyone on a team with Obi.
For context: Damdred has been checked 3P by a flipped cop (me), and fidei had claimed watcher with checks that matched what another townie did. So Damdred was confirmed 3P and fidei was confirmed watcher. This sentence:
I could probably tinfoil damdred and fidei being the last 2 mafia alive, but... Meh. Only paranoid thoughts and the notion that Damdred is totally willing to buss keep this thought alive, by and large these 2 have been contributing and helping to push the game forward.
is just him thinking with a loud voice.
Now in this current game he also had several posts where he is suspicious of confirmed or unanimously townread townies:On September 15 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote:
Geript how sure are you on your read on LS?
Obv it's still early, I just wanna know how strongly you feel about it.
And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read?
Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read....
On September 16 2015 17:58 Tictock wrote:I'm leaning town on FF. His earlier assessment of Damdred made a lot of sense to me, plus the way he interacted with Vivax seemed townie to me. He's still somewhat null but I see some similarities to what I saw him so as town in both Personality and Cannons. Actually speaking of Vivax, where has he run off to?
On September 16 2015 18:07 Tictock wrote:
Rayn I'm not playing to please you.
I post what I think.
Writing that post reminded me that Vivax has been pretty absent since after he claimed. So I mentioned him.
Maybe talking about him will bring him back and get him playing. Who knows.
And even in his recent post he showed he was capable of re evaluating:
On September 23 2015 13:00 Tictock wrote:
Ok so here is where I am at
raynpelikoneet
Fecalfeast
Bill Murray
Tictock
Vivax
Rels
Half the Sky
LightningStrike
Fidei86
Like FF I'm thinking the no-soup is a play for WIFOM to keep us looking at LS as well as Damdred claiming the redcheck. There is still the possibility that LS is mafia but only in the world where he and Damdred hard bus each other. So despite the issues I had with LS's claim I think we have to assume LS is town.
So the last 2 mafia have to be within these players.
Fecalfeast
Bill Murray
Tictock
Rels
Half the Sky
Fidei86
I know I'm not mafia, and the only world where I can see Rels possibly be mafia is if LS is mafia.
So that leaves me with these players to re look at.
Fecalfeast
Bill Murray
Half the Sky
Fidei86
I mean, saying "Rels might be scum if LS is scum" or putting HTS in a list of "players to re evaluate" is asking to be lynched if he's mafia.
SO
I think his aptitude of re evaluating constantly and questionning everybody, even universally townread people, is a town trait.
NOW
He could know this and be mafia playing around this. After all, he was lynched because of this attitude in the last game ... two times in a row p: the first time he had to use his ability to change the vote result, but he was lynched all the same at the next day at MYLO.
Plus, I found a few things that were weird in his filter.
Last game he didn't really care about getting lynched. One of his last posts before the game ended:
On September 04 2015 14:43 Tictock wrote:
Geript is obviously the person to listen to here, I mean he's been so right all game.
Just lynch me and get this over with.
Now in this game he seems more concerned about him getting lynched:
On September 23 2015 08:55 Tictock wrote:
Welp about to go back to work.
I know rayn and a few others are were pretty convinced I am scum, so lets see those cases.
On September 23 2015 14:14 Tictock wrote:
And don't forget those cases on me.
I wanna see em
Plus, this post might be TMI on Damdred:
On September 17 2015 22:45 Tictock wrote:Rels what do you make of Damdred wanting to give FF the grail? Having a hard time deciding this one. I'm not sure I really care to try and make a case for myself getting it, nor do I think I have a chance at convincing enough people. So only option for me seems to be finding someone else to take it. This also reminded me that I didn't like this post very much Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 09:42 The Shining wrote:
So Damdred comes back with more nothing, while WIFOMing his alignment in not one but two games. Bro, I hate you right now. W.e I'm done, see you guys at deadline.
Don't really care who gets the grail, either. Give it to whoever will be nkd n1 so this slow game can end fast.
Plus, at some point he retracted his townread of BM, but was surprised at Vivax scumreading him 3 minutes later:
On September 17 2015 22:33 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 06:57 Bill Murray wrote:
god i thought i made it right before deadline but we have a whole day dont we...
i feel like an idiot now This post + the fact BM afked for 10 hours after it makes me want to rethink my townlean on him Then again his rapid fire posting when he did come back is somewhat towny. Ehh prob not someone I'd lynch today.
On September 17 2015 22:36 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 21:22 Vivax wrote:
Dude it's a waste of time to get something out of Dandel, if crusader dies at any point he should just take him down.
I'm reasonably sure we should lynch into BM or damdy today. Can you explain why you scumread BM? I don't think the stuff about him ignoring rayn but calling you out, or w/e was very scummy. So wondering if you have more than that.
Plus, the two questions I asked him last page. This first question he actually answered it and I didn't see it; he said he changed his read of LS because he couldn't imagine Damdred and LS together in a mafia team. Now since everybody was suspicious of Damdred, I don't know why that would apply to LS more than anyone else.
On September 23 2015 16:26 Rels wrote:TT two questions. 1 - Yesterday you were so convinced LS was fakeclaiming you voted for him. What has changed here ? Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 08:39 Tictock wrote:On September 23 2015 08:28 LightningStrike wrote:
No one even got killed o.o Jesus I not going to defend myself for another 72 hours...... Humm, Damdred is pretty much confirmed mafia right? Like had he been town you would have been shot for sure. Mafia not going for the soup kill is interesting though. Theres a few possible reasons why not but to me it seems likely that they are leaving you alone for WIFOM purposes. 2 - Yesterday you quoted a post of mine that was saying geript haunting the night he died was super weird. You reached the opposite conclusion than I did though; I thought there was no way LS could invent that, while you saw a proof LS lied. Did you realize I had a different conclusion than you ? Or not ? Talking about this: Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 06:42 Tictock wrote:On September 22 2015 05:02 Rels wrote:On September 22 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Rels, are you 100% certain LS is town? I obsed Himalayas, and in that game rsoultin used as a reasonning LS was town since he was unable to lie. HTS and you used the same reasonning this game. So unless he broke his meta completely, he's town. Plus that geript bit is bothering me. Why the fuck would he lie about that. Reading the OP, it's not actually clear the wraith haunts someone the night the are killed. I checked that 'cause I found it weird, and it's not written on the role description. Holy shit this, I didn't even think about that. Geript wasn't dead till daypost how could he have haunted LS?
Plus, rayn's questions that he said he would answer and haven't for now:
On September 22 2015 06:39 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2015 04:30 Rels wrote:
Did TT answered your concerns about him ? never. well he said something but that didn't really answer anything at all. Remind me what these were tomorrow and I'll respond to them. Def dont have time atm.
Plus, his weird defense of Damdred EOD2.
CONCLUSION
I still think TT can be town. Why ? Because of rsoultin's wise words, paraphrased here: "A player cannot easily copy his meta, even if he wants too". So if TT is scum, he did a fucking good job imitating his town meta of posting thoughts without concerns for how he's read.
All the little weird things I listed above are not strong scum indicators by themselves, but the fact that there are so many means I'm not as sure as before. My read on him will evoluate depending on two things:
- how he answers my concerns and rayn's concerns
- the check situation. If BM is really the inquisitor and he green checked fidei, TT is probably scum by POE
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I should have used some spoilers. - -'
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The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed.
+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] +
Day 1 Holy Grail votecount
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (0): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Not voting (1): TicTock
+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 final votecount] +
Day 1 final votecount
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
+ Show Spoiler [Day 2 final votecount] +
Day 2 final votecount
Damdred (8): Bill Murray, LighningStrike, Bill Murray, Vivax, Half the Sky, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, Fidei86, FecalFeast
LightningStrike (2): Rels, Bill Murray, Rels, FecalFeast, Bill Murray, Rels, LightningStrike, TicTock, Damdred
Rels (0): Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet
Bill Murray (0): Rels
Fidei86 (0): Half the Sky, raynpelikoneet
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On September 24 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 00:04 Rels wrote:The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] +
Day 1 Holy Grail votecount
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (0): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Not voting (1): TicTock
Day 1 final votecount
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
Day 2 final votecount
Damdred (8): Bill Murray, LighningStrike, Bill Murray, Vivax, Half the Sky, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, Fidei86, FecalFeast
LightningStrike (2): Rels, Bill Murray, Rels, FecalFeast, Bill Murray, Rels, LightningStrike, TicTock, Damdred
Rels (0): Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet
Bill Murray (0): Rels
Fidei86 (0): Half the Sky, raynpelikoneet
I am mechanically confirmed just as much as Vivax is.
I fucking thought that when I wrote this sentence p: you are 100% confirmed in my mind. And frankly, if you are mafia and had the balls to shoot yourself, I will lose to you gladly. p:
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On September 24 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:04 Rels wrote:The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] +
Day 1 Holy Grail votecount
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (0): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Not voting (1): TicTock
Day 1 final votecount
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
Day 2 final votecount
Damdred (8): Bill Murray, LighningStrike, Bill Murray, Vivax, Half the Sky, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, Fidei86, FecalFeast
LightningStrike (2): Rels, Bill Murray, Rels, FecalFeast, Bill Murray, Rels, LightningStrike, TicTock, Damdred
Rels (0): Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet
Bill Murray (0): Rels
Fidei86 (0): Half the Sky, raynpelikoneet
I am mechanically confirmed just as much as Vivax is. I fucking thought that when I wrote this sentence p: you are 100% confirmed in my mind. And frankly, if you are mafia and had the balls to shoot yourself, I will lose to you gladly. p: Tbh if i was mafia i would shoot myself about 100% of the games where the martyr works "normally". I would never bank on angels being on me on some random day. Especially when i could just... kill a townie.
What is the martyr working normally ?
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On September 24 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 00:11 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:04 Rels wrote:The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] +
Day 1 Holy Grail votecount
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (0): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Not voting (1): TicTock
Day 1 final votecount
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
Day 2 final votecount
Damdred (8): Bill Murray, LighningStrike, Bill Murray, Vivax, Half the Sky, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, Fidei86, FecalFeast
LightningStrike (2): Rels, Bill Murray, Rels, FecalFeast, Bill Murray, Rels, LightningStrike, TicTock, Damdred
Rels (0): Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet
Bill Murray (0): Rels
Fidei86 (0): Half the Sky, raynpelikoneet
I am mechanically confirmed just as much as Vivax is. I fucking thought that when I wrote this sentence p: you are 100% confirmed in my mind. And frankly, if you are mafia and had the balls to shoot yourself, I will lose to you gladly. p: Tbh if i was mafia i would shoot myself about 100% of the games where the martyr works "normally". I would never bank on angels being on me on some random day. Especially when i could just... kill a townie. What is the martyr working normally ? The save is obvious, as in: "The person X martyred himself and saved person Y" and mafia does not get the role of Y. rn the martyr role is just a free townclaim on D1 and best used as it.
TBH this seems overpowered except if scum goes for this super risky play of shooting themselves.
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On September 24 2015 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 00:14 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:11 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:04 Rels wrote:The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] +
Day 1 Holy Grail votecount
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (0): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Not voting (1): TicTock
Day 1 final votecount
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
Day 2 final votecount
Damdred (8): Bill Murray, LighningStrike, Bill Murray, Vivax, Half the Sky, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, Fidei86, FecalFeast
LightningStrike (2): Rels, Bill Murray, Rels, FecalFeast, Bill Murray, Rels, LightningStrike, TicTock, Damdred
Rels (0): Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet
Bill Murray (0): Rels
Fidei86 (0): Half the Sky, raynpelikoneet
I am mechanically confirmed just as much as Vivax is. I fucking thought that when I wrote this sentence p: you are 100% confirmed in my mind. And frankly, if you are mafia and had the balls to shoot yourself, I will lose to you gladly. p: Tbh if i was mafia i would shoot myself about 100% of the games where the martyr works "normally". I would never bank on angels being on me on some random day. Especially when i could just... kill a townie. What is the martyr working normally ? The save is obvious, as in: "The person X martyred himself and saved person Y" and mafia does not get the role of Y. rn the martyr role is just a free townclaim on D1 and best used as it. TBH this seems overpowered except if scum goes for this super risky play of shooting themselves. Not really no. The soupkills and mafia getting roles of dead people is OP. This setup is mafia favored as it is. Idc what Palmar says, it is. Mafia cannot lose except for by playing bad as fuck. Or town has to play super good if mafia is not playing bad. Like look, we have atm had "bad townies" in Dandel, who got mislynched and shot most likely a townie. And another one in LS who is just fucking not playing still (assuming he is town - which is quite likely). Look at the position we are in? rofl. IT's not that good it looks like, being in 7-2, with mafia knowing two of the town roles in game already (assuming LS is town). WITH a no-kill (that was retarded by scum) and a mafia lynch on D2.
Dunno, this setup seems more swingy than especially alignment favored. Even if mafia knows a few role, we are still 7 town, so they cannot go for a YOLO soup. If we lynch mafia today, the last one gets rekt by mass claims tomorrow, so red check = victory, and green check = less chance of mislynch. I'm pretty confident that we'll win actually. (=
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And even if Shining was inquisitor, it means BM is 99% mafia, so same result.
It's pretty good I feel. (=
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On September 24 2015 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 00:23 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:14 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:11 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:On September 24 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2015 00:04 Rels wrote:The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] +
Day 1 Holy Grail votecount
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (0): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Not voting (1): TicTock
Day 1 final votecount
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
Day 2 final votecount
Damdred (8): Bill Murray, LighningStrike, Bill Murray, Vivax, Half the Sky, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, Fidei86, FecalFeast
LightningStrike (2): Rels, Bill Murray, Rels, FecalFeast, Bill Murray, Rels, LightningStrike, TicTock, Damdred
Rels (0): Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet
Bill Murray (0): Rels
Fidei86 (0): Half the Sky, raynpelikoneet
I am mechanically confirmed just as much as Vivax is. I fucking thought that when I wrote this sentence p: you are 100% confirmed in my mind. And frankly, if you are mafia and had the balls to shoot yourself, I will lose to you gladly. p: Tbh if i was mafia i would shoot myself about 100% of the games where the martyr works "normally". I would never bank on angels being on me on some random day. Especially when i could just... kill a townie. What is the martyr working normally ? The save is obvious, as in: "The person X martyred himself and saved person Y" and mafia does not get the role of Y. rn the martyr role is just a free townclaim on D1 and best used as it. TBH this seems overpowered except if scum goes for this super risky play of shooting themselves. Not really no. The soupkills and mafia getting roles of dead people is OP. This setup is mafia favored as it is. Idc what Palmar says, it is. Mafia cannot lose except for by playing bad as fuck. Or town has to play super good if mafia is not playing bad. Like look, we have atm had "bad townies" in Dandel, who got mislynched and shot most likely a townie. And another one in LS who is just fucking not playing still (assuming he is town - which is quite likely). Look at the position we are in? rofl. IT's not that good it looks like, being in 7-2, with mafia knowing two of the town roles in game already (assuming LS is town). WITH a no-kill (that was retarded by scum) and a mafia lynch on D2. Dunno, this setup seems more swingy than especially alignment favored. Even if mafia knows a few role, we are still 7 town, so they cannot go for a YOLO soup. If we lynch mafia today, the last one gets rekt by mass claims tomorrow, so red check = victory, and green check = less chance of mislynch. I'm pretty confident that we'll win actually. (= Ofc they can. BM is basically confirmed cop if he is not mafia. Acolyte is pretty easy to find out if you can deduce who the cop is. If you know shining's role (or can deduce it), you have a fakeclaim. Bam, it's only 2-3 roles you have to figure out anymore.....
Yeah that's true. Hope we don't lose to random guesses =X that would be the worst.
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On September 23 2015 21:12 Fidei86 wrote:
The thing I don't follow in TickTock's filter is that he makes a big post (#1712) saying why he thinks LS is mafia. It looks like he put a lot of work into it, but if you read it closely it focuses mostly on LS's claim, rather than the substance of his reads or his thought progression. In fact, TT prefaces his post with "I know that it's frustrating to get scumread, but...". And this is LS we're talking about - he fake claims as town so often it was the upgrade target for ruxx in Personality Mafia.
Okay, fine. But then he moves onto Damdred, without really expressing strong feelings on him (#1918). Also weirdly, as an aside, wasn't it TT who led the 'Inquisitor shouldn't claim a red check' faction on D2? Because he then says: "Though I'm not sure what caused people to move away from the idea that he was probbly green checked." Wouldn't that be because you argued that people shouldn't necessarily claim a red check, meaning that Rels' plan of check - no red claim - green plan never really took effect?
OK that is something more in addition to all the little stuff I described.
Do you have reads on BM / FF / LS ?
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leaving work super soon
I have stuff planned my three next evenings, so I'll won't be super active D3 at night. Will phone post if necessary though
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On September 24 2015 00:46 Fidei86 wrote:
Don't you have a day job Rels? Shouldn't you be doing that rather than Mafia? :-0
most of my day are waiting for my programs to fucking compile so I have time p:
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On September 24 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bill Murray is not a cop.
I am the Oracle. There is no reason not to claim because mafia already knows my role.
Therefore BM did not check Damdred on N1, in fact noone checked Damdred on N1 because i visited Damdred for obvious reasons. That makes BM most likely mafia based on what Rels said on D2.
On N2 i visited Tictock. Noone visited him. It means that the cop is dead most likely, which also means Shining was most likely the cop, it's like 99%. Otherwise there WOULD have been a copcheck on Damdred on N1 AND/OR a copcheck on Ticktock on N2.
The cop is dead. Damdred cannot possibly be the cop because he would have claimed at the start of the D2, 100%. He did that last game when i told "the cop should claim". 100%. Damdred was mafia. Mafia already knows there is no cop alive because they get my checks and cop checks every night, if there is no 2 checks they know one of cop/oracle is dead. Now they know for sure the cop is dead (because they know my role).
Most likely people to be mafia are BM and TT.
Do not talk about anything any more.
Murder BM. Then massclaim at the start of next day.
Make TT claim first.
goodluck!
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
EVERYONE VOTE BILL MURRAY AND SHUT THE FUCK UP
NO CLAIM NO NOTHING
JUST INSTANT MAJORITY HIM
BILL MURRAY WAS EITHER COP OR MAFIA
SINCE HE S NOT COP HE S MAFIA
WE CAN STILL WIN THIS TOMORROW WITH MASS CLAIMS
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On September 24 2015 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels here is what you need to do the next day:
Acolyte: ???
Judge: ???
Exorcist: ???
Grandier: ???
those roles will be in game.
You ask TT; "are you one of Grandier/Judge?"
Then you ask James; "are you one of Grandier/Judge?"
Then FF...
Then HtS...
Then, whenever you have three people on yes/no, you know in which two roles you have mafia in.
Then you go from the list again, and ask those three to claim. In same order.
Then you figure out how to lynch.
I am sure you can figure this out.
You need to think. I am banking on you being town here, so please do not let me down. <3
I will do it mate. If I'm alive. It has to be fidei or TT, so we can do it.
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On September 24 2015 01:54 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm off work but I'm heading to barre now. I'll catch up fully after it though.
I was pretty convinced Damdred was scum based on the entirety of his gameplay.
Tictock, I'm not thrilled so far with his D3 posting, but I'll be able to look through the BM TMI issues Rels brought up when I'm back home.
And Rels, Palmar's normal games are generally swingy, they punish mistakes by either alignment pretty hard. This is my first time in one of his themed games though.
HTS sorry
but don't say anything until you're fully caught up
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