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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:52 GMT
#1279
On September 20 2015 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If he gets counter-claimed the pope dies with vivax anyways.
There is literally no downside for making the claim. But good enough, at least we know geript's role 100%.

yeah that is fucking true
why would he do that in a bus situation though
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:55 GMT
#1283
On September 20 2015 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If he gets counter-claimed the pope dies with vivax anyways.
There is literally no downside for making the claim. But good enough, at least we know geript's role 100%.

geript could be pope too if LS is mafia
please explain how you know geript is 100% wraith
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:57 GMT
#1285
BM funny how you stopped saying my vote plan was bad since rayn precised it was his plan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 12:59 GMT
#1292
On September 20 2015 21:57 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:41 Vivax wrote:
And rayn keeps bringing this cop argument when he should realize as well that the cop claim is only worth it if he got off at least two checks. Or me and the cop get souped the next night for just one witch.

Rayn puts it as if Damdred's alignment was relevant but he doesn't really care while he keeps using that excuse to not do anything about Dam and push the easy lynch LS.

So rayn is mafia too, which also explains BM's odd behaviour towards rayn on D1.

Just not sure who between FF/Damdred is the most likely third. FF gave me a weird impression during the course of the game but if Dam is town then I don't know why he's (not) playing like that.

vivax that wouldnt be that bad
we are gonna hit mylo if we have odd number kills
losing you + cop for 1 red is actually worth it that way it doesnt end up 3 town 1 maf potentially (3 town is worse than 2 in that scenario)

Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:46 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:44 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:40 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 20 2015 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BM he actually has a point because i kinda find it really hard to believe you have a strong town read on me based on early game (i had basically said geript is town, LS is mafia, cop check should be directed because of reasons).

And then you... just what? forget one of these things and use it against him when it should be a reason to TOWNread him (as you are basically townreading me for the same thing)?

who is "him" here? Rels? Vivax?
who has a point? Rels? Vivax?
use what against who? i dont see how using logic A for player A means logic A works for player b
you're being illogical

I make a plan.
Rels agrees with it.

You townread me.
You scumread him FOR agreeing with me.

You are using "sheeping rayn" against him.

And I AM BEING ILLOGICAL?

no im scumreading him for stealing peoples posts and plagiarizing them

The ONLY time when this is scummy is if I disform the original post to get my team an advantage
so show me where I did that
or show me where the original plan was bad
otherwise your reasonning is super bad

you did that with my post

how I am fucking turning your idea into a mafia advantage if I have he SAME CONCLUSIONS AS YOU
and you didn't do it for the other two things: votecounts and check plan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:01 GMT
#1296
OK BM claim I am mafia for stealing people's idea and posting them
As I said, the only time it is scum indicative is if I disform ideas to get my team an advantage
And he couldn't prove that
he is mafia
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:02 GMT
#1298
On September 20 2015 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also geript checks me as a wraith about 99 times out of 100.
true story.

OK that is fucking true
##DeadlineVote LightningStrike
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:03 GMT
#1300
LS + BM mafia checks out with BM being the last guy saying he thought LS was scum
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:04 GMT
#1303
On September 20 2015 22:03 Vivax wrote:
I know that LS' claim is awful. Any claim is awful.

But why does rayn acknowledge this in this case and not in the case of an hypotheitcal inquisitor outing Damdred?

No he is right
LS is lying about geript
rayn is very good in this setup, and geript knows it
he would 100% visit rayn so rayn has a setup advantage
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:07 GMT
#1306
On September 20 2015 22:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Rels pardon my french but: Pourquoi vous êtes mauvais?

lol p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:09 GMT
#1308
On September 20 2015 22:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 22:04 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 22:03 Vivax wrote:
I know that LS' claim is awful. Any claim is awful.

But why does rayn acknowledge this in this case and not in the case of an hypotheitcal inquisitor outing Damdred?

No he is right
LS is lying about geript
rayn is very good in this setup, and geript knows it
he would 100% visit rayn so rayn has a setup advantage

WHY WOULD I LIE ABOUT GERIPT AT THIS POINT? I SWEAR TO GOD I WASN'T EXPECTING PALMAR TO PUT A NIGHT 1 RESULT PM TO ME BUT I FOUND OUT THROUGH THAT PM I WAS VISTED GERIPT.......

For your claim to be more believable
But geript visits rayn 100% if he is wraith
Him not doing so means he wasn't wraith
So he was pope and you're claiming his role
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:11 GMT
#1311
On September 20 2015 22:08 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 22:01 Rels wrote:
OK BM claim I am mafia for stealing people's idea and posting them
As I said, the only time it is scum indicative is if I disform ideas to get my team an advantage
And he couldn't prove that
he is mafia

you're gonna call me mafia for 0 reason when I have a huge case on you?

You know only mafia do that to me right?

Oh my god, you suck

I AM the one with a big case on you (= you even quoted it lol
You have nothing
Still waiting on you proving I disformed ideas
You didn't do it for the cop check
You didn't do it for the vote counts
You did it for the check claim analysis, and showed I shared your conclusion; so you didn't prove it was disformed
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:13 GMT
#1313
fuck HTS clearly said LS is incapable of lying
And this is a very very big thing to fake if he is mafia
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:15 GMT
#1318
On September 20 2015 22:13 Bill Murray wrote:
You have no fucking case on me LOL post the "case" you have on me
You don't have to twist ideas to be parroting things for town credit
I dont have to do it for any check when you are trying to steal ideas to look town
I dont have to do it for vote counts but I could. You didnt analyze grail vote or half of the vote at all. You cherrypicked certain parts of the vote. I havent analyzed the check enough to do it yet but i could easily do it with the other 2

You saying you shared my conclusion is the most credit you have fucking given me for that. YOu didnt even quote my original post you quoted tictock discussing it with me because you wouldnt EVER want to give me credit for the work i've done

you are all about credit and the thing is the credit you deserve is none because you are mafia who steals

hahaha
the thing you don't know is that I do vote counts analysis exactly like that every game
And I even suspect TT did one because he liked it in personality mafia. We'll ask him about that
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:17 GMT
#1320
On September 20 2015 22:14 Bill Murray wrote:
Prove u made a case on me

LOL
ARE YOU SERIOUS
YOU QUOTED IT
On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:
Now about BM.

Town points
1
Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative.

Mafia points
In spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other.

I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar

I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT

Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred

He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT

TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.

I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does


"Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that.

This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons.

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia.

well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk


Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia.

Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there.

No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him.

Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there

FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling


So he rereads to find something:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15


And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post.

Proof:

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.

The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion

If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard


His post at page 15:

On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:
I don't understand you.

You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan.

And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Then you gtfo.
I think you're mafia.


On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar

I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT

Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred

He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT

TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.

I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does


On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15


So yeah, BM is bullshittin



1
Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning:
- TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term)
- saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town)
- not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax'
Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads.
So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by:
1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same
2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him

2
BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:
Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript

Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia.




3
BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred.
What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post.
Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads

His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on

I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred

On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I changed my vote to LS




Conclusion
Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia.


Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:17 GMT
#1322
On September 20 2015 22:16 Bill Murray wrote:
LOL you're going to say you invented vote count analysis now cool story bro

the TT part is just a guess, we'll afk him
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:21 GMT
#1324
rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie
now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false
if that is true, LS is telling the truth
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:26 GMT
#1327
Two things.
On September 20 2015 22:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 22:17 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 22:14 Bill Murray wrote:
Prove u made a case on me

LOL
ARE YOU SERIOUS
YOU QUOTED IT
On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:
Now about BM.

Town points
1
Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative.

Mafia points
In spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other.

I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar

I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT

Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred

He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT

TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.

I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does


"Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that.

This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons.

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia.

well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk


Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia.

Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there.

No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him.

Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there

FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling


So he rereads to find something:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15


And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post.

Proof:

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.

The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion

If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard


His post at page 15:

On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:
I don't understand you.

You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan.

And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Then you gtfo.
I think you're mafia.


On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar

I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT

Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred

He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT

TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.

I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does


On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15


So yeah, BM is bullshittin



1
Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning:
- TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term)
- saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town)
- not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax'
Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads.
So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by:
1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same
2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him

2
BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:
Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript

Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia.




3
BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred.
What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post.
Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads

His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on

I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred

On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I changed my vote to LS




Conclusion
Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia.



you didnt even call me scum for this post and most of this is misinformation

you have been soft pushing me the entire game and the minute someone else called me scum you jumped at the opportunity to fake a case on me

False. My first post after you started posting for real:
On September 16 2015 06:16 Rels wrote:
Read through the thread before sleeping and I'm happy to see a lot more people talking
Phone posting so won't elaborate until after sleeping:
Bill Murray seems townie
Shining may be cool. In particular I agree with the damdred remark about him applying for grail and not doing shit
The three people in the useful list still needs to do something
Don't know about ls, the recent posts seems townie. I need to re evaluate tomorrow

I know I need to answer stuff (at least one question from ff from the top my head) and I'll do that tomorrow. Good night!


On September 20 2015 22:20 Bill Murray wrote:
i have already refuted this point by point

the case i made on you you have not refuted because you are not realizing what i am saying

you say you would have to make information disinformation but the point isnt that you would make it disinformation but that you are stealing it in the first place to make your filter look good

I have said it multiple times.
Your argument is "I'm stealing people ideas to make myself look good"
And it is NOT scum indicative, because if it is a GOOD idea then it is good for the town to amplify it
The only way is IT scum indicative is that if I disformed the idea into something bad for the town
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:27 GMT
#1328
Oh and I found the other post I was looking for:
On September 16 2015 16:48 Rels wrote:
About BM: he did the same thing as HTS; catching up with the thread and making his reads evolved. His thought process is clearly stated in the thread and understandable. And I loved how he simply said "well I don't have any scumread". =D I'm pretty sure BM is town.
@BM a question though: why did you think rayn was 100% town based on his first posts ?

LOLOL
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:29 GMT
#1330
alright BM if you have nothing to add except repeating I'm scum for stealing ideas, I will ignore you
I'm sure LS is town 'cause he is unable to lie. If he is mafia, HTS is too.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2015 13:31 GMT
#1332
On September 20 2015 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 20 2015 22:21 Rels wrote:
rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie
now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false
if that is true, LS is telling the truth

SO WHAT? DOES HE CLAIM MAFIA IF HE IS MAFIA OR WHAT?
It's not like LS has never called any townie mafia in his mafia games.

What the fuck is this bullshit.

rayn
YOU said LS dodged questions cause he has difficulties lying
And now you're saying he's lying about:
- his claim
- geript being wraith
- geript visiting him
Has LS ever fakeclaimed ?
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