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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 14:32 GMT
#832
Yeah the two good points on this case is the misuse of the buddy concept, and him trying to scumread TT and I while Vivax and rayn were also part on the early townread people, then dropping these scumreads when rayn talks to him.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 14:33 GMT
#833
OK it is good but not enough to make me vote BM instead of Dandel, geript or Damdred.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 14:41 GMT
#836
actually that may be good enough to vote him above geript or Damdred
I'm pretty sure Dandel is mafia though. I know you don't 'cause apparently you've seen him play like that as town, but I think that's a bullshit reason
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 14:54 GMT
#843
On September 17 2015 23:50 Vivax wrote:
Tbh I just couldn't care less about Dandel on D1. If he's mafia he'll keep that up along with low activity, if he's town he'll actually have reads at some point.

Low activity is not the reason I'm sure is mafia. Why are you saying "if he's town he'll have reads at some point" ? He has two reads: Damdred and Shining.
He didn't explain his Damdred read to HTS, and he lied explaining his Shining read.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 14:54 GMT
#844
On September 17 2015 23:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys I wont be able to do much until EoD in terms of vote switching so if anything changes from now to when I can play I will check it out.

what did you think of my case on Dandel ?
what did you think of Vivax' case on BM ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 14:59 GMT
#846
On September 17 2015 23:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
hey i have 3 reads what blatant lies and misrepresentations

Outside of the game: you are pretty funny =D you make me think of Chezinu in the last game I played
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 15:04 GMT
#848
On September 18 2015 00:02 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 23:54 Rels wrote:
On September 17 2015 23:50 Vivax wrote:
Tbh I just couldn't care less about Dandel on D1. If he's mafia he'll keep that up along with low activity, if he's town he'll actually have reads at some point.

Low activity is not the reason I'm sure is mafia. Why are you saying "if he's town he'll have reads at some point" ? He has two reads: Damdred and Shining.
He didn't explain his Damdred read to HTS, and he lied explaining his Shining read.


I never know if he's serious or if he just says things to antagonize people for funzies. As I recall his Damdred is town thingy came up right after somebody scumread him.

I'm not gonna discuss this guy further it's a waste of space, just as he is in this game and most others.

you really think so ? Cause my case is based on the fact that his Shining read was a serious read
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 15:05 GMT
#849
let me pull quotes and tell me what you think
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 15:08 GMT
#850
like OK he's hiding behind troll all game
but these escalation of posts makes me think his Shining read was a serious fake read, that he tried to correct after I pointed out it didn't make sense
On September 17 2015 18:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 10:52 Half the Sky wrote:
So if your first post was serious why are you trusting the read when you don't know how good his meta shit is?

Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to communicate (in the bolded)?

Particularly when Shining had a very sharp (IMO) reaction to how Damdred scumread him on page 26. What do you make of that then?

If you are being serious and I am understanding you correctly, then I have no idea how you are townreading Damdred.

How am I trusting his read?
Sharp? shining is an obvious omgusser, yet he didn't even call damdred scum (for that, but also not for anything else, but he sure is trying hard to soft it)

shining is just scum it's really that simple

On September 17 2015 19:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [no french ppl] +
he called damdred scum like once from the phase of the game that doesn't matter, when he hadn't posted shit, and he backed the fuck off once damdred posted something

that's even scummier tho, and my post is even better now

inb4 french scum takes this as excuse to rub all over my balls like he wanted to the whole game

On September 17 2015 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
he must be pretty expert to react to something before it happens
w/e you clearly don't want to listen so do what you want

On September 17 2015 21:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 21:07 Rels wrote:
On September 17 2015 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
he must be pretty expert to react to something before it happens

THEN WHY DID YOU SAY THAT

hm i wonder what reaction have you talked about this could possibly apply to
like this is why i cosider it supremly pointless to talk to you, too bad nobody else is around lel

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 15:26 GMT
#852
On September 18 2015 00:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
i find it amusing you take this as your excuse for your crusade, but you still also try to maintain i didn't answer hts's post

if you weren't so french it'd be adorable

HTS asked you that because she didn't understand your Damdred townread.
Damdred having a good or bad meta read on Shining is not alignment indicative for Damdred.
So you didn't answer anything.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 15:27 GMT
#853
But you still can now if you decided to play the game.
Why is Damdred town ? Cause him having a good meta read on Shining is not alignment indicative.
Why is Shining mafia ? Cause you said it was because he didn't scumread Damdred, which is false.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 15:33 GMT
#855
OK fine. Continue to not explain your reads so people cannot judge them
I still have 10 minutes before leaving work if you want to do a real explanation with quotes and shit. Not that I think it's possible
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 15:45 GMT
#858
On September 18 2015 00:37 Vivax wrote:
Reading more into this shining thingy, there's actually a part that bothers me quite a bit:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:
I'm here. Post will probably be sloppy because I'm writing as I'm catching up.

On September 15 2015 18:34 Rels wrote:
Going to grab some lunch so I'll be AFK until later. Here is my brain right now:

Town
rayn
Vivax
TT

Maybe town
Damdred
geript

Null
FF
HTS
fidei
BM

Maybe scum
Dandel Ion

Scum
The Shining
LS

See you all later (=


This post is so easy to make. I said I don't get on much Monday/Tuesday and the game started slow while I was on, with almost no one posting. I'm almost always scummed D1 because I don't like to play it but w.e, I'm used to it. I started the holy grail convo because no one was talking about anything else and I figured the sooner we settle on it, the more info we'd get from people trying to push for it for strange reasons. Better to discuss it now than leave it until the last 12-24h of day phase.

-snipped-

Rayn town, Vivax un-CCd town, I don't agree with Rels read of me for obvious reasons but he looks pretty solid town.

-snipped-
.


Going from "this post is so easy to make" as if it's supposed to come from mafia to "he looks pretty solid town" doesn't seem very appropriate.

Yeah I agree it's weird.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 15:48 GMT
#859
OK leaving work. For those who missed it:
On September 17 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:
In case this is a contested lynch between LS Damdred and Dandel, I need you to read this
As rayn posted, it is important that we decide who the inquisitor should check. If we do that:
- the oracle has a garanteed hit
- if the inquisitor doesn't claim a red check D2, it means that the checked target is town

If there is a contested lynch, the person we decided to check might be lynched, and we cannot talk at night in this setup. It could mean the inquisitor and the oracle not knowing who to check.

SO
Near the end of the day, everybody should state who they want to check in addition to their lynch.
In the person they wanted to check is lynched instead, the inquisitor would just have to assume their initial lynch target is their check target.
OK ?


I vote for Damdred as the check target. See rayn's big post about why, but basically if he is town, him being confirmed tomorrow means the game is going to be solved really fast. And if he's mafia then it's all good. (=

I'm pretty sure Dandel is mafia, see my case for why. Other candidates are BM (see Vivax case minus the timeline part) and geript; but Vivax reminded me of geript having personal issues, and he's not my town scumread, so I'm OK letting him live until tomorrow.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 18:55 GMT
#872
Alright this is pretty dead. Like where is hts ? Im pretty sure she said she was going to be there in the afternoon. Guys we had 72 hours to decide three things: who we want to lynch, who to grail and who to check. We have no majority on these subjects, except maybe damdred for the person to check. I think nobody was against that.

So starting now if someone is against damdred being checked say it now, cause after the lynch it will be a silent night. If you need to know why damdred is a good check or why we ned to direct the check, read rayn s filter today.

Once this is done we need to consolidate on one lynch and on one grail. So lets talk about that please. Personally, I've explained why dandel should be the lynch in my case. I also think a bm lynch is OK.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 18:59 GMT
#873
Damdred if you don't think ls or shining are scum, who are your scumread ? Please read my dandel case
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 19:00 GMT
#874
Damdred relating to this: what do you think of dandel thinking shining is scummy for dropping his scumread on you at some point, when you yourself dropped your shining scumread ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 19:07 GMT
#878
On September 17 2015 22:00 Rels wrote:
Why is Dandel Ion mafia: an easy catch


1. Dandel Ion actively lurked the whole D1
Actively lurking, IE reading the thread but not posting anything interesting or answering questions, is scum indicative. There are no benefits for a townie to do that. The benefits for a mafia to do that are: posting to appear active, not sharing reads mean you cannot be judged on your positions, not answering questions means people cannot understand you.
Plus, here is a geript quote regarding Dandel's scum meta:

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote:
Dandel might be town but ugh. He usually hates playing as mafia often to the point of getting his team to bus him for credit. Usually as mafia he's low to super low activity, which is what I see here. It's not a 100% thing but I think it's a decent flip.

So Dandel is playing his scum meta this game.

2. Dandel Ion said The Shining was scum for not scumreading Damdred, which is false
Dandel said:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 18:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
On September 17 2015 10:52 Half the Sky wrote:
So if your first post was serious why are you trusting the read when you don't know how good his meta shit is?

Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to communicate (in the bolded)?

Particularly when Shining had a very sharp (IMO) reaction to how Damdred scumread him on page 26. What do you make of that then?

If you are being serious and I am understanding you correctly, then I have no idea how you are townreading Damdred.

How am I trusting his read?
Sharp? shining is an obvious omgusser, yet he didn't even call damdred scum (for that, but also not for anything else, but he sure is trying hard to soft it)

shining is just scum it's really that simple

That is not true. Shining is not "trying hard to soft" attack Damdred. He is currently voting Damdred and said his vote won't move until deadline:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 09:46 The Shining wrote:
##deadlinevote Damdred
##HolyGrail Fecalfeast

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 09:42 The Shining wrote:
So Damdred comes back with more nothing, while WIFOMing his alignment in not one but two games. Bro, I hate you right now. W.e I'm done, see you guys at deadline.

Don't really care who gets the grail, either. Give it to whoever will be nkd n1 so this slow game can end fast.


3. Dandel doesn't answer my questions but attacks me as a person
Not talking about his trolling, but about that bit right there:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 19:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
inb4 french scum takes this as excuse to rub all over my balls like he wanted to the whole game

I didn't push Dandel the whole day. D1 I put him in a useful list of useless people to warn him and others they should not be useless in this game. D2 I voted him and specifically said I would re evaluate when he starts playing. Only now I truly believe he is scum.
So Dandel Ion is lying about me attacking him the whole day.

BUT the reverse is true.
D1 when I posted the first version of the useful list, Dandel's reaction was:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 17:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.

The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion

If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard

oh no

And when he continues being here while still being useless, I put him into the "maybe scum category", his reaction was:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 18:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
On September 15 2015 18:34 Rels wrote:
Going to grab some lunch so I'll be AFK until later. Here is my brain right now:

Town
rayn
Vivax
TT

Maybe town
Damdred
geript

Null
FF
HTS
fidei
BM

Maybe scum
Dandel Ion

Scum
The Shining
LS

See you all later (=

lynch imo


So Dandel is accusing me of something I didn't do, but he has actually done to me.

Conclusion
Dandel is mafia for actively lurking, not helping others to understand him, having one of his two reads based on something false, attacking me as a person. There is a small chance he is Grandier, intentionally playing shitty to get reactions, then sacrificing himself to decide the lynch at the end of the day. I don't believe it as it would be sub optimal play. And even if he is, lynching him is what he wants.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 19:08 GMT
#879
On September 18 2015 04:06 Damdred wrote:
Honestly sand is someone who I could lynch today just because of the hard town read on me without any real reason to be town read.

++
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 19:30 GMT
#884
On September 18 2015 04:24 Damdred wrote:
I think its pretty sheepable tbh

:p
Any thoughts on vivax case on bm ?
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