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On September 06 2015 02:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 06 2015 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rayn were u harboring legit suspicions on Alakaslam earlier? Yes, i genuinely think when he posts jsut before the game start and when the game starts makes one post that's "sad" he is scum. Obviously this in not 100% certain thing but generally: - happy slam is town - sad slam is mafia ohhhkay, then i actually think slam is town because of this: On September 05 2015 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 14:23 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Agree. I never claimed that. I claimed Rayn push had an unintended side effect I don't understand, how does that have anything to do with what i said? basically slam said that u were suspecting him but was pushing n00bKing more: Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:51 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 13:28 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:27 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:17 GlowingBear wrote:
SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
FITE ME PERFECT COME TO YOUR DOOM ![[image loading]](http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-421228bc485b3054b4ba9a717ca309eb?convert_to_webp=true) The old man will win He looks pretty young to me. There is a bear in the cage. Just FYI Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Otherwise, he would be on Breshke's and mine skin before you. It looked like a pressure vote. Rayn was genuinely suspicious of me because of meta. Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:55 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia.  On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work.
idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see.
I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Here is my read evolution of Breshke:
- I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective.
- I asked him about it.
- He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective".
- I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that.
- He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game"
- That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense.
- Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay"
- After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense.
I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure.
My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals.
I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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The why doesn't he fucking clarify it?
Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else.
Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII?
Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. How did it throw me off? You are just creating a narrative that fits your world. It threw you off because in skimming you thought Rayn had not pushed me much because in his actual posts WHOLLY about me, he didn't- and he voted noob But he actually was pushing me a lot He has said so himself because he knows he did. You failed to see that though; you have not been reading and were willing to vote for pretty foul reasons when there were reasons based on posting in the thread. looking thru ur filter that looked to be the case, altho u did drop suspicion on slam rather quickly in this post. but ur response makes sense because i tone read slam as happy and mafia people are mostly sad so i don't think this is important. in the quote where i said slam was town, breshke/n00bking were saying that slam was stating that rayn was using him to catch lazy mafia. but as both of u said, ur suspicion on slam was real, so what both of them were saying was false. agreeing with breshke/n00bking would have been the easy way out as he was coming off as town read from the interaction anyway, but he actually stuck to his story. -shrugs- the reasoning is a bit convoluted but it works out if u look at it in context. either way, slam is town from both tone reads and thread proof.
I know the bolded part is true but i disagree with the fact that Slam would do that (is that what you mean?).
He 100% knows where my suspicion on him came from.
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Cake what are your reads?
I heavily disagree with Moosy being mafia.
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On September 06 2015 02:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 06 2015 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 06 2015 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rayn were u harboring legit suspicions on Alakaslam earlier? Yes, i genuinely think when he posts jsut before the game start and when the game starts makes one post that's "sad" he is scum. Obviously this in not 100% certain thing but generally: - happy slam is town - sad slam is mafia ohhhkay, then i actually think slam is town because of this: On September 05 2015 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 14:23 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Agree. I never claimed that. I claimed Rayn push had an unintended side effect I don't understand, how does that have anything to do with what i said? basically slam said that u were suspecting him but was pushing n00bKing more: On September 05 2015 13:51 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 13:28 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:27 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:17 GlowingBear wrote:
SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
FITE ME PERFECT COME TO YOUR DOOM The old man will win He looks pretty young to me. There is a bear in the cage. Just FYI Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Otherwise, he would be on Breshke's and mine skin before you. It looked like a pressure vote. Rayn was genuinely suspicious of me because of meta. On September 05 2015 13:55 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam.
He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it.
Which i totally agree with it.
Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:
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Mafia.
What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment.
Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. How did it throw me off? You are just creating a narrative that fits your world. It threw you off because in skimming you thought Rayn had not pushed me much because in his actual posts WHOLLY about me, he didn't- and he voted noob But he actually was pushing me a lot He has said so himself because he knows he did. You failed to see that though; you have not been reading and were willing to vote for pretty foul reasons when there were reasons based on posting in the thread. looking thru ur filter that looked to be the case, altho u did drop suspicion on slam rather quickly in this post. On September 05 2015 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hey slam is not mafia but i still want the mspaint so shhhh....... but ur response makes sense because i tone read slam as happy and mafia people are mostly sad so i don't think this is important. in the quote where i said slam was town, breshke/n00bking were saying that slam was stating that rayn was using him to catch lazy mafia. but as both of u said, ur suspicion on slam was real, so what both of them were saying was false. agreeing with breshke/n00bking would have been the easy way out as he was coming off as town read from the interaction anyway, but he actually stuck to his story. -shrugs- the reasoning is a bit convoluted but it works out if u look at it in context. either way, slam is town from both tone reads and thread proof. I know the bolded part is true but i disagree with the fact that Slam would do that (is that what you mean?). He 100% knows where my suspicion on him came from. yes, but i think this post made them think u read slam as town and was looking to catch a lazy mafia: which is false because u did genuinely suspect slam. and slam stuck to his story rather than using what breshke/n00bking thought as a way to cop-out which i liked.
I don't think you get what i mean.
If Slam takes the cop-out as mafia he knows it will make me see theat he is bullshitting and then he will get lynched.
Other people might not know how i read Slam but Slam KNOWS how i read him so he cannot do anything else than to "stick with his story (truth)", otherwise he gives himself away to me.
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On September 06 2015 02:35 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake what are your reads?
I heavily disagree with Moosy being mafia. I disagree with you, moosy is being very hypocrite with his posts and he says i am antagonizing him when he is doing that to me, he is paying extremely TOO MUCH attention to me. I also don't like how he just said "trying to confirm if rayn is town" like seriously you already are. I don't like noobking either but he might just been having an ego attack and is being sturbborn, the whole "town would have reacted this way to gb claim" is fucking dumb.
Look, Moosy does not think any of the current lynch candidates are mafia.
He is looking into other places in who is mafia.
There is honestly not much you have said that should get you a townread to people who do not know you and your play (which is basically everyone other than me and yamato). It is not unreasonable for him to think you are mafia, in my opinion.
There is no reason to get into any shitfight because of this. He is not being a hypocrite, even if he is mafia in this game he isn't being a hypocrite here.
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On September 06 2015 02:43 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:35 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake what are your reads?
I heavily disagree with Moosy being mafia. I disagree with you, moosy is being very hypocrite with his posts and he says i am antagonizing him when he is doing that to me, he is paying extremely TOO MUCH attention to me. I also don't like how he just said "trying to confirm if rayn is town" like seriously you already are. I don't like noobking either but he might just been having an ego attack and is being sturbborn, the whole "town would have reacted this way to gb claim" is fucking dumb. Look, Moosy does not think any of the current lynch candidates are mafia. He is looking into other places in who is mafia. There is honestly not much you have said that should get you a townread to people who do not know you and your play (which is basically everyone other than me and yamato). It is not unreasonable for him to think you are mafia, in my opinion. There is no reason to get into any shitfight because of this. He is not being a hypocrite, even if he is mafia in this game he isn't being a hypocrite here. Ok I will call down with moosy and just trust you. Now tell me who are your "very mafia" reads so I can go check.
noobking
slam(?)
coughinghydra(?)
I don't have a "very mafia" read except for noobking.
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On September 06 2015 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:43 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:35 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake what are your reads?
I heavily disagree with Moosy being mafia. I disagree with you, moosy is being very hypocrite with his posts and he says i am antagonizing him when he is doing that to me, he is paying extremely TOO MUCH attention to me. I also don't like how he just said "trying to confirm if rayn is town" like seriously you already are. I don't like noobking either but he might just been having an ego attack and is being sturbborn, the whole "town would have reacted this way to gb claim" is fucking dumb. Look, Moosy does not think any of the current lynch candidates are mafia. He is looking into other places in who is mafia. There is honestly not much you have said that should get you a townread to people who do not know you and your play (which is basically everyone other than me and yamato). It is not unreasonable for him to think you are mafia, in my opinion. There is no reason to get into any shitfight because of this. He is not being a hypocrite, even if he is mafia in this game he isn't being a hypocrite here. Ok I will call down with moosy and just trust you. Now tell me who are your "very mafia" reads so I can go check. noobking slam(?) coughinghydra(?) I don't have a "very mafia" read except for noobking.
Like i think everyone else is town except for james and boxerfred and even boxerfred is silghty leaning towards town for reasons i will not go more detail into at least yet.
GB is null just because i do not like his votes.
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On September 06 2015 02:46 CopCake wrote:
Why is slam mafia?
- because he was catching up he didn't address my posts almost at all. i have a huge lot meta on him and when he is town he usually trusts me (when he thinks i am town, and he does here). here he doesn't.
- his point on Breshke getting "thrown off" which he hasn't explained.
There are these "filter" buttons in people's posts. If you click it you can have an ISO of that persons posts in this game.
Read my filter, it's all there.
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On September 06 2015 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:43 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:35 CopCake wrote:On September 06 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake what are your reads?
I heavily disagree with Moosy being mafia. I disagree with you, moosy is being very hypocrite with his posts and he says i am antagonizing him when he is doing that to me, he is paying extremely TOO MUCH attention to me. I also don't like how he just said "trying to confirm if rayn is town" like seriously you already are. I don't like noobking either but he might just been having an ego attack and is being sturbborn, the whole "town would have reacted this way to gb claim" is fucking dumb. Look, Moosy does not think any of the current lynch candidates are mafia. He is looking into other places in who is mafia. There is honestly not much you have said that should get you a townread to people who do not know you and your play (which is basically everyone other than me and yamato). It is not unreasonable for him to think you are mafia, in my opinion. There is no reason to get into any shitfight because of this. He is not being a hypocrite, even if he is mafia in this game he isn't being a hypocrite here. Ok I will call down with moosy and just trust you. Now tell me who are your "very mafia" reads so I can go check. noobking slam(?) coughinghydra(?) I don't have a "very mafia" read except for noobking. Like i think everyone else is town except for james and boxerfred and even boxerfred is silghty leaning towards town for reasons i will not go more detail into at least yet. GB is null just because i do not like his votes. What's wrong about my votes? I'm pretty comfort with them for now.
Because i am almost definitely sure scott is town.
Why do you think he is mafia?
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On September 06 2015 02:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:46 CopCake wrote:
Why is slam mafia? - because he was catching up he didn't address my posts almost at all. i have a huge lot meta on him and when he is town he usually trusts me (when he thinks i am town, and he does here). here he doesn't. - his point on Breshke getting "thrown off" which he hasn't explained. There are these "filter" buttons in people's posts. If you click it you can have an ISO of that persons posts in this game. Read my filter, it's all there. But doesn't that make him townie? Like if he knows his meta and how he works, and he knows how you read him, wouldn't he try to mimic that as mafia? Mafia would try to win town's or strong player's trust, so I think that if he was mafia he would try to just act as "alakazam" town unless he is very very bad at faking it.
oh but he is.
especially if noobking is mafia he what choice does he have?
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On September 06 2015 02:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean. More Breshke walls of text - GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think GB is mafia here? I don't care i stopped reading his posts. I hope a vigilante shoots him. Ok, you're mafia ##Vote: Rayn Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.
Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.
Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).
Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.
GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.
Rest also IDK.
So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. Good information but I'm already blitzed. N00bking's posts bad like last game. He's my worst right now. Rayn town Yamato doing shit - town Basically, these are summary with lazy reads. Yamato doing shit = town. That was way too fast and yamato wasn't doing much. He called me drunk/high just to discredit me and then called me null. He calls noobking bad but does not vote him. He gives no reason to call Rayn town. Then he fucks off. Just looks like a Mafia trying to contribute while saying nothing new.
have you ever read any games of his?
i suggest you go read one.
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On September 06 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:57 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean. More Breshke walls of text - GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think GB is mafia here? I don't care i stopped reading his posts. I hope a vigilante shoots him. Ok, you're mafia ##Vote: Rayn Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.
Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.
Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).
Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.
GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.
Rest also IDK.
So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. Good information but I'm already blitzed. N00bking's posts bad like last game. He's my worst right now. Rayn town Yamato doing shit - town Basically, these are summary with lazy reads. Yamato doing shit = town. That was way too fast and yamato wasn't doing much. He called me drunk/high just to discredit me and then called me null. He calls noobking bad but does not vote him. He gives no reason to call Rayn town. Then he fucks off. Just looks like a Mafia trying to contribute while saying nothing new. have you ever read any games of his? i suggest you go read one. Rayn, yes, I've lynched him even when he got a green check. I shouldn't give him leeway for that, tho. I find him scummy.
meh actually you may have a point. sorry.
but i think his vote is in the right place atm so i don't care about him right now.
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On September 06 2015 04:12 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work.
idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see.
I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Here is my read evolution of Breshke:
- I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective.
- I asked him about it.
- He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective".
- I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that.
- He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game"
- That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense.
- Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay"
- After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense.
I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure.
My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals.
I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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The why doesn't he fucking clarify it?
Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else.
Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII?
Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. Doesn't this mean noobking would have to be mafia in order to Breshke be mafia? Otherwise the "throwing off" makes very little sense. Slam, i still want you to answer this. This post: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 Breshke wrote:
...because rayn has posted shit all about slam without me prodding/asking. that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting.
I don't see why you would say this:
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He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said?
Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans. Here is my read evolution of Breshke: - I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective. - I asked him about it. - He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective". - I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that. - He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game" - That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense. - Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay" - After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense. I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure. My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals. I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
SO when noobking said "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
He was not being serious rayn. IIRC i think he was responding to yamato and he is trying to imply that you can not be town because you are leaping to ridiculous conclusions. This wasn't actually a question about your meta.
The why doesn't he fucking clarify it? Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else. Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII? Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. Doesn't this mean noobking would have to be mafia in order to Breshke be mafia? Otherwise the "throwing off" makes very little sense. I can't see that world. If noob was scum with bresh he would not defend me, he would vote me. Or he would tell bresh to stfu ... does not really answer anything. Basically you are saying that "rayn went -BAM, votes for n00bking. That threw Breshke off". Now if you assume Breske is mafia for that -> trying to find a different target because he got "thrown off" that has to mean n00bking is mafia, because otherwise there is no reason for Breshke to be "thrown off". Like your argument is "Breshke is mafia because he got thrown off for rayn suddenly voting for a townie". It makes literally no sense. You are completely capable of pushing two town as town.
can you jsut answer the fucking question?
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On September 06 2015 05:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:To be fair, rayn did make a good point here: Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Moosy i see a certain difference in his play (and in the last game) here and in his play on those games.
He as mafia picks a target and pushes it into oblivion.
He as town, well see my last post and turn it around. He actually listens to other people. hm...this is a good point. i'll back off of n00bking for now and give him some space to respond. But I don't think it's enough to completely lynch n00bKing yet. Either way, it's standard town!n00bKing manner to see if he's working on a big case or not so I'm willing to wait and see what happens.
well you've bee nsaying this for like 15 hours and there has been nothing from him.
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coughing hydra is probably mafia because of undick-move analysis.
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On September 06 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:25 Superbia wrote:
All right. You will be able to read him based on the case he's presenting, right? Or do you think just him posting a big case identifies him as town? I will be able to read him based on the case he is presenting and how he presents his line of thought in the case.
well his line of thought on his case currently is scummy as fuck.
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On September 06 2015 05:38 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
coughing hydra is probably mafia because of undick-move analysis. You mean it's scummy that he's replacing out? If not, I agree that his initial (and pretty much only) post was decently scummy, but since it's his first time playing (judging from profile), it could go either way. As much as replacing out. Also could go either way. We just have to see what replacement does imo.
I mean he makes a post THEN replaces out.
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Feels like "fuck it i can't keep up with this".
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On September 06 2015 05:43 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:21 GlowingBear wrote:
noob what do you think of moosy doosy? Moosy appears to be Town so far. He's done one thing that I am not sure he would have found the nerve to do if he were Scum and knew that I am Town. I also think his suspicions of CopCake were well-founded (and this is even assuming that we disregard the "pocketing" attempt that Moosy flipped his lid about. I would disregard that incident, and I would be suspicious of CopCake anyway.)
Now this is a funny thing to say from a guy who thinks i am mafia for having meta-reads.
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On September 06 2015 06:03 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote: n00bKing wrote:
On THIS site, it seems like the games usually have a few dim bulbs. It's a lower level of play than I'm used to, and I'm still trying to make adjustments. This is an example of such an adjustment. Fucking LOL pot, kettle, black Mmmm, NO. It was only my SECOND game here on this site, when I asked the other players if they knew of any good places to play Mafia-by-Forum. Because this ain't it. Players here don't care, players here don't try, and I don't think some of them would know how to try even if they wanted to. But I had said I would play in Moosy's 4th and final Newbie game, so here I am.
stop bitching. this is the site with the most quality mafia games on the internet.
why is cake mafia?
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Moosy is this the big case you wer looking for. Looks like at least three words.
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