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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 15:40 GMT
#1326
he's scum because he's town?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 15:53 GMT
#1340
wave your explanation for why CC may be scum is a post of a townread on him.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 16:01 GMT
#1345
On August 28 2015 00:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 00:53 KelsierSC wrote:
wave your explanation for why CC may be scum is a post of a townread on him.

You asked me to explain why I looked back into a past game to call him scum based on meta, I showed you why.


you said you went back looked at games , one really old game where he was scum.
but you remembered his past games and as a result you have a tentative town read on him.
So what I don't understand is why you now think he is scum.


Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 16:03 GMT
#1347
On August 28 2015 00:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
That feeling when you're playing so damn good that everyone thinks you're mafia for it. Just saying, 1.5 year old meta is all but abandoned at this point. I totally get why VE'd think I'd be mafia--he played in nomination with me--but he'd also think I were mafia If i led the wagon on justice on scum. Also he may still be salty from 2 years ago in Noir Mini where I destroyed him (OK, he had me down as mafia, but nobody else did and we shot VE in the night ) as scum.

Marv is more mafia for calling me mafia. #omgus A player with good analytical skills like that is hinging on a tone / old meta read and I don't think I've played a game as scum with him in it before. And I'm like his top scumread besides JAT, who he was waffling on superhard before. I don't get it.

I still think Wave is mafia for not evaluating the game critically and letting Palmar do everything, it seems so textbook mafia. But he looks like he's been doing stuff since then, however mostly unrelated to figuring out JAT's alignment, which should be his number 1 priority as town. I actually agree with his point about KSC agreeing with the hopeless read, because the hopeless read is trash. The only problem is that I've been townreading KSC since ~a couple hours after I scumread him in my first post. But it's a matter of whether or not KSC actually agrees with the meta reasoning behind the read or not. He doesn't just agree because someone he admires said so, he agrees because he actually believes in a trash read.

Wave asked a question to JAT, something along the lines of: "did your read on me have anything to do with CC" and jat replied that it did not. However, JAT called my posts absolutely true and good. ???


i've played with town hopeless, i've played with scum hopeless, i've seen a recent scum hopeless game

not playing is his scum meta, I think I said of the AFK's he would be the best one to lynch and Trefl made a good point about it.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 16:10 GMT
#1352
On August 28 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 01:01 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 00:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 28 2015 00:53 KelsierSC wrote:
wave your explanation for why CC may be scum is a post of a townread on him.

You asked me to explain why I looked back into a past game to call him scum based on meta, I showed you why.


you said you went back looked at games , one really old game where he was scum.
but you remembered his past games and as a result you have a tentative town read on him.
So what I don't understand is why you now think he is scum.



I didn't remember his scumgame which is why I wanted to go back and look at it to see if it wouold affect my townread. It did.I don't think he's scum because of that one game, but my townread on him is gone-ish as from that game I can see that he could very well be playing this way as scum.

I'm not following what you're not following here.



i wasn't following why ,when i asked you for a scumread you quoted a post of you calling him town.

forgive me

ok so how has his play changed , why are you no longer town reading him?

cos that one game from years ago?
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 16:11 GMT
#1353
On August 28 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
K actually done with you 'cause gonna look at JAT
You're not changing your waste of a vote anyway you've made that clear


i'm talking to you don't get your panties in a twist
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 16:12 GMT
#1357
On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it.

RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc)


no fuck you ,

if you actually do this i will lynch you
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 16:35 GMT
#1389
On August 28 2015 01:10 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 28 2015 01:01 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 00:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 28 2015 00:53 KelsierSC wrote:
wave your explanation for why CC may be scum is a post of a townread on him.

You asked me to explain why I looked back into a past game to call him scum based on meta, I showed you why.


you said you went back looked at games , one really old game where he was scum.
but you remembered his past games and as a result you have a tentative town read on him.
So what I don't understand is why you now think he is scum.



I didn't remember his scumgame which is why I wanted to go back and look at it to see if it wouold affect my townread. It did.I don't think he's scum because of that one game, but my townread on him is gone-ish as from that game I can see that he could very well be playing this way as scum.

I'm not following what you're not following here.



i wasn't following why ,when i asked you for a scumread you quoted a post of you calling him town.

forgive me

ok so how has his play changed , why are you no longer town reading him?

cos that one game from years ago?

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 16:52 GMT
#1392
On August 28 2015 01:50 Palmar wrote:
Can someone go check if Vivax is mafia?

It's highly likely tbh.


probs
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 17:13 GMT
#1413
On August 28 2015 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...self analysis but why the fuck would I ever go back and do a huge analysis only to OPENLY admit I am still sheeping, SAME as I did earlier, and openly admit I have no good conclusions? It's just to shift blame to Palmar and make myself look 'good?' You think that post is in any way going to make me look good?

SO frustrating that people continue to hinge on 'wishy-washy' as some indicator of scum.


so you make a wishy-washy post that doesn't commit to anything but you allow yourself to sheep palmar

"such analysis, why would scum ever do this omg"

yeh ok,can you answer my quesiton about CC please.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 17:17 GMT
#1417
On August 28 2015 02:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...self analysis but why the fuck would I ever go back and do a huge analysis only to OPENLY admit I am still sheeping, SAME as I did earlier, and openly admit I have no good conclusions? It's just to shift blame to Palmar and make myself look 'good?' You think that post is in any way going to make me look good?

SO frustrating that people continue to hinge on 'wishy-washy' as some indicator of scum.


so you make a wishy-washy post that doesn't commit to anything but you allow yourself to sheep palmar

"such analysis, why would scum ever do this omg"

yeh ok,can you answer my quesiton about CC please.

No, sick of entertaining questions that go nowhere and attempting to explain extremely simple things to someone who just doesn't get them.

Of all the waffle I've waffled in this game I'm so back and forth on KSC. I keep looking back and thinking 'ok maybe it's not scummy and I'm just OMGUSing' but his pressure on me feels way more forced than anything JAT has pushed out.


it's pressure if you don't answer a fucking question jesus shit

it's a very simple question
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 17:19 GMT
#1420
On August 28 2015 01:35 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 01:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 28 2015 01:01 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 00:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 28 2015 00:53 KelsierSC wrote:
wave your explanation for why CC may be scum is a post of a townread on him.

You asked me to explain why I looked back into a past game to call him scum based on meta, I showed you why.


you said you went back looked at games , one really old game where he was scum.
but you remembered his past games and as a result you have a tentative town read on him.
So what I don't understand is why you now think he is scum.



I didn't remember his scumgame which is why I wanted to go back and look at it to see if it wouold affect my townread. It did.I don't think he's scum because of that one game, but my townread on him is gone-ish as from that game I can see that he could very well be playing this way as scum.

I'm not following what you're not following here.



i wasn't following why ,when i asked you for a scumread you quoted a post of you calling him town.

forgive me

ok so how has his play changed , why are you no longer town reading him?

cos that one game from years ago?


Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 17:23 GMT
#1422
On August 28 2015 02:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
You literally answer your question in the post you quote.
This is why I'm sick of dealing with you.
Show nested quote +

I didn't remember his scumgame which is why I wanted to go back and look at it to see if it wouold affect my townread. It did.I don't think he's scum because of that one game, but my townread on him is gone-ish as from that game I can see that he could very well be playing this way as scum.


Seriously what the fuck


THAT ISN'T AN ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!

"I don't think he's town anymore because............................................................................????????????????????"

you had a town read what actually changed why has that disappeared.

Like you already took into account the scum game and yet you decided despite that he was tentative town, so why did it change?

like talking to a fucking wall
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 17:29 GMT
#1427
On August 28 2015 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
NO I DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SCUM GAME CAUSE I HADNT LOOKED AT IT AT THE TIME
I DONT FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT YOURE MISSING HERE


So you have a townread on him and then that just disappears because, you read a scum game ?

like you actually need to explain more than that, I can say oh I townread wave, but then I read a game where wave was scum and so he is scum here, it doesn't make any fucking sense

like actually explain this shit to me beacuse it just sounds like you want to try and scum read him rather than actually having a reason.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 17:32 GMT
#1430
On August 28 2015 02:29 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
NO I DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SCUM GAME CAUSE I HADNT LOOKED AT IT AT THE TIME
I DONT FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT YOURE MISSING HERE


So you have a townread on him and then that just disappears because, you read a scum game ?

like you actually need to explain more than that, I can say oh I townread wave, but then I read a game where wave was scum and so he is scum here, it doesn't make any fucking sense

like actually explain this shit to me beacuse it just sounds like you want to try and scum read him rather than actually having a reason.

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 17:36 GMT
#1433
On August 28 2015 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 02:29 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
NO I DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SCUM GAME CAUSE I HADNT LOOKED AT IT AT THE TIME
I DONT FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT YOURE MISSING HERE


So you have a townread on him and then that just disappears because, you read a scum game ?

like you actually need to explain more than that, I can say oh I townread wave, but then I read a game where wave was scum and so he is scum here, it doesn't make any fucking sense

like actually explain this shit to me beacuse it just sounds like you want to try and scum read him rather than actually having a reason.


I hereby make it my business this game to never answer that question.
You can even do nothing the rest of the game but requote that post if you'd like.


it's a perfectly reasonable question so stop being a whiny little bitch and answer
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 17:37 GMT
#1435
so wave you still just want to lynch JAT because palmar said so?
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 17:41 GMT
#1438
On August 28 2015 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 02:37 KelsierSC wrote:
so wave you still just want to lynch JAT because palmar said so?

Now I am convinced you are only asking me these questions to piss me off because once again, that question was lready answered very very recently.

I don't understand why you feel the need to be such a dick, but it's cool. Let me know when you decide to start playing the game for real.


ok I didn't see you answer, so yes or no?
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 17:45 GMT
#1440
Again reasonable questions

I don't understand why you changed your read on CC, your explanation is woefully inadequate

I still don't understand what you want to do with JAT, you made a big post that concluded nothing , apparently this is like you being 100% town in your own words, but I want a TLDR version of it.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2015 18:00 GMT
#1444
On August 28 2015 02:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Again reasonable questions

I don't understand why you changed your read on CC, your explanation is woefully inadequate

I still don't understand what you want to do with JAT, you made a big post that concluded nothing , apparently this is like you being 100% town in your own words, but I want a TLDR version of it.

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