I think town are just complaining at each other right now. And Wave, you are totally correct about KSC right now. I've been doing the same thing with my read on him.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 17:24 GMT

#1423

On August 28 2015 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
CC did my seemingly 'do-nothing' case on JAT somehow convince you?
How does that change your insistence that me thinking Palmar's 'pretty good' thing was scummy?

Your case was OK. You truly go back-and-forth on JAT and that's what you probably would be doing if you're town, see a bunch of people pushing on him, and want to get a read. I've done the same thing with JAT. I don't think you make an entire case just to reaffirm your sheeping nature on Palmar as mafia. I still don't agree with voting JAT purely "because Palmar", and I think that you openly admitted that you never read JAT / Palmar's reasons for lynching JAT up until now. Do you do that as mafia? Probably not. Your interactions with JAT, too, are seeming like town-on-town.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 17:24 GMT

#1425

Calm down.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 17:35 GMT

#1432

On August 28 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Nope.
Done.

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I don't really see how anything I do though just in that one case changes what your original points were on me.

The original points don't change. You never read / subjectively agreed with Palmar's case on JAT. You never objectively looked at JAT until now. But do you openly admit it as mafia and make a case to tell everyone that you are still sheeping Palmar? You even said it to JAT, why the hell do you do that as mafia?

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 17:41 GMT

#1436

On August 28 2015 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Well I mean according to JAT (and technically he IS right, I COULD very well do that as either alignment because I am very self aware of my meta---I just don't think it's scum-indicative) that doesn't change anything.

I'm not saying it's impossible. I don't know your alignment. But it's far more likely as mafia you are more reserved about your voting intentions on JAT. Your pissing contest with KSC and JAT over the last page feels towny. Really, I don't even know why.

I still think it's scummy to have come in the thread, and blindly sheep a person for reasons you don't even agree with / haven't read. I think player flips will be telling on your alignment.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 17:47 GMT

#1441

Vivax has a good potential of being mafia here. This is his filter for reference.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?user=Vivax

He has given one read the entire first day: Lynch Trfel. The only other thing I can tell from Vivax's posting is that he may wish to lynch Wave, considering his last few posts asking about Waves read on me flipping.

The question remains: what has Vivax done in-between? Most of it is asking questions. I'm not talking important questions, I'm seeing relatively useless questions which probably would not serve to strengthen Vivax's reads if he were town. Vivax's play consists mostly of asking questions which he never gets the answers to, doesn't follow up on, in addition to failing to give reads. Doesn't so much as comment on the JAT/Palmar stuff (he did once, to +1 one of my posts). I don't understand what Vivax's game plan here is if he's town.

If you are in the thread now please read Vivax and let me know what you think. He's just skating by today. I want to see what Hopeless does after he reads the thread.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 17:49 GMT

#1442

Also Palmar is playing very badly if he is town, he needs to reevaluate his top scumread pronto. If he comes to the same conclusion: fantastic, I just need the evidence he believes is noteworthy so I can actually read him town.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 17:55 GMT

#1443

It's a shame I don't have more hard-town reads. Would make this game much easier. I want to believe both Palmar and Marv are town, but Marv is insisting that I am mafia and hasn't done anything remarkable outside of being largely active. His logic on me is not bad, but it is wrong. I'm flipflopping on Wave. Moosy seems pretty townie and is oddly enough one of my only townreads. JAT is actually trying now which makes me happy, but I wish it came earlier in the day. VE? Trfel? Kels? Could go either way still. I just want people to die, flip, and then reevaluate. I will say this about Rsoultin: for someone who has quantitatively posted a lot, I can't remember much of what she's said other than kill JAT and some stuff about me. She is probably just town, and I'm willing to go with that for a few days.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 18:03 GMT

#1445

Kels we should probably talk

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 18:09 GMT

#1451

Wave literally admits he never read JAT/Palmar's reasons / read the thread, hence this statement: "I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue." He does reevaluate JAT, but is still voting for him because Palmar.

Wave is like textbook mafia. However, the book itself has faded print, torn pages, and most know the words by heart.

Does he get angry as both alignments? Does he become this stubborn about sticking with Palmar as town?

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 18:17 GMT

#1457

Nobody is looking at Vivax right now.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 18:18 GMT

#1460

On August 28 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:

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I think you are wrong about that.

Why is Vivax town?

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 18:21 GMT

#1462

JAT for the record, me being inconsistent is playing to my town meta. Even though my old meta should be thrown out, Marv did note that I was all over the place as town.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 18:22 GMT

#1464

On August 28 2015 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:

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I made a post about him a while ago. It did not say he is town. I called him likely mafia after that too.

Oh, you were saying I was wrong about people not looking at Vivax, not Vivax's alignment.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 27 2015 18:25 GMT

#1467

On August 28 2015 03:22 KelsierSC wrote:

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can you explain the +1 you did for rsoultins post?

At the time I thought JAT was town for defending against Palmar, and Palmar was just had an extremely flimsy read on him. I agreed with what Rsoultin said about it being ridiculous that the only thing JAT had done was the Trfel thing, because leaning on that the entire game wont get him anywhere. Clearly, one needs more from a player to discern their alignment. That's why I pushed him later to give reads and be productive, because complaining to Palmar and sticking with the Trfel read isn't making me read him town.