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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 27 2015 21:22 GMT
#1680
Yeah I'm voting boxerfred for the ninja now
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 27 2015 21:24 GMT
#1683
Let's call it a semi ninja cause he knows that voting 1 minute before deadline is like a guaranteed death. However it's the confirmation that he's around doing nothing on purpose and still reads the game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 27 2015 21:25 GMT
#1685
Also the fact he remains silent with all these votes on him feels very reassuring.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 27 2015 21:32 GMT
#1697
On August 28 2015 06:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
mmm...rsoul could i convince u to do a switch onto trfel?


Dude why did you vote CC? It didn't seem like the shitty series of votes that came up when you got confronted with that.

It's like you did that only to make seem your vote on CC not serious.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 27 2015 21:40 GMT
#1719
On August 28 2015 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'M TOTALLY DOWN WITH A TRFEL LYNCH, ANYONE WHO IS DOWN SAY SO NOW


I was down before BF did that shit. Trfel can have another day.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 27 2015 21:59 GMT
#1795
On August 28 2015 06:59 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 06:57 rsoultin wrote:
lol if they're town who is scum palmar blah this game -_-

take your pick

Vivax
WoS
JAT
Deconduo

+

1 guy I missed?


You still think JAT is mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 27 2015 22:17 GMT
#1838
Well played boxer, a shining beacon of townieness.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 27 2015 22:26 GMT
#1847
Not particularly impressed by Palmar here, given he still thought jat was mafia and usually becomes lil adolf whenever he doesn't get his lynch. The game where he was all over GB comes to mind.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 27 2015 22:31 GMT
#1850
On August 28 2015 07:27 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 07:26 Vivax wrote:
Not particularly impressed by Palmar here, given he still thought jat was mafia and usually becomes lil adolf whenever he doesn't get his lynch. The game where he was all over GB comes to mind.

I also think you're mafia if it helps.


It only makes you look worse cause you usually read me right in the majority of games.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 28 2015 17:04 GMT
#2158
On August 28 2015 23:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax
Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC
Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless
Mafia: Trfel, Palmar

Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable.

You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner.

Why? He's universally townread, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. I'm literally the only person saying Palmar could be mafia besides you and YOU are his main target.


ftr I'm also suspicious of Palmar until I see him lynching a mafia, and if the mafia was jat I'll still be suspicious of him
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 28 2015 18:45 GMT
#2242
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 28 2015 19:56 GMT
#2246
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.


You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 28 2015 20:13 GMT
#2248
On August 29 2015 05:02 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.


You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter.


he says palmar could be mafia a few times

It's fairly clear he is uncertain of palmar and he repeated that just now
what is this push?


The way he atcs about Palmar is not what his post suggested he would act like, I'd have expected way more confidence from him based on what he said.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 28 2015 20:14 GMT
#2249
Cause back then he didn't say "palmar could be mafia or bad town", he said "then Palmar is mafia" which suggests his attitude to become different from the one he presented.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 28 2015 20:56 GMT
#2275
On August 29 2015 05:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:43 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:40 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.


i did read your mega post



Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game.


because vivax made a stupid post


That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game.


i don't agree with the scum read on you



Or you are mafia and know I'm town.


or i have reasons to town read you, good talk


A recap of those reasons would be nice since marv is already going ham on CC with reasons that oppose your point of view.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 28 2015 21:16 GMT
#2294
On August 29 2015 06:16 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote:
On August 29 2015 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
These are all early day 1 reads, there is nothing concrete about them. I'm not saying that Rsoultin is absolutely town because she was excited at the beginning of the day. I'm not saying Palmar must be town because he townread Rsoultin early on. Jesus people, it's just how I interpreted the game early on to get a grasp on who was best to look at. If you don't like my reasoning for early reads when there are 5 pages in the game, I'm very sorry. I don't clean up my reads to look absolutely iron-clad logical from everyone's perspective. I have a unique point of view, and I may town/scum read people early for reasons that don't make complete sense to everyone. That's because I'm going with my gut as town, and gut-reads are typically just feelings. Not much else to go on early in the game.

Like, it's starting to get me angry that everyone is simultaneously scumreading me for "clean posts/TMI/to good to be town" while also stating that some of my thought processes are illogical. Those two can't go together, it's either one or the other. Because if I am adhering to my 2 yr old scum meta and having very clean posts, then I have very few flaws in my logic because I'm making up stuff that is believable. I'm town. I try to make what I'm thinking (no matter if it actually makes sense to you guys or not) visible, because I'm being truthful.

I'm clearly attempting to figure out the game through whatever avenues I can, and there is nothing more towny than that.


tldr you have no explanation. gotcha

my problem is gut reads or not, the read progression is odd. i don't care when people demonstrate they don't think logically, but you don't seem to have that problem

I think this is going in circles by now and only helps CC if he is mafia. His explanation for his reads is totally viable and fine. The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning.


^
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 28 2015 21:23 GMT
#2304
On August 29 2015 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
"The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning"

You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited.


Which brings you to what marv said.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 29 2015 12:02 GMT
#2410
Looking at WoS and rsoultins reads we should be discussing CC/Trfel/Kelsier for mafia today instead of afking on hopeless like Palmar wants. They were their scumreads. Rsoultin was sort of right on decon provided that marv's check is true and correct.

Even if they were just a medic dodge it doesn't hurt to look into these three.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 29 2015 12:11 GMT
#2411
On August 29 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 07:05 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 29 2015 07:04 Trfel wrote:
I don't know what that means at all.

I guess it makes sense if justanothertownie is scum, or if mafia wanted to kill WaveofShadow instead of justanothertownie for some reason.

?
What does this has to do with me at all?
Assuming everyone is town, I would think that mafia would prioritize kills as follows:

marvellosity
rsoultin
justanothertownie
WaveofShadow


Why isn't Palmar there?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
August 29 2015 12:35 GMT
#2417
Revisiting D1 I notice that the stuff around Trfel missing the sarcasm in BF's post provokes curious cause different reactions in the CC/Jat/me triad.

CC hard townreads JAT.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 26 2015 22:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 22:13 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Methinks the JAT is town.

why


Jat is town because he didn't just fall over to Palmar's pressure. He defended his position on the Trfel read and called it the most relevant thing in the thread.


But the same thing with Trfel left him with a "back and forth" on him, while for both me and jat it felt like it appeared to have more weight than just that.

On the other hand for me it didn't feel like that alone is a reason to TR jat. Same for him. But certainly I did find it noteworthy that we all noticed the same thing, with CC acting in the most different way.

My main point remains the way CC says "Then Palmar is mafia" without following up on it, I still can't get over that. On top of it, he said that roughly 1 hour after Palmar put Trfel into the town pile.

If I then assume CC's perspective, I see Palmar dismissing my point about Trfel, townreading him for reasons I don't know, scumreading my townread, and calling him mafia if the push is not fake.

Why not do anything about this afterwards? The followup is a big post on Wave instead when I would expect way more suspicion on Palmar given the opposing opinions and the way he said he would be mafia for pushing Jat in case he's srs.
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