I don't want to believe the mason claim. The way they played it if it's real was truly horrible. Claiming at the start of D2 was the most optimal option, Palmar even said it would be really strong for town. Problem is, a mason pair + 1 shot cop is balanced in a 13 player setup. No way there is JUST a 1 shot cop versus 3 goons. So unless there is another claim to make me think otherwise, we have to believe it and just yolo it.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 31 2015 23:15 GMT

#2796

Decondou is probably town. Marv would have had to check exactly the GF. It's far more likely that he's just inactive town (see: All the other town we lynched)

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 31 2015 23:23 GMT

#2797

So Kelsier is mafia. We are making that assumption today based on his day 1 reads post, his total afk d2 and last minute vote. If he's town, then we've lynched all the town who've played badly and the game's over, which I'm fine with. VE is a good person to be looking at after that. He hasn't done anything memorable, was pushing me D2 instead of Palmar like his night-phase play suggested. I haven't read his filter yet, but he's probably mafia just by PoE.

Then there's one between vivax/moosy/jat

I can see any of them being mafia. Moosy is likely the town on that list, but really everyone's play to me just looks like "did not much D1, pushed me D2, voted palmar and hopeless at last second. All of those people who were voted yesterday in the world Palmar is mason are town. So, it's really tricky. We need to reevaluate JAT if Palmar is town for sure. But not today. Today we afk lynch Kelsier and see if the game continues.

If no blue claims within the first 24 hours, then we can safely assume Palmar and Trfel are confirmed town unless BH really only made a nerfed cop as a singular blue role in a 13 player game, which is unlikely.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 31 2015 23:27 GMT

#2798

If Palmar was right on JAT, the only reason he's right is because he had extra information in that he knew JAT's early push was on a townie.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 31 2015 23:30 GMT

#2799

A world of VE, Vivax, and JAT honestly would not surprise me. That would mean all the mafia were pushing my lynch.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 00:00 GMT

#2803

I kinda figured vivax was blue.

Full claim or gtfo

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 00:01 GMT

#2804

Mafia are never going to put KP on you vivax. so if you're veteran or PGO idc plz claim. You're just going to get roleblocked anyway.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 00:04 GMT

#2805

On September 01 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I want you to look at decon again and especially at Trfel's case on him. Looking at his behavior, it's definitely not outside of the ballpark that he could be Mafia. Immediately discounting that he's Mafia just because marv's check had to be very unlucky is not good play.

I wont argue that his play has been abysmal / mafia indicative. Lynching a confirmed cops green check this early is even more terrible. I'm not reconsidering until final 3.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 00:58 GMT

#2810

Hopeless was the only other lynch candidate besides me. We mass exodus switched from Palmar to Hopeless because we assumed that meant Palmar was also mason. Palmar claimed Trfel was lying, I brought up the fact that Palmar explicitly said he wasn't a mason... It all happened in like 5 minutes.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 00:59 GMT

#2811

though I expect JAT would have wanted to vote me instead of hopeless

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 01:00 GMT

#2812

Also I want Palmar and Trfel to post logs. Is that possible?

Are Masons allow to copy+paste logs?

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 02:41 GMT

#2837

On September 01 2015 11:41 Trfel wrote:

Show nested quote +

That suggestion also came from Mr. Cheesecake, and it's extremely stupid. We are either both masons, or both mafia, but either way we have a QT together.

I'm not allowed to post time stamps, give me a few minutes and I'll look up the first post in each phase.

That didn't come from me.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 03:18 GMT

#2841

On September 01 2015 12:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Man, call me tunneled but I just can't help but feel chills over Mr. CC.

Cheesycakes. What do you think of Trfel/Palmar vs Vivax situation. Which claim do you believe in right now.

Is there any world where there is a 1-shot cop, mason pair, and tracker or w.e. vivax is?

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 03:20 GMT

#2842

I can actually see BH giving out a nerfed cop, veteran / tracker, and a mason pair. the 1 shot cop / vet / tracker aren't powerful roles. As long as vivax ain't a jk or some shit

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 03:21 GMT

#2845

and not to mention that mafia had 2kp on n1, which is something not usually had in normal 13 player setups

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 01 2015 03:23 GMT

#2846

Fuck it, the simplest answer is to believe all the claims. Vivax was basically hard claiming being blue last night. the Mason claim is incredibly stupid if palmar and trfel are mafia, and it was largely softed on day 1.