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I'm drunk but i know one thing.
I thought chez was mafia or at least anti town before. But now we have the proof he lied!! Ff got no check when he checked a dead player (wos) and chezinu got a check when he checked a dead player (yamato). In addition to all the shit from before: the nuke theory making sense, him not trying to solve the game D2, him listing LT as green with no reasoning then saying it was to fool the mafia.
Let's kill the guy that survived 4 lynches.
KILL THE CHEZ
##Vote Chezinu
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Good night all. If you're not voting the chez when I wake up you're a moron.
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Forgot to add being roleblocked by ritoky when claiming a check. Anothrr thing against him
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On August 28 2015 08:37 geript wrote:
Also fwiw since we're coming clean. I made up that whole HTS QT shit for funsies. Idk if KSC is lying, but at least it got everyone else to lynch LT. So I'm counting it a win.
Scooby doo. )=
I'll get back to you motherfucker, now that the shot protected on you N1 is claimed by vig, so it was likely not mafia shooting you. You're not town confirmed anymore.
Lucky for you there are better targets today.
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Vote recaps colored with flips
Day 1 final vote
ruXxar (7): Breshke, Half the Sky, Rels, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien, ObiWanShinobi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, Half the Sky, Chezinu, Rels
Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Fidei86, yamato77, FecalFeast, KelscierSC
Tubesock (2): The Shining, Rels, Chezinu, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien
Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Tubesock, The Shining, Tictock, Rels
ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar
WaveofShadow (1): FecalFeast
Half the Sky (1): KelsierSC
Damdred (0): FecalFeast, FecalFeast, ruXxar, Chezinu, FecalFeast, KelsierSC
VayneAuthority (0): Lord Tolkien
yamato77 (0): FecalFeast, Tubesock
Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather
Day 1 vote recap
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ritoky voted for fidei86
geript voted for ritoky
FecalFeast voted for damdred
Damdred voted for FecalFeast
FecalFeast unvoted
FecalFeast voted for judgejudy
FecalFeast unvoted
FecalFeast voted for damdred
Chezinu voted for ritoky
Chezinu unvoted
ruXxar voted for damdred
Chezinu unvoted
Chezinu voted for damdred
Tubesock voted for Fidei86
Breshke voted for ruXxar
Half the Sky voted for ruXxar
The Shining voted for Fidei86
Rels voted for ruXxar
ObiWanShinobi voted for ruXxar
ruXxar unvoted
ruXxar voted for geript
WaveofShadow voted for ruXxar
Lord Tolkien voted for Vayne Authority
Lord Tolkien unvoted
Lord Tolkien voted for ruXxar
FecalFeast unvoted
FecalFeast voted for yamato77
ruXxar unvoted
ruXxar voted for ObiWanShinobi
The Shining unvoted
The Shining voted for Tubesock
JudgeJudy voted for WaveofShadow
geript unvoted
geript voted for chezinu
Tictock voted for Fidei86
Rels unvoted
Rels voted for Fidei86
Rels unvoted
Rels voted for Tubesock
Chezinu unvoted
Chezinu voted for Tubesock
JudgeJudy unvoted
JudgeJudy voted for Chezinu
Tubesock unvoted
Tubesock voted for yamato77
ObiWanShinobi unvoted
ObiWanShinobi voted for chezinu
WaveofShadow unvoted
WaveofShadow voted for Chezinu
Lord Tolkien unvoted
Lord Tolkien voted for Chezinu
Tubesock unvoted
Tubesock voted for Chezinu
Fidei86 voted for Chezinu
yamato77 voted for Chezinu
KelsierSC voted for Half the Sky
FecalFeast unvoted
FecalFeast voted for kelsierSC
Half the Sky unvoted
Half the Sky voted for Tubesock
WaveofShadow unvoted
WaveofShadow voted for Tubesock
Lord Tolkien unvoted
Lord Tolkien voted for Tubesock
ObiWanShinobi unvoted
ObiWanShinobi voted for ruXxar
Lord Tolkien unvoted
Lord Tolkien voted for ruXxar
FecalFeast unvoted
FecalFeast voted for damdred
KelsierSC unvoted
KelsierSC voted for damdred
Damdred unvoted
Damdred voted for ruXxar
Half the Sky unvoted
Half the Sky voted for ruXxar
Chezinu unvoted
Chezinu voted for ruXxar
Rels unvoted
Rels voted for ruXxar
FecalFeast unvoted
FecalFeast voted for chezinu
KelsierSC unvoted
KelsierSC voted for chezinu
KelsierSC unvoted
KelsierSC voted for Half the Sky
FecalFeast unvoted
FecalFeast voted for WaveofShadow
Day 2 final vote
raynpelikoneet (5): Tictock, KelsierSC, Damdred, Tictock, Fidei86, Rels, The Shining, JudgeJudy
Rels (5): KelsierSC, FecalFeast, Tictock, Chezinu, geript, The Shining, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock
Yamato77 (3): ObiWanShinobi, Rels, JudgeJudy, Lord Tolkien, Tictock, Fidei86, Fidei86, The Shining, yamato77, Rels
FecalFeast (2): ritoky, Bill Murray, Tictock
Chezinu (1): Tictock, Breshke, geript, geript
geript (1): FecalFeast
ritoky (0): geript, Fidei86
The Shining (1): KelsierSC, KelsierSC
KelsierSC (0): FecalFeast
Fidei86 (0): The Shining, Damdred, FecalFeast, Tictock
Day 2 vote recap
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ritoky voted for FecalFeast
Bill Murray voted for FecalFeast
Tictock voted for FecalFeast
KelsierSC voted for Rels
FecalFeast voted for Rels
Tictock unvoted
Tictock voted for Rels
ObiWanShinobi voted for Yamato77
Chezinu voted for Rels
Rels voted for Yamato77
geript voted for ritoky
Tictock unvoted
Tictock voted for Chezinu
Breshke voted for Chezinu
JudgeJudy voted for Yamato77
Lord Tolkien voted for Yamato77
geript voted for Chezinu
geript unvoted
geript voted for Chezinu
geript unvoted
geript voted for Rels
The Shining voted for Rels
FecalFeast unvoted
FecalFeast voted for KelsierSC
KelsierSC unvoted
KelsierSC voted for The Shining
Fidei86 voted for Rels
The Shining unvoted
The Shining voted for Fidei86
raynpelikoneet voted for Rels
Damdred voted for Fidei86
Lord Tolkien unvoted
Lord Tolkien voted for Rels
Tictock unvoted
Tictock voted for raynpelikoneet
Fidei86 unvoted
Fidei86 voted for ritoky
FecalFeast unvoted
FecalFeast voted for Fidei86
Tictock unvoted
Tictock voted for Fidei86
Tictock unvoted
Tictock voted for Yamato77
Fidei86 unvoted
Fidei86 voted for Yamato77
Fidei86 unvoted
Fidei86 voted for Yamato77
FecalFeast unvoted
FecalFeast voted for geript
KelsierSC unvoted
KelsierSC voted for raynpelikoneet
Damdred unvoted
Damdred voted for raynpelikoneet
The Shining unvoted
The Shining voted for Yamato77
Tictock unvoted
Tictock voted for raynpelikoneet
Fidei86 unvoted
Fidei86 voted for raynpelikoneet
Rels unvoted
Rels voted for raynpelikoneet
yamato77 voted for Yamato77
The Shining unvoted
The Shining voted for raynpelikoneet
Tubesock voted for Rels
KelsierSC unvoted
KelsierSC voted for The Shining
JudgeJudy unvoted
JudgeJudy voted for raynpelikoneet
Rels unvoted
Rels voted for Yamato77
Day 3 final vote
Lord Tolkien (8): Rels, Fidei86, JudgeJudy, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, Tictock, Damdred, ritoky
KelsierSC (3): geript, FecalFeast, Chezinu
Damdred (1): KelsierSC
Not Voting (1): Lord Tolkien
Day 3 vote recap
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Rels voted for Lord Tolkien
Fidei86 voted for Lord Tolkien
geript voted for KelsierSC
JudgeJudy voted for Lord Tolkien
KelsierSC voted for Damdred
ObiWanShinobi voted for Lord Tolkien
FecalFeast voted for KelsierSC
Breshke voted for Lord Tolkien
Tictock voted for Lord Tolkien
Damdred voted for Lord Tolkien
ritoky voted for Lord Tolkien
Chezinu voted for KelsierSC
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OK folks. Come here, sit by the fire! It's cold out there, isn't it ? Are you well now ? Then, let me tell you about the story of today.
We're lynching Chezinu.
We can talk about other things. I will be ignoring Chezinu 'cause talking to him each time has cluttered up the thread for nothing. Unless he says false things ofc.
Why are we lynching Chezinu ? Two mains reasons shows he's mafia, and a bunch of small ones shows he's not town.
1. The nuke theory: LT fake nuked Chezinu D2 to gain town cred when Chez flipped
Go read it, it's there:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#2817
2. Chezinu claimed he got a check on a dead player; FF claimed he didn't get a check on a dead player; FF was town
That's it. Chezinu claimed to get a 3P check on dead yamato. But please remember the context to know WHY Chezinu claimed that:
Chezinu counterclaimed FF "no result" claim on Lord Tolkien. He tried to deflect the lynch from LT to FF.
That's a play only a mafia (not even a town-enemy 3P) would do.
3. Bunch of small reasons that shows he's not town
- Chezinu claimed not-town EOD3
- Chezinu's check was counter claimed by ritoky's roleblock claim
- Chezinu had Lord Tolkien as green in his "I'm serious now" list post; when asked about it, he said it was to fool the mafia and he actually thought LT was green
- Chezinu *knew* FF was lying from his point of view, but never pushed him hard. Instead, he pushed me hard back when I attacked him. This shows he's not interested by solving the game
- Chezinu *knows* ritoky is lying from his point of view, but doesn't push him hard. Instead, he pushes me hard back when I attack him. This shows he's not interested by solving the game
- His wincon "I don't know my wincon" doesn't make sense
- His upgrade check doesn't make sense with his wincon; why a check would be useful with a wincon like that
- He faked wanting LT to be modkilled EOD3
Conclusion
All of the small reasons makes Chezinu not-town. The two main ones makes him mafia.
So please: LYNCH HIM AND IGNORE HIM. Let's talk about something else while he finally dies.
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Now, about ObiWanShinobi.
I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well.
Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post:
On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded.
So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did:
On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast
He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work.
Now look at what OWS did:
On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best.
1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work.
And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch.
But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP):
On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia
And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake.  On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best.
OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened:
- OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones
- OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours
- Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu
- But of course the nuke didn't work
And here is why he did it
He nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner.
But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped.
He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him.
TLDR
OWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later.
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I got other things to say about Damdred and geript. But I will wait for people to read these two posts first and to vote Chezinu. I have a feeling that if I post too much people won't read, and we have time to discuss stuff.
So people; READ THE TWO POSTS ABOVE!!
Then vote Chezinu who I'm sure is mafia; and ignore him please.
Then talk to me about OWS; I'm only 90% sure he's mafia, so tell me what you think of the nuke situation N3.
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I dont want to talk about something else than Chezinu - OWS (since it is related to Chez) as long as people are not convinced Chezinu is mafia. BUT I really really want to develop that geript-Damdred interraction at the start of the day 'cause some things are bothering me.
So please people: a simple "oh you're fucking right" followed by a Chez vote would be enough. Comments on OWS would be extra good.
Then we can talk about something else.
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On August 28 2015 22:35 JudgeJudy wrote:
What do you think about KSC, Rels? Now that FF has flipped town, do you buy the claim that KSC was fake claiming cop as town?
We need to kill him before LYLO.
I had no scumread nor townread of him until this morning. The guy made sure he was unreadable.
Now, the FF flip this morning confirmed he was lying about the check. The moment that happened, he did this:
On August 28 2015 08:14 KelsierSC wrote:
i checked a dead man
Then 20 minutes later he actually rescinded his cop claim:
On August 28 2015 08:32 KelsierSC wrote:
soap
here's the thing, i don't actually have a way of checking people
i'm a town vigi, i shot geript n1 for the lolz,
he didnt die so i assumed he was a vet and called him town
then i took a punt on LT being mafia next night
but for my town defence, i got people to vote rayn
and LT
so im town
i just havent really played properly
So several things are super weird:
1 - he fakeclaimed for the entire game
2 - he made sure he was unreadable for the entire game
3 - we don't know if KSC would have rescinded his claim without FF flipping
4 - before he rescinded, he posted he checked a dead man; maybe he tried to cover his fakeclaim by claiming the dead check, before realising it's not coherent, then he claimed vig
5 - he didn't post much this game but is over defensive the moment someone talks about him being scummy. KSC stating he was the main force behind rayn and LT's lynches is LOL worthy
We need to lynch him sooner or later. Not over 100% mafia Chezinu, but maybe tomorrow.
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Actually OWS: if you're town, then KSC is probably the last mafia if there are 5 mafias. So I think you should nuke KSC; there is a chance the game is won at deadline, if KSC is the last mafia and Damdred wincon is compatible win town wincon.
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Wow it's a fucking great plan.
Lynch Chezinu and nuke KSC.
If KSC is mafia and the game is not over, lynch Damdred the next day.
If KSC is town, lynch OWS probably (could change obv).
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Fuck. That's why I wanted everybody to read my cases before I started thinking about something else - -' now I cluttered the thread again.
Chezinu is 100% mafia. So I don't want to discuss something else before I'm sure he's going to be lynched today.
So I'll put my thoughts on hold until he has enough votes on him.
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If someone starts talking to me about my read on KSC or my proposition to lynch Damdred if 5 mafias are flipped BEFORE voting Chezinu or talking to me about Chezinu I'm going to be super mad at him.
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On August 28 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote:
hey rels can you talk to me more about your ksc read?
funny =D
sry to disappoint you, all I had is written above
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OK then OWS; do you think Chezinu is scum ?
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On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake. On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless.
So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ?
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And yes, the analysis is exactly "OWS shot the nuke 1 minute after nuke deadline, while he was in the thread for 7 hours, made 17 posts, and none of them looked like he was really thinking about who to lynch. BTW, Breshke who made this observation in his second to last post is now dead."
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On August 28 2015 23:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:15 Rels wrote:
OK then OWS; do you think Chezinu is scum ? He's my current most likely candidate, yes.
Vote him then
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On August 28 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake. On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless. So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ?
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