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n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 27 2015 04:34 GMT
#1121
On July 27 2015 13:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 13:18 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 11:37 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2015 11:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am a veteran.


Not surprised at all.
Figured you were either medic saved or the veteran.
To me you were the NK target 100%, which means you are on point..

This is another thing that is likely, but not certain. Mafia didn't kill Kelsier on Night 1 of the last Newbie game because he was right about things YET. Mafia said they killed him because they were afraid he would figure everything out LATER. Could be the same case here with rayn, if he's a player of strong reputation.
On July 27 2015 11:37 ruXxar wrote:
Someone might say "but oh, mafia have a role blocker, why didn't they just role block rayn then shoot him?"
I don't think mafia thinks like that.

*shrug* They probably do if they were in Newbie XII, which used a similar setup, and which contained a lot of discussion about how idiotic it would be for the Mafia to not roleblock their target, in a setup they know contains a Veteran. So assuming rayn's Vet claim is legit (obviously if there is another Vet or a Doctor out there somewhere, they should counter-claim him) then I think we either have: a Mafia team that is dumb, a Mafia team that wasn't in Newbie XII and just didn't think about it (and if they have a coach, the coach didn't bring it up either) or a Mafia team that decided to swing for the fences, because of the Day 1 result, as you hypothesized. I don't think that hypothesis is AS bad as Ticktock does. It's at least within the realm of possibility. Especially if they were reading rayn as Vanilla for some reason or other.


Yeah i havent been right yet. Good comparison.
I just singlehandedly lynched mafia.

*sigh* The Barakos lynch is no longer relevant, when a Scum team is evaluating whether you are right about things YET. There's a reason why ruXxar went and dug up your night reads. If he's right that you were targeted for being "on point" then those are what matter, not the fact that you were part of the Barakos lynch.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 27 2015 05:36 GMT
#1122
Day 2 Votecount

(2) MoosyDoosy: TicTock, Sulfurus
(1) Sulfurus: N00bKing
(1) TicTock: Raynpelikoneet

Not voting: (8) MoosyDoosy, Rels, ruXxar, disinformation, NocturneMage, scott31337, Damdred, Breshke


University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:19 GMT
#1123
Hello! Pretty pumped about no kill. (= Welcome scott!

I have a few things to post so let's start.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:23 GMT
#1124
First, rayn has claimed veteran. What I'm going to say is pretty obvious, but better safe than sorry.

That means he's 100% confirmed town starting now.

If you (reading this obvious but amazing post) are either the veteran or the doctor, that means rayn is mafia and has infinite town credits. If that is the case, you need to claim now.

And the follow up to this rule is:

If someone claims veteran or doctor after the end of this day, they should not be believed and automatically auto-lynched.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:25 GMT
#1125
Second, I was roleblocked.

My potential night actions were:

On July 26 2015 17:39 Rels wrote:
Alright first thing about actions:

If I was cop I would check noobking.
If I was vig I would shoot Flexes.


So I believe one of these two is mafia.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 07:26 GMT
#1126
On July 27 2015 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 12:58 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 10:24 Tictock wrote:
Nice save medic!

Seems pretty likely that we have Doc/Cop setup going, slim chance of a Vigi who held their shot (which you shouldn't do if your a vigi).

Guess Vigilante could also have been roleblocked. But yeah, Cop seems more likely. Then again, Doctor was more likely than Veteran, and we have a Veteran claim now, so you never know.

How the fuck was doctor more likely than a veteran?!?!?!?


Here's how:

Veteran is given to a townie at random.
A medic save can be directed.
The list of reasonable NK targets is smaller than all the players in the game.
Therefore the chance that a medic saved a potential NK target is higher than mafia randomly hitting a veteran.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 07:28 GMT
#1127
Ebwop; meh, take out the mafia from potential NK and you know whet I mean.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:28 GMT
#1128
Third, after noobking affirmed I lied, I posted this.

On July 27 2015 04:00 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 03:55 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 03:52 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 03:49 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 03:38 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 03:35 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 03:31 Rels wrote:
So what you said:
"Rels said his post didn't require thought".
"Rels said his post required thought".
Is not what happened.

The situation is:
"Rels said each remarks in his post didn't require thought" (in response to you BTW. The original case does NOT care if each separate remark are cut off thoughts or not)
"Rels said his post required thought 'cause there are remarks on three different subjects".

I'm going to label this as "Rels having fun with semantics."

And I am going to label it as "the 3rd time Rels has been forced to retcon a story, after there being 5 times he has contradicted himself."

LOL

Actually that makes me relieved, I'm now sure you're mafia 'cause no way townie behaves like that. (=

*eyeroll* Would love to see you try and explain how and why that isn't EXACTLY how a townie behaves. If you paid me 10 bucks to come up with a different reasonable reaction from a Town player, I'm not sure there IS one.

Don't have to look very far. Lying about me lying. Ad hominem attacks on me.

Accusing me of ad hominem is absurd. I attack your posts. Anything I say about your character can be freely discarded without it weakening my arguments against you one iota. And I am not lying about you lying. You're caught in a lie. And caught badly enough that you had to resort to a third retcon job.

Alright I hate how you play. You accuse me with arguments; I answer it with arguments; then you go around saying I lie as if what I said was worthless.

So I want you to do the following.

Describe very synthetically (1 sentence if possible) how I lied, without all the fluff that you usually post around it. Tomorrow I'll take the time to make a post explaining how you're wrong.


Amazingly, this may be the only post addressed to him he didn't answer. That is super suspicious.

So, noobking: please do what you were requested to. 1 sentence without fluff explaining my lie.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:31 GMT
#1129
On July 27 2015 16:26 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 27 2015 12:58 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 10:24 Tictock wrote:
Nice save medic!

Seems pretty likely that we have Doc/Cop setup going, slim chance of a Vigi who held their shot (which you shouldn't do if your a vigi).

Guess Vigilante could also have been roleblocked. But yeah, Cop seems more likely. Then again, Doctor was more likely than Veteran, and we have a Veteran claim now, so you never know.

How the fuck was doctor more likely than a veteran?!?!?!?


Here's how:

Veteran is given to a townie at random.
A medic save can be directed.
The list of reasonable NK targets is smaller than all the players in the game.
Therefore the chance that a medic saved a potential NK target is higher than mafia randomly hitting a veteran.

I love when things stay the same. =D

On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others?


Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking.

If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions.

At least that is what I think.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:37 GMT
#1130
Finally, WTF ???

On July 27 2015 12:00 Tictock wrote:
Also I'm pretty sure rayn was making a joke.


Super weird.

OK we now have time to think and discuss. Available to discuss anything; in the meantime I'll reread filters.

Reminder: not available (outside of phone posting like yesterday) this evening and tomorrow evening.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 07:37 GMT
#1131
On July 27 2015 16:25 Rels wrote:
Second, I was roleblocked.

My potential night actions were:

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 17:39 Rels wrote:
Alright first thing about actions:

If I was cop I would check noobking.
If I was vig I would shoot Flexes.


So I believe one of these two is mafia.

Rels buddy I never doubted you're town! I'm so happy right now

Also multiple people said shoot flexes which is not why you hit role blocked.
You got role blocked because mafia thought you were the cop.

Who said that n00b was a good check this game?
I think only you and rayn if I remember correctly.(he changed check later)
(On phone can't check)

You could also be role blocked simply for talking about cop checks.
I will investigate this later tonight.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:40 GMT
#1132
On July 27 2015 16:37 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 16:25 Rels wrote:
Second, I was roleblocked.

My potential night actions were:

On July 26 2015 17:39 Rels wrote:
Alright first thing about actions:

If I was cop I would check noobking.
If I was vig I would shoot Flexes.


So I believe one of these two is mafia.

Rels buddy I never doubted you're town! I'm so happy right now

Also multiple people said shoot flexes which is not why you hit role blocked.
You got role blocked because mafia thought you were the cop.

Who said that n00b was a good check this game?
I think only you and rayn if I remember correctly.(he changed check later)
(On phone can't check)

You could also be role blocked simply for talking about cop checks.
I will investigate this later tonight.

Hehe happy to be playing with you. (=

Of the top of my head I think only rayn and I suggested noob to be checked, and only I suggested him alone. May be mistaken though.

Of course I could have been rb for WIFOM, but if WIFOM means they didn't roleblock the veteran good for us. =D
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 07:45 GMT
#1133
I have a paranoia team in my head of tictock + n00bking haha.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:46 GMT
#1134
@TT

On July 27 2015 12:00 Tictock wrote:
Also I'm pretty sure rayn was making a joke.


Can you expand on the reasons of you believing rayn was joking ?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 27 2015 07:49 GMT
#1135
On July 27 2015 16:26 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 27 2015 12:58 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 10:24 Tictock wrote:
Nice save medic!

Seems pretty likely that we have Doc/Cop setup going, slim chance of a Vigi who held their shot (which you shouldn't do if your a vigi).

Guess Vigilante could also have been roleblocked. But yeah, Cop seems more likely. Then again, Doctor was more likely than Veteran, and we have a Veteran claim now, so you never know.

How the fuck was doctor more likely than a veteran?!?!?!?

Here's how:

Veteran is given to a townie at random.
A medic save can be directed.
The list of reasonable NK targets is smaller than all the players in the game.
Therefore the chance that a medic saved a potential NK target is higher than mafia randomly hitting a veteran.

Correct.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:49 GMT
#1136
On July 27 2015 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Scott if you are the vigilante i suggest you claim.

@scott

Please don't

Don't confirm or deny or comment on you being cop or vig today please. Unless you have a red check or you're getting lynched.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 07:55 GMT
#1137
Like, look at how the pushes are going:

At this point mafia have to work together.
They absolutely do not want to lose another member at this point.

I feel like tic tictock and n00bking were the only ones to try and resist the Barakos lynch.
They also both strongly suggested that Barakos was being bussed, which I think is the wrong conclusion.
And they also have these weird interactions with each other where they mind meld on this bussing idea and other ideas.

I think there could be something going on here.
Will check later
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:57 GMT
#1138
@NocturneMage:
On July 24 2015 03:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Having read other games, seems like some people lose their heads in this game?

What other games did you read ?
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 08:00 GMT
#1139
@moosy I would love to push you, but it feels almost too easy.
I really don't like how you respond with "I'm mafia".
I don't know why you're doing that if you're trying to get town read.

There's plenty of time to push you later after I considered everything else.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:06 GMT
#1140
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal.
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