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n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 18:40 GMT
#2441
On August 01 2015 22:36 disformation wrote:
Here we either have an incredible bus by Breshke or Sulfurus (don't really think so though). I am still on Sulf because my last minute vote didn't go through. Might make me look a bit worse for trying to get last minute town cred or something. Otherwise we are left with Rels, n00bKing and ruXxar.

So yeah... unless Sulfurus or Breshke set up some really sick busses D1 AND D3 we are pretty much left with n00bKing or ruXxar. Shocking.
Other opinions? Did I miss something?

Breshke was AFK at the end of Day 3. Read the end of Day 3. There is never a post from him after Mage returns to the thread. It's not a bus, it's an accident. Day 1 was a bus, and Breshke was one of the 3 players (Rels, Sulfurus, Breshke) that Ticktock and I have been saying for the ENTIRE game were in the prime bussing slots when Barakos goes down.

And you can't be "left with n00bKing" when there seems to be a huge Town Case that explains why I'm not Scum, and when I'm the whole reason NM got lynched!

Damdred was trying to push Mage earlier in the day, but he was doing it by piddlin' around with weaksauce posts like this one:
Damdred wrote: 1) He really has been super side lined all game.
2) The only halfway scum read flipped mafia Barajas had was on mages and town reads on what I consider town players. And as we know new s um players have an easier time scum reading scum.
3) Super poor re entrance d2 lynch only talked about scum breshke basically. Saw you up for lynch breahje voted to lynch you right before he voted ai he couldn't of missed it voted with breahke.
4) Didn't care around lynch voted and left
5) Didn't care about night phase

Is that what is supposed to qualify as a "Scum Case" on someone around here? That's pretty limp. As someone who was ALREADY scumreading NM (and had been for a while) I read Damdred's "case" on NM and said: MEH. That doesn't make me interested in lynching NM.

I, on the other hand, posted arguments against NM that give people a reason to vote against him that they can understand and feel good about. And when Damdred wavered on NM and thought he might want to lynch Sulfurus instead, I kept pushing him (and everyone) back to NM as the best target.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 01 2015 18:42 GMT
#2442
You know noob you are really going about this the wrong way, literally youa re attacking every person whos somewhat trying to figure the game out.

Oh well I guess
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 18:49 GMT
#2443
On August 01 2015 22:54 disformation wrote:
Uuuuh. Just got this idea while shower. This is a bit wifomy, but kinda makes sense in my head right now:
Did you notice which scum role is left? roleblocker...
So. Let us say n00bKing is the roleblocker. He just lost a teammate D1. His other teammate is not that active. He knows there is a vet and a cop in the game. Rels says he would check n00bKing if he is the cop. He panics and judges the danger of a potential redcheck on D2 to be higher than hitting the vet. He blocks Rels.
D2 he notices he has screwed up badly and tries to invent a ploy, where he can spin this to his advantage.

Dude...come ON. There WAS no danger of Rels the Cop turning in a check on me. I cannot possibly have "panicked" and thought that Rels is a Cop who would turn in a check on me, after he makes the post he did in the Night Phase.

And you think my "ploy" could have been made up after the fact? If it's just something I made up on the fly, after making the "mistake" of roleblocking Rels, then why is the logic SO perfect? No one is lucky enough to have the RB on Rels be that Town-indicative for me, if I "notice" my "mistake" on Day 2 and then try to invent a way for it to work in my favor.

Read this:

+ Show Spoiler +

#2) Rels was roleblocked

It's been hypothesized that I could have roleblocked Rels because I was afraid that he was a Cop that was going to turn in a check on me. I find this absurd, because Rels said that if he was the Cop, he would...turn in a check on me. And he offered no other suggestions to the Cop. Have any of you ever made a post like that as the Cop, and then turned in an action that was exactly what you said you'd do? I never have. And I've never seen anyone else do it, either. And I don't expect I ever will. "Common sense" says I won't.

Further, it doesn't make any sense that I would spend Day 1 and Night 1 building a case on Rels, and then roleblock him, in a setup with a guaranteed Scum roleblocker and no Town roleblocker. It would undo all of the work I'd done up to that point to try and make him look suspicious, flushing all of that work down the toilet. It would also destroy my own credibility as a scum-hunter, because I look like a donkey for having scumread him all that time, once the roleblock makes him confirmed Town. People would be less likely to listen to who I think we should lynch, because I had been so wrong about Rels. This would make it harder to get the mislynches I would need to come back from the bad start. Scum does not give up control over future lynches just for the sake of WIFOM.

Rels had indicated that although roleblocking or killing him WOULD be terrible for a scum n00bKing, maybe I would have felt compelled to do it anyway, just to avoid the threat of him being a Cop that was about to get a redcheck on me. He phrased that like this:
Rels wrote: I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check.

But that's just bad math. Of course there is a choice of not doing that, even IF I think there's a chance that Rels might check me, if he were to be the Cop.

Roleblocking/killing Rels has a 100% chance of being bad for me if I'm Scum, because of how him becoming confirmed Town wrecks my credibility as a scum-hunter. Yes, the red check would suck MORE, but Rels becoming confirmed Town absolutely sucks. 100% chance that it sucks. Whereas, the chances of Rels being Cop were only 10%. And the chances of Rels being Cop and turning in a check on me (when that's exactly what he said he would do if he were the Cop) are even less than 10%.

If I'm Scum and lost Barakos on Day 1, I cannot do something that has a 100% chance of sucking for me. That's not how to make up ground. I have to take that less than 10% chance of Rels being the Cop and redchecking me (IF I'm the roleblocker and not the Godfather. Otherwise, that less than 10% chance is 0%.) So this is not a close call. This is not a tough decision. There is NO...WAY that I would roleblock Rels. Can't afford it.

Why is Rels more likely to be the Cop than other people who suggested a Cop check on me, anyway? As I've outlined, he's actually LESS likely to be Cop than other players. But he certainly isn't MORE likely. So why roleblock HIM, when that's the only roleblock target that destroys everything I've done up to that point?

As mentioned earlier in the thread, there were a total of 4 players who either mentioned the idea of me being a Cop check, or mentioned me as possible scum. They were: rayn, Rels, ruXxar, and Sulfurus.

I made this post:

+ Show Spoiler +
If I roleblock Sulfurus...eliminates him as a strong mislynch candidate. Sucks for me a little, since I had expressed some suspicion of him.

If I roleblock rayn...no problem! This works great! He was the strongest advocate for the Barakos lynch, and was being townread pretty widely.

If I roleblock you (ruXxar)....no problem! This works great! You were already being DumbTown-read pretty widely.

If I roleblock Rels...it WRECKS MY WHOLE FUCKING GAME TO THIS POINT.

If I am Scum, HOW on Earth did that roleblock target get turned in?!!


And none of my accusers ever made a PEEP in response to it. NOTHING. Because there's no explaining how I pick Rels as the potential Cop to roleblock, over the others. It doesn't make any sense. The roleblock on Rels is powerful evidence that I am Town.


And I'll say again:
When it comes to "evidence" that you have to THINK about, instead of just "proof" that comes directly from the game mechanics, Point #2 is some of the most compelling evidence of a player being Town that you'll ever see in one of these games.

Point #1 was also strengthened (to the point where it becomes too much to ignore) when Moosy did indeed flip Town. Barakos flipped Red, Moosy flipped Green. There is NO way to explain my Day 1 play if I'm Scum.

And we can add Point #7, which is all the work I put in to get Mage lynched on Day 3.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 01 2015 18:52 GMT
#2444
ummmm yeah, you should probably just start saying who you think is scum and why instead of crying out how great a job you did or why x posts suck.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 01 2015 19:03 GMT
#2445
On August 02 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote:
ummmm yeah, you should probably just start saying who you think is scum and why instead of crying out how great a job you did or why x posts suck.


Agreed. If I remember right n00bKing wanted to solve the game with a surefire case on NMs partner. If he spends all night defending himself I kinda want to lynch him for obstruction of town agenda.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 19:05 GMT
#2446
On August 01 2015 23:09 disformation wrote:
also: why is n00bKing voting for the hero who saved him?

He stopped saving me, and moved his vote TO me. I had specifically said that the only way I would vote Sulfurus was for self-preservation. And that otherwise, I thought Mage was our guy. And then Sulfurus tried to kill me. I was in the vote lead, and I moved for self-preservation, just as I had said I would.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 19:06 GMT
#2447
On August 01 2015 23:15 Damdred wrote:
The only thing I could say there is that noob is trying to save himself which is nai, however it is a fair point that noob shows 0 confussion paranoia etc when he flips onto mages.

When who flips onto Mage? What do you mean?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 01 2015 19:07 GMT
#2448
he moved to save himself now, why would mafia sulf then move back to his partner instead of staying on you after I said hey lets get back on mages and sulf, myself scott moved back and killed mages.

What is the mafia motivation in that situation when he to was acting in self preservation with only a minute and a half for a switch?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 19:07 GMT
#2449
On August 01 2015 23:20 ruXxar wrote:
Btw if I'm mafia here I just concede, there's no fucking way for me to win from this position if I'm mafia.

lol, and if I'm mafia here I would have conceded at the end of Day 1. I didn't sign up to play from the Mafia side of a 10/2 setup. No thanks.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 19:09 GMT
#2450
On August 02 2015 02:55 Rels wrote:
On thing I see from looking at this vote recaps is that NM piled on Sulfurus D2, so another townie point to Sulfu. In day 1 NocturneMage waited until the very last moment to bus; I can't imagine him bussing Sulfurus so early when there are already one mafia down AND he didn't bus Barakos early.

Correct. This is part of the reason why I said Damdred's Mage/Sulfurus team didn't make sense to me. There are other reasons as well, to be skeptical of that combination.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 01 2015 19:10 GMT
#2451
On August 02 2015 04:05 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2015 23:09 disformation wrote:
also: why is n00bKing voting for the hero who saved him?

He stopped saving me, and moved his vote TO me. I had specifically said that the only way I would vote Sulfurus was for self-preservation. And that otherwise, I thought Mage was our guy. And then Sulfurus tried to kill me. I was in the vote lead, and I moved for self-preservation, just as I had said I would.

You are saying the reason Sulfurus voted you was NOT self preservation ?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 19:11 GMT
#2452
On August 02 2015 03:11 Damdred wrote:
So yeah so much for noob helping us solve the game here I gues?

What are you talking about? I told you the scum team on Day 3, before Mage ever flipped. And whaddya know? He flipped Red, just like I said.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 01 2015 19:17 GMT
#2453
On August 02 2015 04:10 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 04:05 n00bKing wrote:
On August 01 2015 23:09 disformation wrote:
also: why is n00bKing voting for the hero who saved him?

He stopped saving me, and moved his vote TO me. I had specifically said that the only way I would vote Sulfurus was for self-preservation. And that otherwise, I thought Mage was our guy. And then Sulfurus tried to kill me. I was in the vote lead, and I moved for self-preservation, just as I had said I would.

You are saying the reason Sulfurus voted you was NOT self preservation ?


Sometimes I love you rels, i'm a big fan of yours
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 01 2015 19:18 GMT
#2454
On August 02 2015 04:11 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 03:11 Damdred wrote:
So yeah so much for noob helping us solve the game here I gues?

What are you talking about? I told you the scum team on Day 3, before Mage ever flipped. And whaddya know? He flipped Red, just like I said.


Btw did you scum read nm d2? or when did you decide that?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 01 2015 20:06 GMT
#2455
If I die during th enight for some reason, make sur enoob answers the questions that were posted.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 20:42 GMT
#2456
On August 02 2015 03:42 Damdred wrote:
You know noob you are really going about this the wrong way, literally youa re attacking every person whos somewhat trying to figure the game out.

I don't know what you mean. I'm posting all of the observations about how the Day played out. The ones that support my intended lynch target, AND the ones that don't. I'm presenting all of the evidence as it actually stands, and not just the evidence that motivates people to lynch the player I think they should. And you're complaining?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 20:44 GMT
#2457
On August 02 2015 04:07 Damdred wrote:
he moved to save himself now, why would mafia sulf then move back to his partner instead of staying on you after I said hey lets get back on mages and sulf, myself scott moved back and killed mages.

No shit, how many times do I have to say that I don't think Sulfurus is Mage's partner? And how LONG have I been saying that? I've been saying that since Night ONE.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 20:45 GMT
#2458
On August 02 2015 04:10 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 04:05 n00bKing wrote:
On August 01 2015 23:09 disformation wrote:
also: why is n00bKing voting for the hero who saved him?

He stopped saving me, and moved his vote TO me. I had specifically said that the only way I would vote Sulfurus was for self-preservation. And that otherwise, I thought Mage was our guy. And then Sulfurus tried to kill me. I was in the vote lead, and I moved for self-preservation, just as I had said I would.

You are saying the reason Sulfurus voted you was NOT self preservation ?

No?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
August 01 2015 20:47 GMT
#2459
On August 02 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 04:11 n00bKing wrote:
On August 02 2015 03:11 Damdred wrote:
So yeah so much for noob helping us solve the game here I gues?

What are you talking about? I told you the scum team on Day 3, before Mage ever flipped. And whaddya know? He flipped Red, just like I said.

Btw did you scum read nm d2? or when did you decide that?

When did I begin scum reading NM, or when did I decide that Breshke was his partner? I began scumreading NM during Night 1. I didn't decide Breshke was his partner until late in Day 3, after seeing how Mage responded to having the vote lead, and answered my question of whether he was the Cop or not.
Damdred wrote:If I die during th enight for some reason, make sur enoob answers the questions that were posted.

Maybe you should make you that YOU answer the questions that were posed to YOU.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
August 01 2015 21:14 GMT
#2460
On August 02 2015 02:51 Rels wrote:
Vote recaps


Day 1 final vote

barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Damdred, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, n00bKing, NocturneMage
MoosyDoosy (2): ruXxar, Rels, Tictock, ruXxar
NocturneMage (0): Rels
ruxxar (0): n00bKing
rels (0): n00bKing
raynpelikoneet (0): ruXxar
Not voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes

+ Show Spoiler +

Day 1 vote recap

H00M25 n00bKing voted for ruXxar
H09M19 raynpelikoneet voted for Barakos
H10M53 Rels voted for NocturneMage
H15M45 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy
H17M47 Rels unvoted
H17M47 Rels voted for MoosyDoosy
H18M59 Rels unvoted
H21M06 disformation voted for Barakos
H22M14 Damdred voted for barakos
H22M59 n00bKing unvoted
H22M59 n00bKing voted for Rels
H26M49 Breshke voted for Barakos
H26M57 Sulfurus voted for Barakos
H33M53 Rels voted for Barakos
H35M31 Tictock voted for MoosyDoosy
H39M06 ruXxar unvoted
H39M06 ruXxar voted for rayn
H40M12 ruXxar unvoted
H40M12 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy
H46M04 n00bKing unvoted
H46M04 n00bKing voted for Barakos
H46M20 NocturneMage voted for Barakos


Day 2 final vote

MoosyDoosy (1): TicTock, Sulfurus, ruXxar, Breshke, ruXxar
sulfurus (0): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337, n00bKing
TicTock (7): raynpelikoneet, scott31337, Rels, raynpelikoneet, ruXxar, scott31337, Sulfurus, disformation, raynpelikoneet, Damdred, Breshke
n00bking (0): ruXxar
breshke (0): TicTock
scott31337 (1): TicTock, Damdred, disformation, Breshke, MoosyDoosy, n00bKing, NocturneMage, raynpelikoneet
NocturneMage (2): Damdred, TicTock, MoosyDoosy, scott31337
rels (1): n00bKing

+ Show Spoiler +

Day 2 vote recap

H04M48 TicTock voted for MoosyDoosy
H05M33 Sulfurus voted for MoosyDoosy
H06M04 n00bKing voted for Sulfurus
H06M08 raynpelikoneet voted for TicTock
H11M01 disformation voted for Sulfurus
H11M50 Rels voted for Sulfurus
H16M47 MoosyDoosy voted for Sulfurus
H16M57 NocturneMage voted for Sulfurus
H20M16 scott31337 voted for Sulfurus
H22M46 scott31337 unvoted
H22M46 scott31337 voted for TicTock
H23M07 disformation unvoted
H24M01 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy
H26M12 ruXxar unvoted
H26M12 ruXxar voted for n00bking
H32M49 TicTock unvoted
H32M49 TicTock voted for Breshke
H34M01 Rels unvoted
H34M01 Rels voted for TicTock
H35M35 TicTock unvoted
H35M35 TicTock voted for scott31337
H37M25 Breshke voted for MoosyDoosy
H40M24 ruXxar unvoted
H40M24 ruXxar voted for TicTock
H44M03 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy (fake vote)
H44M43 Damdred voted for scott31337
H44M53 disformation voted for scott31337
H45M07 Breshke unvoted
H45M07 Breshke voted for scott31337
H45M20 MoosyDoosy unvoted
H45M20 MoosyDoosy voted for scott31337
H45M27 n00bKing unvoted
H45M27 n00bKing voted for scott31337
H45M27 NocturneMage unvoted
H45M27 NocturneMage voted for scott31337
H46M06 Damdred unvoted
H46M06 Damdred voted for NocturneMage
H46M30 TicTock unvoted
H46M30 TicTock voted for NocturneMage
H46M30 MoosyDoosy unvoted
H46M30 MoosyDoosy voted for NocturneMage
H46M31 scott31337 unvoted
H46M31 scott31337 voted for NocturneMage
H46M32 disformation unvoted
H46M51 scott31337 unvoted
H46M51 scott31337 voted for TicTock
H46M56 Sulfurus unvoted
H46M56 Sulfurus voted for TicTock
H47M05 disformation voted for TicTock
H47M19 raynpelikoneet unvoted
H47M19 raynpelikoneet voted for scott31337
H47M26 raynpelikoneet unvoted
H47M26 raynpelikoneet voted for TicTock
H47M27 Damdred unvoted
H47M27 Damdred voted for TicTock
H47M35 Breshke unvoted
H47M35 Breshke voted for TicTock
H47M57 n00bKing unvoted
H47M57 n00bKing voted for Sulfurus
H47M57 n00bKing unvoted
H47M57 n00bKing voted for Rels


Day 3 final vote

NocturneMage (4): Breshke, Sulfurus, Damdred, scott31337
Sulfurus (3): Rels, disformation, n00bKing
n00bking (2): ruXxar, NocturneMage

+ Show Spoiler +

Day 2 vote recap
Aaaaa no fucking timestamps

ruXxar voted for n00bking
scott31337 voted for n00bking
MoosyDoosy voted for MoosyDoosy
Damdred voted for NocturneMage
Breshke voted for MoosyDoosy
Rels voted for n00bKing
disformation voted for NocturneMage
Sulfurus voted for n00bKing
n00bKing voted for NocturneMage

Looks really bad for n00b here - d1 after Rels votes and Barakos is probably toast they go for the phat bus. We know now mafia NM bussed here.
D2 he knows TT is town and is toast so he doesn't vote for him and tosses his vote so he doesn't look as bad. NM afk votes me (wasted vote too)
D3 NM wagon probably pure as fuck
Only thing going for N00b is NM voted for him but after shennanies NM gets lynched anyway but now he wants mad NM props

Just don't get tunneled - re-read the game if you have to - We should be okay - I BELIEVE IN YOU!!
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
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