EPTKSC, assuming I didn't misunderstand marv, he is saying his evidence for the clarity lynch was faulty, but in any case I have to re-read wos/clarity again, wos's posting so far objectively I can see being made as either alignment and compared to those more experienced with him I'm not entirely sure what to look for. Thing is, I know in other threads (not in other games, I've never actually played with him before) he's criticised his own town game, so I don't know if he really is a poor town player.
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KSC, assuming I didn't misunderstand marv, he is saying his evidence for the clarity lynch was faulty, but in any case I have to re-read wos/clarity again, wos's posting so far objectively I can see being made as either alignment and compared to those more experienced with him I'm not entirely sure what to look for. Thing is, I know in other threads (not in other games, I've never actually played with him before) he's criticised his own town game, so I don't know if he really is a poor town player. | ||
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On July 07 2015 21:26 KelsierSC wrote: So HtS had you just ignored clarity for the game so far? in response to your question, I liked the read from damdred at the start, but since then it has felt very lazy to stick to it if you take my meaning. Damdred is better at reading LS than me but it feels incorrect here. I did not pay too much attention to Clarity largely because most of his interactions were before I entered the thread (I was still in Spain when the game started). I don't want to ignore him though. Nothing seems off about his vote/unvote about ritoky except for the fact he's not mentioned anything on ritoky prior to his voting. The "pussy" comment he makes sounds like a cop-out to him evaluating ritoky's gameplay closely but it could be also lazy town, and not knowing him it's hard to tell. | ||
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On July 07 2015 21:26 KelsierSC wrote: in response to your question, I liked the read from damdred at the start, but since then it has felt very lazy to stick to it if you take my meaning. Damdred is better at reading LS than me but it feels incorrect here. Alright, basically you are saying Damdred needs to evaluate other people. Thing is, I think he was. He was pushing ritoky through the ritoky dt claim and he was also pushing Trfel. He was scumreading Clarity at some point if I recall right. At this point I disagree with the baiting points made against him, but I think some follow-through on Trfel (I know he's posted since he AFKed and I went to bed) from his end would also be nice. LS has made drug references as both alignments, and in Himalayas demonstrated that he buckles under pressure as town, but his responses to Trfel don't show he's looking at ritoky beyond the dt claim (esp limited shot) - he used meta for instance to review my own (miller) claim but I didn't see where he did the same for ritoky. There was something else he said to Trfel that I thought was bad, and legit I felt caused him to change his read, and I know that was entirely separate from what Damdred commented on. | ||
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Note to self - review WoS/Clarity again. | ||
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....and I'm out. A load of stuff at work, but will do my best today. Milo if you can answer those questions that would be grand, though I get the impression you might be asleep atm... :/ | ||
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On July 07 2015 22:58 Holyflare wrote: but in general I'd say it's a lot of responding to points about things and not really having the motivation to do it any further. It's like giving the answers about what people normally do and making no conclusions. The one person she did it on was Milo and that looked a bit meh to me. Distinctly false. I pushed ritoky as well, and I still think he's scum now. This is part of what I mean about selective reasoning. Also the point on BM, he didn't do jack all in Himalayas, but in this game, he posted the wanderer claim and then AFKed. That's the difference here. I was willing to believe it when he first posted but I also had an expectation there'd be more from him. I don't even know what disingenuous even means but there's a difference here that is worthy being pointed out - if he is going to claim a town role, does he have the behaviour to back it up or is he just skating by? Marv is saying (from prior knowledge) it's possible. So calling that read poor is also pretty selective reasoning on HF's end. If he had posted nothing at all then HF might have a valid point against me. Obviously BM runs the risk of being modkilled but seeing this I needed to respond. That also said, I do agree that a BM lynch, if town, will also gain no information. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:13 KelsierSC wrote: there's like 3 people who have jumped onto this clarity thing, you, HtS and Boxer. Boxer already had clarity as scum so that's ok but you and Hts trying to get onto a case that wasn't even correct is scummy imo. Read the top of page 98. I backed off once he stated it was correct. That was some confusion on my end. Although Palmar is saying otherwise, still I had him on my list of people to review. Also HF, re the point on milo being meh, I'm still waiting for the latest round of his answers to my questions whcih he'd say he'd provide. | ||
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So this aimed at Palmar/marvellosity - On July 07 2015 12:27 milo109 wrote: The rest of the LS read you have not really addressed at all. How can trfel make a case on LS based on the early game but the early game is when he said he doesn't scum read LS? He changed his read on LS because of questions he asked LS about ritoky. Where are they in his case? They do not feature because he is simply reading LS' filter and making scummy narratives from them. --LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight. Trfel isn't even towny. Just not scummy enough to be worth going to the voting thread and changing my vote. I like believing in myself, especially early on. I'll cede that you have probably played with him for than I have, and may be right. First the way he's doign the quotes I'm believing Milo actually says "LS's filtuer is scummy" is where he starts. I am also taking issue with what I have in the bold. First he says there are a dozen posts but then he provides (the bolded) as the reason for LS being mafia? Given his last sentence on Trfel, he's goign to lynch LS for not being convincing? That explanation/justification makes zero sense. Yes a good player as either alignment has to be convincing but that's not exclusive to town so why does he use that as a justification to lynch LS? Something is way off here. I'm not saying this makes LS mafia or not, but this is a huge red flag especially in the event where LS is not mafia. The last sentence is also problematic because clearly others and even HE has weighted somewhat on LS so I have no idea where that sentence is even coming from. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:31 marvellosity wrote: i thought he was saying there that Trfel's narrative on LS wasn't convincing Right but you two commented on his LS read and then I pulled his LS read for that reason. "LS's filter is scummy...Trfel isn't even towny, just not scummy enough...." I get what you are saying but to me the problem on milo's end here is the ls read not the trfel read. The way he split up the quotes is a bit confusing though. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:19 Holyflare wrote: 2) Scott31337 (filter) 3) WaveofShadow (filter) 6) Vivax (filter) 7) Bill Murray (filter) 8) ritoky (filter) 11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) 17) milo109 (filter) 19) Oatsmaster (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) 22) Half The Sky (filter) I think I do want to remove scott too maybe... his list post just made me feel good bolded i would lynch today probably and the rest is because i'm being super lazy and just not reading to get a better idea of On mobile atm but I have two questions for you: I'm reading your filter, you've been pushing Trfel for 11/13 pages of your filter. Then I see a "maybe/maybe not" as your last comment so how did that Trfel read just disappear? Second, milo and ritoky are my top two scum reads. I've been abundantly clear where I stood on both all game. You mean to say that if we are on a scum team together that I'd be bussing two of my teammates? Or put it another way, if you are pushing my lynch you would be voting with me (a scum read) on either milo or ritoky. Does not compute. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:23 marvellosity wrote: just to repeat my earlier request: if anyone can point to posts from ritoky that give you pause to think he might be town, please speak now I'd lynch him or milo, zero issue consolidating on rit. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:29 Harkon wrote: My biggest reservation is still that he apparently did not know that it was majority instead of instant majority (sure, he could have lied about that) and I think a mafia should have known this. I'm not sure I see that as alignment indicative. I know at least 2 others made comments on being surprised it was majority lynch, and knowing ritoky hes capable of lying on that if he is. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote: hehe anyway, milo or HtS are the lynches today, you can take your pick! If you're too lazy to read HtS then that's fine as long as you just admit that Still didn't answer what happened to the ritoky or Trfel reads you had before....yawn.... | ||
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1 I play/approach large games differently than I do minis as either alignment so comparing this game to Not Themed is really weak 2 I have pushed two players (HF can believe whatever he wants to believe on this point, I've again demonstrably shown it) this game so far which happen to be two (now one apparently) of the same players that HF is pushing 3 Large games mean I take more time looking at more people, since it's pretty easy for scummers to skate by. I can see how people can see that as scummy but when necessary I will consolidate on people (and will do now, seeing as people are voting ritoky) that I am finding scummy. | ||
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