EPTSince you are back in thread, do you have any scum reads you are confident or semi-confident on?
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Since you are back in thread, do you have any scum reads you are confident or semi-confident on? | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:33 Trfel wrote: I don't see much reason to scumread Damdred. Yeh I'd like to see Vivax elaborate on where he thought Damdred was trying to trap LS. | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote: If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later. Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote: Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him? On July 06 2015 07:49 Damdred wrote: Oh carp... ls why did you roll scum? Which question(s) are you finding loaded/baitworthy? (He also asked another one about experiences with HF, didn't think that should be an issue.) On July 06 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote: Ok ls, for example you did put a little work in by copy and pasteing his games I will give you that there is a point for you. However I feel like I'm partially repeating myself and I want the thread to go and look at ls at the earliest opportunities look at his scum games. He isn't coming up with his own conclusions he is relying on others to interpret the games before he gives it a go. Clarity, how can you say you really don't want to give out town reads like that when it feels like that's what you did with hf? Rsoultin, your post makes me want to town read you.. On July 06 2015 11:22 Damdred wrote: Yeah see now you just sound fake. for instance Scott has what 8 games played maybe? I haven't counted exactly how many but its a good sample size and all of then are recentish. Now in previous games ls when asked even early on would break out ten tons of meta in the first few pages and come to a conclusion. Whatever game we just played ls did this and I was able to meta him as town in the first few pages and you gave me hell about it until I explained my meta read on him being town which was 100% right. now in that game he metad shockey and went through all his games that were years old to try to get some form of read, he failed to come to a super solid conclussioj but the effort was there with little to go ok and he did the work. Here like I mentioned earlier he had already hinted he was leaning scum on Scott. When confronted with this he 100% shifted all the work to the thread and said here's the games I'll wait to do this till later when that's the opposite of what he normally would do and soon as the thread turned its attention away from ls he dissapeared and fave nothing more. And I'm not sure if you are scum or just bad for acting this way and throwing dirt on me. I'm not seeing anything jump out at me (at least from these quotes) about Damdred being scummy. | ||
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##vote ritoky I'm going to assume he is still in thread... in any case, ritoky, do you have even one scumread you are sure on independent of anyone else? | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:51 Trfel wrote: This is a really bad read. He's playing differently from his town meta. This doesn't mean that he is town, because LightningStrike isn't all that good at imitating his town meta as scum. No one can completely match their town meta as scum... Well I look at that and the question I had here is how he'd know that effort to change his play ISN'T mafia, if a player knows he's getting caught out as mafia (and to an extent LS has) he should be even more inclined to change his play altogether if he rolls scum again. Let's try this differently - this is for ruxxar - what independently of meta (namely are there any quotes/pages/citations from this game) that makes you think he's town. You've played two games total and only one with LS (he didn't play NSM11 I don't think), therefore it is reasonable to assume you cannot reliably meta LS. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:00 ritoky wrote: I think no1 clicked my filter and read the 2nd post in it before the game even started. I don't mind your read, mostly cuz we don't like eachother and you give that read every game that I don't dodge out on cuz you're playing. People who sheeped it that I recall: damdred, kels, hts, hf kels and hts wrote more about I am mafia than I had typed the entire game. Seems pointless. Do you think this makes either of us (KSC or myself) mafia? Do you find any of the above cited's scumreads on you reasonable? I am assuming you understand why you are being scumread. It's not for shits and giggles. | ||
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On June 27 2015 11:35 ritoky wrote: just a note for anyone who cares, i am not going to post much this game, and do my best not to shitpost....it is hard for me, but don't expect 20 page filters. So you don't have to post much, but providing simple reads with simple explanations doesn't mean we're (or at least I) am scumreading you for having a short filter. A short filter is not why I'm scumreading you. You had the 1 in 3 post which some took issue with. My prior argument where you can still be confident on a scumread doesn't require you have a large filter. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:04 ruXxar wrote: You're right I don't have a good meta-read on LS. I'm not trying to meta him. This is what made me like him: Oh dear that quote.... Admittedly LS's sentence is very tenuous but if I'm understanding it correctly, I think I know why he's saying that the way he is. But I've had a great deal of exposure to LS, so I know where that comes from. But you have only played twice with him. Why do you think he's town especially for the bolded? Why would/should any townie care whether a typically townie meta/method/approach would land him in trouble? | ||
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BF, I'm assuming you meant Not Themed and not Himalayas, I did not claim miller in that game, but if you are saying I didn't have hard scum reads like I didn't in that game, I did just try to push ritoky now or at least get him to ask questions and I had to AFK just before (or around the time he claimed). I think Scott and LS already said their pieces on miller claim, but yes as I've learnt I do it so that if there is a DT, they don't waste the check on me. They know the check will come back red, so it's down on people to just look at my gameplay if they don't believe what I say. In general, you should also know I play large games as town differently, as there are more things to take in, I am trying to do a more efficient job of prioritising issues/people, etc, but I have found that difficult too. So it might also look to you I'm casting a wider net or however you put it but it is all too easy to ignore someone you should not be doing in a large game. Take that as you will. In any case, I don't like the ritoky's claim at all (timing particularly) and I still have a scumread on him independent of it. I also don't like his response saying that I was the more likely scum btween myself and KSC. Yes KSC has more "town checks", but did he evaluate my game separately? Whose to say if both of us are town and both of us are scumreading him with good reason that both of us aren't fucking up? His explanation for the 1 in 3 makes a little more sense, and now I'd seen where he's going through some follow up would be nice for that. If he still feels I'm mafia though, I'd like for him to explain why when he also has more time. Unvoting him. Speaking of ruxxar, his response to my series of questions, particularly the last, makes me think for now he's probably town. Trfel criticised the read which is why I further questioned him. I did read through nsm11 filter, but I think his answers resolve for now. Milo is another that I flagged before because of his reads, just zero explanation and he did the exact same thing in Holy Guardians and no one questioned him on it. I lined up a few questions for him and he has yet to return to the thread. It is pretty difficult to push people who aren't in thread, aside from pressure voting them, but not sure if others (aside from Scott) are willing to lynch Milo. He'd be a good one to pressure atm. | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:13 boxerfred wrote: this is the first game where in the first 24 hours, noone scumreads me Oo. #justSaying. good night people. I think you're town. | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote: Look I realize your name is bluehunter but why exactly are you hunting blues? 100% I don't know if you are a smurf or a newbie but if you are a newbie player, dont EVER do this. | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:11 geript wrote: IDK why but I think EBH is VE.Feels very much like VE logic. Including the bluehunting? I can't see VE or any veteran being dumb enough to post the blue reads. | ||
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He also very distinctly sheeped faulty votes in that game as scum (if ritoky should be town), that's another red flag of his scumgame for me. | ||
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Independent of meta, he is sheeping marv, could be a faulty vote. The wanderer claim could be an effort to get people to disregard him but I am concerned seeing not really the town play to back that up. BM, you have any thoughts on his claim? Or ritoky at all? Or anyone else for that matter? | ||
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Milo I want to see explanations for your initial reads: On July 06 2015 11:07 milo109 wrote: I'm mildly certain Kelsier is scum. On July 06 2015 11:20 milo109 wrote: Hmmm. I feel like I should post more but I don't have much more. Leaning town on Holyflare, and I want to call WaveofShadow also town. But I can't. On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote: It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though. My concern on your filter in general is this is pretty much how you played in Holy Guardians when you were mafia. I don't think you had explanations for pretty much any of your reads and several people have opposing opinions or have substantiated them. It is a similar situation here that jumped out at me. Have any of these reads changed? Also any new scumreads since returning to the thread? I disagree with Vivax's read on Damdred after reading Damdred's questions (they looked straightforward to me) and Damdred's responses, he qualifies in detail the differences between a town and a scumread on him. | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:58 Holyflare wrote: eh not sure about breshke tbh so tentative atm General tell is that he's more aggressive as scum with perfect information, I think towards the end of d1 will be more telling as he's usually able to flesh out a scumread or two based on his play. (currently TRing him myself) He's asleep being in Australia, so he'll return soon. | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:47 ruXxar wrote: A thought just struck me about HF and clarity. Willing to give clarity some more time. Top 2 scum atm: Trfel Rsoultin ##Vote Trfel ruXxar, that being....? | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:59 geript wrote: Idk what it is about Palmer. But I think too many people have brought him up seriously for him to likely be mafia. It's possible. But I got a hint of interest from him. Those two things make me think he's likely town. How do you differentiate (like a quote or something) his interest in being town versus his interest as either alignment? I think to his last two games, particularly the large normal Guardians and some people weren't having the greatest towny vibes there either and his vote d1 several cited as particularly suspect. | ||
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Well I hate guessing but if I had to guess you are suggesting that HF and Clarity are mafia together? If you are, why? | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:15 Trfel wrote: Palmar generally plays the game more seriously as scum than as town. Geript's explanation would make sense given his teams in Titanic 7 and Guardians were pretty decent, the former got dicked over by an SK ritoky, but then again, werent' the teams stacked on paper in Assassination and that team just choked massively? Bah I don't know. | ||
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