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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:04 GMT
#5401
On July 12 2015 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 23:59 rsoultin wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:57 ruXxar wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:54 Harkon wrote:
Why are you discussing this shit again? Does anyone think it will be more productive than the last 10 times?


That's why I said I'd come to terms with not getting a clear answer. I don't want to shit up the thread again.


if you can keep a straight head i can? marv's right. i think you're scum right now because of how you've approached me. but maybe i'm just not seeing what you're getting at? so i want you to explain to me which posts made you think i was disrupting people from getting reads on trfel


This is what I'll do.
Since you think the paraphrasing is misrepresenting what you did, I'll just put together the quotes instead.
Give me some time.


not if you're just going to quote everything that's superfluous

if you think the entire behavior as a whole was disruptive, then what don't you get/agree with in my explanation of it? i can requote the post if you don't remember
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:05 GMT
#5402
On July 08 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
okay ruxxar. i've explained it all, but not concisely and not politely because i'm not polite

but i'll do it solely to have it in one place and to say this is the last time i am going to discuss my trfel toneread or my interactions/read on hf, whether you keep ignoring that and tunneling with the same points or not

reasons i'm tonereading truffle town: lightness with me (i catch him as mafia early, see student v where i opened with pressure on truffle for his weird read on ls, and greymist's game), joking that matches his dry humor, grumbling at me for saying i thought he was town (look at it this way: as scum he should be happy that he gets an rsoul townread and finally broke my streak...as town it makes a lot more sense to be irritated that i'm still getting a read off him off very few posts), and yes, not wanting to give an opinion on something he hasn't looked at is actually towny cause truffle holds himself to ridiculously high standards and spends an inordinate amount of time combing through posts before coming to a decision <- all of these things are very personal that i realize other people don't know about him and mean more to me than others, so i didn't go into it, just as i didn't go into it with my early toneread on damdy in himalayas

the first exchange with hf: you're misrepresenting/misreading it. when hf first said he didn't need my opinion i let it go. i was actually discussing things with bresh and truffle when hf said "see, this post means his question to you wasn't trying to determine your alignment"...to which i responded that i didn't think that was the purpose of the question anyway and made a joke about hf forgetting how stubborn i was...he then basically told me to shut up and go into a corner and color, so yeah, i got pissed at him. i actually broke it off BEFORE the mod ever intervened, which frankly was probably for the post hf made right before the mod post...because that was ad hominem to a tee, basically saying no one gives a shit what i say because of my tonereads

subsequently: i came back to the thread scumreading hf because i'd had time to cool down and where he said he was questioning truffle, he actually was saying, and yes i'm paraphrasing "you're scum cause you have mafiaitis. nothing you can say or do will change my mind. you may as well give up". plus the way he just threw shit at me when i wasn't doing anything. usually we only shitfight when he's scum, and i JUST came off a game where he and bugs did that to deliberately put me on tilt cause i'm fiery -_- i kept trying to get people to see what i was seeing and he kept on trying to say i was defending truffle and everyone else was taking that up, and it was supremely frustrating that people kept not understanding what i was trying to say...that hf never intended to get a read off truffle in the first place

that continued with ignoring the fact that truffle was quizzing ls between the time of his townread and scumread on ls and had said he was writing something on him, instead just going hey! look! nothing has happened between these reads! me saying he's not reading was his clue to go back and read. hts did it. she saw it. hf should have. he preferred to fight me instead

the only reason i left off hf was his point on truffle's case all coming from before he dropped the townread was actually good. i even tried to explain what my issue with him was more concisely, which works better when i'm not angry. it's still weird to me that he thinks telling someone they're scum and he won't ever change his mind is pressure, but i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment since yeah, even if he's scum not gonna lynch him d1 like ever >< was more productive to discuss reads

but here i come back to the thread and he's back to jumping on me for nitnoidisms

as for you, you're just parroting him like you two are butt buddies, and it feels a lot like being double-teamed...deja vu bugs and hf...plus i KNOW that you've seen i do this toneread thing and am willing to fight for it regardless if the so-called "evidence" when it comes to an actual lynch; see: GB, so why you find it so weird i'm doing it again this game i can't fathom

most of this i've already said

now i will ignore you unless you talk about something else or are actually willing to talk reads instead of whining about me being pissed at your misrepresentation and inattentiveness

was that polite enough?




also, yeah...i didn't get through the thread @.@ i'd just post a reads list, but it would only be for the sake of posting it cause it's outdated

i really don't like hf still, or ruxx (though this could be OMGUS i'm willing to admit), and damdy felt off to me, too, but i want to read the section of the day i missed that had people scumreading him before i come to a judgment on that

beyond that i think bresh/truffle/marv/geript are top townies for me...would add palmar to that but lol my track record with palmar >< someone else can read him


^ i went into great detail here
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:13 GMT
#5403
...i get the feeling i'm about to see a spoiler full of about 10 pages worth of quotes lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:16 GMT
#5404
On July 11 2015 23:52 Vivax wrote:
rso disrupting people while they try to form reads on others is perfectly within her town meta I can assure you


heh xP you hate this about my play, but i honestly don't see it. like i really don't get how stating my own opinions on things is any different than anyone else stating theirs? not that this really matters, but this is just not the first time you've said something like this lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 11 2015 15:19 GMT
#5405
On July 12 2015 00:13 rsoultin wrote:
...i get the feeling i'm about to see a spoiler full of about 10 pages worth of quotes lol ><


That's not what I'm putting together.
I'm putting together the quotes I based my paraphrasing on, which you said was incorrect and misrepresenting you.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:20 GMT
#5406
On July 12 2015 00:19 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 00:13 rsoultin wrote:
...i get the feeling i'm about to see a spoiler full of about 10 pages worth of quotes lol ><


That's not what I'm putting together.
I'm putting together the quotes I based my paraphrasing on, which you said was incorrect and misrepresenting you.


that's pointless because part of the problem, ruxxar, is you're omitting chunks of the exchange in your "paraphrase" anyway

just explain to me what your problem is? it shouldn't be hard to explain when you've been pushing it this long
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 15:22 GMT
#5407
let him do his thing, and if you don't like what it is, you can have discussion after
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2015 15:24 GMT
#5408
Marv have you read Tina's filter?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:25 GMT
#5409
On July 12 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
let him do his thing, and if you don't like what it is, you can have discussion after


it's less not liking what it is, marv, and more already knowing what he's going to post and i'd rather not spend hours doing something that should be easily resolved or at least explained in 20 minutes ><

him reposting all those posts doesn't explain why he sees them as disruptive or why he's ignoring all the ones in between so it's just not...eh whatever. he's gonna do what he wants anyway
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 15:26 GMT
#5410
well hopefully he can explain it.

and then when you think he's missing soemthing, you can explain that and hopefully he'll be able to see that, or disagree with you for another reason.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 11 2015 15:26 GMT
#5411
On July 12 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 00:19 ruXxar wrote:
On July 12 2015 00:13 rsoultin wrote:
...i get the feeling i'm about to see a spoiler full of about 10 pages worth of quotes lol ><


That's not what I'm putting together.
I'm putting together the quotes I based my paraphrasing on, which you said was incorrect and misrepresenting you.


that's pointless because part of the problem, ruxxar, is you're omitting chunks of the exchange in your "paraphrase" anyway

just explain to me what your problem is? it shouldn't be hard to explain when you've been pushing it this long


Really?
After you said this:
On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.

HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.

The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.

Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.

Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?

go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims

i've answered all your leading questions already

i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me

i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?

lol ><


And this:
On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:
On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:
On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.

HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.

The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.

Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.

Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?

go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims

i've answered all your leading questions already

i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me

i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?

lol ><


I read your interaction just fine.
Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.

1st interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia"
RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure"
HF: "I don't need your opinion RS"
RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!".
HF: "I don't need you go away".
Mod: Interrupts.

2nd interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner"
RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel"
HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning)
RS: "You were trying to shit on me!"
HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information"
RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else"
(topic changed)

3rd interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why".
RS: "HF, you can't read!"
RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!"
HF: "How is that not reading?"
RS: "Trfel already explained it!"
HF: "Explained it how?"
RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?"
HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?"
RS: "You are stupid HF!"
(Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)

It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view.
Once again you're derailing.

I'm not going away anytime soon.


just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^

why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts


On July 08 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote:
On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:
On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:
On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:
On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.

HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.

The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.

Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.

Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?

go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims

i've answered all your leading questions already

i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me

i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?

lol ><


I read your interaction just fine.
Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.

1st interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia"
RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure"
HF: "I don't need your opinion RS"
RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!".
HF: "I don't need you go away".
Mod: Interrupts.

2nd interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner"
RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel"
HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning)
RS: "You were trying to shit on me!"
HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information"
RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else"
(topic changed)

3rd interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why".
RS: "HF, you can't read!"
RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!"
HF: "How is that not reading?"
RS: "Trfel already explained it!"
HF: "Explained it how?"
RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?"
HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?"
RS: "You are stupid HF!"
(Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)

It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view.
Once again you're derailing.

I'm not going away anytime soon.


just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^

why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts


If it's incorrect then you should correct it.
If you don't I'll assume its correct.
I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them.

I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else.

What bias?
This is my interpretation of the events.
I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind.


lol you're never lynching me off a faulty paraphrase, pup, and i don't feel the need to "correct" what is clearly visible just reading the posts

i asked you what other reads you had

an exercise! \o/ you treat me like you're reading me town and i'll treat you like i'm reading you town, even if i don't much believe it...this tunnel of yours is at best wrong and at worst scummy, so give me something else to read you off if you're actually town


I'm going to show that my paraphrasing is correct, because you were trying to discredit me for mis-representing you.
Anyway, back to it.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 15:26 GMT
#5412
On July 12 2015 00:24 geript wrote:
Marv have you read Tina's filter?

not a chance
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:28 GMT
#5413
On July 12 2015 00:24 geript wrote:
Marv have you read Tina's filter?


are you planning on ever posting your read? lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:28 GMT
#5414
should say reasoning, as that would be more accurate
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2015 15:29 GMT
#5415
On July 12 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 00:24 geript wrote:
Marv have you read Tina's filter?

not a chance

Well do it and use control+f to search for Damdred. I just find it really exceptionally odd how often she talks about not liking his LS read (or reads in general) while not seeming to have an opinion on Damdred whatsoever.

rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:32 GMT
#5416
On July 12 2015 00:29 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote:
On July 12 2015 00:24 geript wrote:
Marv have you read Tina's filter?

not a chance

Well do it and use control+f to search for Damdred. I just find it really exceptionally odd how often she talks about not liking his LS read (or reads in general) while not seeming to have an opinion on Damdred whatsoever.



???

i don't ctrl+f my own filter cause that's retarded, but i know that i talked about him quite frequently?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 15:33 GMT
#5417
On July 12 2015 00:29 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote:
On July 12 2015 00:24 geript wrote:
Marv have you read Tina's filter?

not a chance

Well do it and use control+f to search for Damdred. I just find it really exceptionally odd how often she talks about not liking his LS read (or reads in general) while not seeming to have an opinion on Damdred whatsoever.


eh i dunno. that post she explained to me why she didn't like damdred...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:34 GMT
#5418
lol he was basically my only stronger scumlean/suspicion other than hf and ruxx so i'm not really sure where you're getting this, geript
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 15:41 GMT
#5419
oh lol, i figured it out

i usually refer to damdred as "damdy" and sometimes elongate it to "daaaamdy" or something lol

you miss about 50 posts if you spell his name the correct way xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2015 15:43 GMT
#5420
On July 12 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 00:29 geript wrote:
On July 12 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote:
On July 12 2015 00:24 geript wrote:
Marv have you read Tina's filter?

not a chance

Well do it and use control+f to search for Damdred. I just find it really exceptionally odd how often she talks about not liking his LS read (or reads in general) while not seeming to have an opinion on Damdred whatsoever.


eh i dunno. that post she explained to me why she didn't like damdred...

My problem is that I don't actually see a read on him until after the track. Just seems like it's something she wanted to talk about but not really feel.


IDK. Maybe being confirmed is fucking with my head at this point.
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