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I survived both the mafia's and the host's attempt to kill me. I am therefore concluding that I am in fact invincible.
Bow down before me.
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On July 14 2015 17:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 16:53 Harkon wrote:
I survived both the mafia's and the host's attempt to kill me. I am therefore concluding that I am in fact invincible.
Bow down before me. Aren't you the dude who said the cop is confirmed mafia
No, I never said that. Not that it matters anyways. I am way more suspicious of the people suddenly defending milo when the lynch was set btw.
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On July 14 2015 17:10 Trfel wrote:
Harkon, is there an error in my read on ruXxar?
I don't know if it is as ironclad as you seem to think but no, I don't think so.
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On July 14 2015 17:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 17:09 Harkon wrote:On July 14 2015 17:01 Vivax wrote:On July 14 2015 16:53 Harkon wrote:
I survived both the mafia's and the host's attempt to kill me. I am therefore concluding that I am in fact invincible.
Bow down before me. Aren't you the dude who said the cop is confirmed mafia No, I never said that. Not that it matters anyways. I am way more suspicious of the people suddenly defending milo when the lynch was set btw. Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 00:25 Harkon wrote:
We aren't lynching anyone but milo unless someone convinces me that he is not basically confirmed mafia snd I don't think that's even possible. That was when I posted my arguments on scott. And it's ridiculous you wanna scumread people for being right. When the majority of town has been led SO astray that the cop gets lynched there is no fucking reason for them to defend someone they KNOW is cop. It's like a gift.My jimmies are super rustled now that I know I could have actually picked a better lynch than what you and other people suggested on d1 and d3. But I know nobody listens to me even though I would have made a better decision on both days so my motivation is going towards zero as well.
Yes, and that post was in regard to what I said about milo earlier -> he is basically confirmed scum unless there are 2 rbs (which I said was possible but very unlikely) - there is nothing wrong with that statement. If you want to keep throwing shit at confirmed town be my guest though.
The bolded is pretty much complete bs.
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There were no alternatives. Milo would have never gotten a check off and people would always discuss him and try to lynch him later in the game. It was correct to lynch him.
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On July 14 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:An Analysis of the Brussels Sprout Conversation+ Show Spoiler +Background: Oatsmaster mentioned that rsoultin's high usage of "xP" in this game suggests that she is mafia. KelsierSC analyzed several of rsoultin's games as both alignments and concluded that rsoultin uses "xP" more as mafia than as town, and her average in this game matched her town averages. However, he then analyzed only the first four pages of each game, and the "xP" count was not alignment indicative. On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation The post that started the conversation. On July 06 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote:
kelsier is pretty obviously town tbh. On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. It's a simple question, and it has a simple answer. However, as town, rsoultin doesn't care if she argues with people, doesn't care about looking good, tends to answer questions and discuss in a really round-about way, and really doesn't like dealing with people/reads she thinks are stupid. I know you're going to say that rsoultin does this as mafia too, just wait patiently...On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? What rsoultin is saying is fairly obvious, at this point. If someone is smart, and they say/do something that is clearly below their intelligence, then this is a reasonable sign that they are mafia. The problem is that there are many reasons that people can incorrectly read people in this way (applying the method incorrectly, such as incorrect assumptions about people's intelligence, misreading the questions, people simply thinking in different ways, other factors like being high/drunk/etc). But the core of the read is a sensible read. There is no town motivation for intentionally being stupid. On July 06 2015 22:42 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question. On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Swahili, as in that Harkon completely missed rsoultin's answer, as if it were in Swahili. Then rsoultin slightly expands on the same thing. On July 06 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then? On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ On July 06 2015 22:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. Okay yeah lol you can be a brussels sprout if you want ^^ the imitation is spot on On July 06 2015 22:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly That's enough to convey the point. Rsoultin did answer the questions asked of her every single time, just in a very round-about way. And evidently Harkon and marvellosity didn't really understand the answers (or they could have gone straight to the important questions, such as why rsoultin expects more intelligence than this from KelsierSC, how she knows that there isn't some other explanation, why rsoultin isn't paying attention to the effort that KelsierSC used, etc.As town, rsoultin seems to care more about answering questions in her own way and posting in her own way than playing such that other people can easily/clearly see what she is saying. We've talked about this a few times. In Assassination Mafia, this eventually caused her to make a few huge essay-style posts, clearly stating her reads in simple English. Point being that rsoultin seemingly dodging questions and being unhelpful is an issue in communication, and doesn't make her scum. On the contrary, I think that as mafia, rsoultin would be more willing to be helpful and answer questions more clearly, and be less argumentative. Furthermore, there's an element of creativity to these answers that provides hints at the thought process that created her reads, which could be harder to replicate as scum. Although at times it may seem that rsoultin is dodging questions or being unhelpful, this is generally not true. Rsoultin knows how to clearly answer questions, and as scum, she'd be more interested in doing so. The fact that she is still stubbornly playing in her own style, despite being scumread for it, suggests that she is town.
Rsoultin did NOT answer the question in this quote chain. She waffled around the issue saying Kelsier was less towny for something that is not scummy and that she did not even say is scummy.
To the bolded: The only relevant question here is if she thinks that him lacking intelligence makes him scum and why. That is exactly what we asked her and that is what she refused to answer in a straight way. It is as simple as that.
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On July 14 2015 18:53 marvellosity wrote:
tempted just to write off Trfel as town for it
I'm on board. I also like how he starts playing the game and his contributions seem ok.
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On July 14 2015 22:17 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 20:36 Harkon wrote:On July 14 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:An Analysis of the Brussels Sprout Conversation+ Show Spoiler +Background: Oatsmaster mentioned that rsoultin's high usage of "xP" in this game suggests that she is mafia. KelsierSC analyzed several of rsoultin's games as both alignments and concluded that rsoultin uses "xP" more as mafia than as town, and her average in this game matched her town averages. However, he then analyzed only the first four pages of each game, and the "xP" count was not alignment indicative. On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation The post that started the conversation. On July 06 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote:
kelsier is pretty obviously town tbh. On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. It's a simple question, and it has a simple answer. However, as town, rsoultin doesn't care if she argues with people, doesn't care about looking good, tends to answer questions and discuss in a really round-about way, and really doesn't like dealing with people/reads she thinks are stupid. I know you're going to say that rsoultin does this as mafia too, just wait patiently...On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? What rsoultin is saying is fairly obvious, at this point. If someone is smart, and they say/do something that is clearly below their intelligence, then this is a reasonable sign that they are mafia. The problem is that there are many reasons that people can incorrectly read people in this way (applying the method incorrectly, such as incorrect assumptions about people's intelligence, misreading the questions, people simply thinking in different ways, other factors like being high/drunk/etc). But the core of the read is a sensible read. There is no town motivation for intentionally being stupid. On July 06 2015 22:42 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question. On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Swahili, as in that Harkon completely missed rsoultin's answer, as if it were in Swahili. Then rsoultin slightly expands on the same thing. On July 06 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then? On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ On July 06 2015 22:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. Okay yeah lol you can be a brussels sprout if you want ^^ the imitation is spot on On July 06 2015 22:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly That's enough to convey the point. Rsoultin did answer the questions asked of her every single time, just in a very round-about way. And evidently Harkon and marvellosity didn't really understand the answers (or they could have gone straight to the important questions, such as why rsoultin expects more intelligence than this from KelsierSC, how she knows that there isn't some other explanation, why rsoultin isn't paying attention to the effort that KelsierSC used, etc.As town, rsoultin seems to care more about answering questions in her own way and posting in her own way than playing such that other people can easily/clearly see what she is saying. We've talked about this a few times. In Assassination Mafia, this eventually caused her to make a few huge essay-style posts, clearly stating her reads in simple English. Point being that rsoultin seemingly dodging questions and being unhelpful is an issue in communication, and doesn't make her scum. On the contrary, I think that as mafia, rsoultin would be more willing to be helpful and answer questions more clearly, and be less argumentative. Furthermore, there's an element of creativity to these answers that provides hints at the thought process that created her reads, which could be harder to replicate as scum. Although at times it may seem that rsoultin is dodging questions or being unhelpful, this is generally not true. Rsoultin knows how to clearly answer questions, and as scum, she'd be more interested in doing so. The fact that she is still stubbornly playing in her own style, despite being scumread for it, suggests that she is town. Rsoultin did NOT answer the question in this quote chain. She waffled around the issue saying Kelsier was less towny for something that is not scummy and that she did not even say is scummy. To the bolded: The only relevant question here is if she thinks that him lacking intelligence makes him scum and why. That is exactly what we asked her and that is what she refused to answer in a straight way. It is as simple as that. -_- the brussels sprout thing again? trfel lol >< i'd almost forgotten how annoyed they'd made me damn you i said that doing retarded things is scummy for intelligent people dropping a hard townread to a lesser townread makes it obvious that i think it's alignment indicative like, not sure how you think i didn't answer this? oats believing me having more or less xPs in one game vs. another (was bound to be one) is alignment indicative i don't care about. it's oats. ksc, computer software writing extraordinaire and frankly very impressive to me last game, running off to do statistical analysis on it was retardedi still think he's town probably this game? which i guess we know for sure soon -_- but yeah, if y'all don't get that hf can't be a koshi or that i can't be a sicklucker...our brains aren't wired that way...then i have no use for you, jat
That's all cool and all but the important question is of course: Can you be an oats?
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On July 14 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote:
1) Marvellosity (filter) - town
2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum?
3) WaveofShadow (filter) - pooface
4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town
5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt
6) Vivax (filter) - maybe town?
10) boxerfred (filter) - ?
11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) DLME Investigator Shot Night 2
12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town?
13) LightningStrike (filter) - town
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - maybe town?
16) KelsierSC (filter) - modkilled
18) Breshke (filter) - tonally town
19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish?
21) rsoultin (filter) - ?
22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish
23) Harkon (filter) - p likely town
24) Holyflare (filter) - ?
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - seemed townish but could easily not be i guess ?
like i do this, there are 4 mafia, so i'm calling a bunch of mafia town.
Cool, I have a similar problem but I am nullreading most people instead of townreading them.
1) Marvellosity (filter) - p likely town
2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum?
3) WaveofShadow (filter) - bad
4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town or playing a really good scumgame
5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt
6) Vivax (filter) - no idea
10) boxerfred (filter) - I think town?
12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town?
13) LightningStrike (filter) - town
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - no idea
18) Breshke (filter) - no idea
19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish?
21) rsoultin (filter) - ?
22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish
23) Harkon (filter) - town
24) Holyflare (filter) - ?
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - no idea
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On July 14 2015 22:06 ruXxar wrote:I can't help myself :p
ruxy please
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On July 14 2015 22:55 rsoultin wrote:
???
why does him beimg make him defo mafia?
I have no further questions. Case closed.
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On July 14 2015 23:09 marvellosity wrote:
why is EBH VA?
To be honest I thought he was VA as soon as I saw his name.
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But I don't know for what other reason people think it is him or how justified that actually is.
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On July 15 2015 03:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
marv are you around? Are you not at all afraid of being night killed and having not left a post?
Marv never leaves a legacy as town.
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On July 15 2015 04:57 marvellosity wrote:
i would say it was odd how you kept interacting with milo, but i didn't really participate in the lynch so i'm not really sure if it was or not
It absolutely was.
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Why are people speculating about who got the gun when scum has a rb? Use your brain.
Also more confident in HF being scum again - his recent posting is terrible.
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On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.
Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?
There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points
Further shitflinging. Very productive.
On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous
Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope. if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia
Absolutely nonsensical statement.
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.
Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.
HF is probably mafia.
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On July 15 2015 00:16 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 22:58 Harkon wrote:
1) Marvellosity (filter) - p likely town
2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum?
3) WaveofShadow (filter) - bad
4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town or playing a really good scumgame
5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt
6) Vivax (filter) - no idea
10) boxerfred (filter) - I think town?
12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town?
13) LightningStrike (filter) - town
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - no idea
18) Breshke (filter) - no idea
19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish?
21) rsoultin (filter) - ?
22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish
23) Harkon (filter) - town
24) Holyflare (filter) - ?
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - no idea Where I stand.... 1) Marvellosity (filter) - town 2) Scott31337 (filter) - probably mafia 3) WaveofShadow (filter) - town solely on meta, but that meta could be broken. Would leave alone due to potential mod action. 4) Clarity_nl (filter) - town - not ever played with him, ignoring meta he's town 5) ruXxar (filter) - didn't like him at the beginning (back and forth with Ras), and then thought he was slightly better last cycle 6) Vivax (filter) - went from slight scumlean to slight townlean 10) boxerfred (filter) - very light townread 12) Trfel (filter) - would buy into DMA - town 13) LightningStrike (filter) - town, confirmed 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - town, but have been wrong on him before (Aperture, JOAT) 18) Breshke (filter) - town 19) Oatsmaster (filter) - town based on his interactions/putting self out there 21) rsoultin (filter) - was pretty sure she was town 22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish 23) Harkon (filter) - town 24) Holyflare (filter) - thought scum through most of d2/n2, not sure either way now 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - null to scumlean If I'm wrong on people I think I could be wrong on the following people: WoS (easily broken meta) Clarity (unfamiliarity if he is playing his scum game but someone else needs to flip before we cross this bridge I think) ruXxar (duh) Vivax (still adjusting to his new meta after bombing him in assassination, not sure why he wasn't analysing scummy behavior by the DT claims, which led to a reasonable rationale to doubt them, although I think he said otherwise for milo? I cannot remember), boxerfred (easily broken meta but what he IS questioning seems reasonable I think?) OWS (poor track record of reading him) and Ras/HF are pretty obvious. Harkon, why is Breshke a tossup for you?
Because I just don't remember anything he posted. That's usually not a good sign. Other people are townreading him though so -> null.
On July 15 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote:Ok, so I'm thinking that kelsier is going to be a very interesting flip if he's mafia. Once we have 2 mafia flipped we can start analyizing inter-mafia behavior and try to glean some information from how they interact(or don't!) with each other. Until then it's sort of hard to draw any associative patterns between people. I've looked more deeply into damdred's filter to see if I can find anything peculiar. This is all from before geript claimed he tracked damdred: + Show Spoiler +Read progression:
Scumreads(strength):
LS - (very strong).
Clarity (strong).
Ritoky (medium)
Trfel (weak)
Wave (very weak).
Town reads:
Ruxx
Marv
Kelsier
HF
HTS
Palmar We can see how he had both ritoky and LS in his scum-reads day 1. and they were 2 of his strongest scum reads. Looking at this I find it unlikely that damdred would hard bus his partner so in my mind it's even less likely that clarity is scum here. As for the town-reads I'll analyze them after tonight since at least kelsier is flipping and maybe one more.
Damdred is actually known for hard bussing his partners.
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On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him- On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.
Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town. On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him. On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points
Further shitflinging. Very productive. On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it. On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope. if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia Absolutely nonsensical statement. On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time. HF is probably mafia. Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense.
Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense.
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On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him- On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.
Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town. On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him. On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points
Further shitflinging. Very productive. On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it. On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope. if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia Absolutely nonsensical statement. On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time. HF is probably mafia. Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense. Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense. I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons?
Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to.
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