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Ignore me and you're probably not making it to tomorrow because I'm pretty fucking towny and despite being a newbie, I'd like to think that I have decent sway today.
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On June 18 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:00 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote: He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me? Correct. ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum. You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how. People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance" who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true? You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts. Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him? is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently. I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok. You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all. Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. So how did this change of opinion come about? you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap. 100% mafia.
I don't think him getting the wrong reason for me calling Shockey scummy is that bad. If you read my wording, it's not that hard to get it confused. I dunno.
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On June 18 2015 03:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:40 NydusHerMain wrote:
Ignore me and you're probably not making it to tomorrow because I'm pretty fucking towny and despite being a newbie, I'd like to think that I have decent sway today. just ignore her back she loves it i'm sorry if we've caused unnecessary confusion with the votes but they are just sitting afk on rsoultin due to sheer lazyness so treat like 3/4 of them as not real votes the people that i'd likely lynch today will be: the person that gets replaced boxerfred possibly va but i'll have to have a think about that notreallysureaboutlshe'sgivingmedemweirdfeels
Wouldn't MiG be the one getting replaced since he has 0 posts? And I see....
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I think people are misunderstanding how lightning is thinking about the game. Anyways, gonna be back in like 4-6 hours... don't post too much until I come back T.T
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Before I go, @RS, beg for my forgiveness.
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On June 18 2015 03:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:51 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2015 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 03:40 NydusHerMain wrote:
Ignore me and you're probably not making it to tomorrow because I'm pretty fucking towny and despite being a newbie, I'd like to think that I have decent sway today. just ignore her back she loves it i'm sorry if we've caused unnecessary confusion with the votes but they are just sitting afk on rsoultin due to sheer lazyness so treat like 3/4 of them as not real votes the people that i'd likely lynch today will be: the person that gets replaced boxerfred possibly va but i'll have to have a think about that notreallysureaboutlshe'sgivingmedemweirdfeels whats the reasoning behind my lynch? curious you actually attempted to post things and they didn't have any particular thoughts behind them at all and the one time you decided to actually try and give a proper read on someone it was "could be either town or mafia" it's not particularly strong i just think you have more well reasoned things to say as town
What do you think of my read on him?
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On June 18 2015 03:59 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:58 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O you're not actually a blue because no blue would be that stupid. I actually named VT weather you like it or not. I had claimed blue easly in my games as blue in the past.
Pun? hehehehe
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On June 18 2015 09:54 Lohengramm wrote:
i started reading but then I stopped
how useful is actually reading this game, exactly?
60 pages seems overkill for 24 hours LOL
I just got home from climbing. I left off at page 50 and I'm pretty much skipping to this page for a bit until I feel like reading but I'd skip anything I wrote in terms of Onegu and any discussion/interaction regarding it and I'd skip bugs and RS fighting.
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Curious bugs. Knowing I'm not a smurf, would you rate me as a better player 
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I failed to make my promise of reading everything and keeping up with my postage... sigh... And I have to go to work BUT I will say that I'm okay with either lynch but I'd rather LS live until tomorrow. The only reason I even had LS in my town circle is because I just assumed that his town meta was activity (?) . That's something that's been on my mind though. How was he even a lynch consideration if his meta is activity and he has a big filter? Weird weird. I think I got somewhere around a blue claim. Was that even a serious claim and does blue mean role or VT? If it's role, how many roles are there because that kind of scares me. Anyways, I still think Shockey is a great lynch but maybe he said something while I wasn't here. I'll switch my vote to BF when I'm able to if I determine Shockey is not lynchable.
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Oh and now I really really think onegu is mafia. He's like totally tryharding.
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On June 19 2015 02:02 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right? Exactly!!! or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy. So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons. On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit. Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways. That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum. hold on..are you actually town?
This reaction doesn't feel genuine to me.
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I want to swap this to a bw on onegu but at the same time I'm okay with a bf lynch.
@bugs what's there not to get about what gb said? He's uneasy despite being one of the voters because it's got so many people voting on it whereas no one else is really up for vote consideration in comparison.
Gonna throw this out there and see if it sticks.
##Vote: onegu
If not, I'm fine with bf regardless.
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On June 19 2015 02:09 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:06 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2015 02:02 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right? Exactly!!! or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy. So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons. On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit. Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways. That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum. hold on..are you actually town? This reaction doesn't feel genuine to me. alright then do something
I've been a scummy boy and haven't been keeping up with the past 20 pages. I'm doing this shit based on limited information. I have no idea why people swapped from Shockey but I have bigger targets now.
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I won't be able to make a case on onegu in enough time but I think gb is townier than bf
##Vote: boxerfred
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I have a feeling that the scum this game are either wasting votes or haven't voted yet
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On June 19 2015 04:14 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:12 NydusHerMain wrote:
I won't be able to make a case on onegu in enough time but I think gb is townier than bf
##Vote: boxerfred Dude Boxerfred is most likely going to get modkilled because he haven't voted. Switch to GB where we actually got a good case plus a lot of back to it please don't let your vote go to waste 
If that's the case I want to vote on one of my scum instead of swapping to gb aka onegu
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On June 19 2015 04:19 KelsierSC wrote:so your scum list would be Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig, BF, shockey? i noticed you made this post about GB Show nested quote +GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today. Since that point there has been a lot of GB related discussion so did you read that and it didn't bother you?
Mainly Damdred, shockey, bf, onegu, ritoky as my main scum
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On June 19 2015 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:23 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2015 04:19 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:16 NydusHerMain wrote:
Or shcokey so your scum list would be Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig, BF, shockey? i noticed you made this post about GB GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today. Since that point there has been a lot of GB related discussion so did you read that and it didn't bother you? Mainly Damdred, shockey, bf, onegu, ritoky as my main scum ok, it's jsut you said scum were not voting/wasting their vote so I was a bit confused. you damdred is on Bf right? be good if you answer the point about GB
My wording was bad. I didn't mean all scum. I meant more as in a feeling that we're getting raped by lurkers
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