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On June 25 2015 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
lol this is the one day where you can get confirmed town holyflare's thoughts in the thread who you should all respect and adore and bounce ideas back and forth with me (at least i will be confirmed soon) and all you guys do is try and shit fight with me or post useless stuff that has no relevance to anyone else's alignments ^^
Nobody is shit fighting you HF. And I love and adore you. All I'm saying is that only assume I'm town and talk about who's the Mafia team, then. What I asked you are key questions to solving the game
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I didn't shut down your post, I simply asked you to not work under the assumption I'm Mafia -.-
Why can't you give a word about VA but you can about Onegu? They're basically the same style of players.
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On June 25 2015 01:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 01:47 Holyflare wrote:
The only person i'm more fluctuating about is Ruxxar since he's not really done anything since he said he was catching up and has been afk since. I think bugs was extremely towny though (explained before - thought processes all backed up etc, pushing you) so I'm willing to let it slide. Don't let him get away with it all game though. ^ not the only reason though, I think it's quite disingenuous to miss out key things in people's filters if you're using that as your sole metric to catch up you'd look at it with a fine tooth comb
I do agree ruxxar needs revisiting and I remember I said something about "if mig is Mafia, so is bugs", but I forgot what linked them
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GF AND Framer seems unbalanced to me, btw
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Meh, it is wifom and I think VA is Mafia :/
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On June 25 2015 01:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 01:50 GlowingBear wrote:
GF AND Framer seems unbalanced to me, btw it's not at all
I'm sorry, a GF, a Framer AND a Miller in the same game? LOL
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On June 25 2015 01:55 Holyflare wrote:
hey i had gf framer and miller in a MINI and town still won
You're mean. That's unbalanced
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We are lynching Holyflare
Then we are lynching Mig
Too late to switch targets. Doing shenanigans here is absolutely dangerous. Lynch HF first, then lynch Mig
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On June 25 2015 03:35 ruXxar wrote:I have a hard time reading damdred. I just played a game with him where he was lurking hardcore, so I won't judge him based on his activity. I'll respond to your points about damdred: - Early town reads:+ Show Spoiler +I really don't know where he gets this from.
There's no reasoning, so I'll have to assume it's all based on meta.
Maybe damdred knows people well enough to make that call, I don't know.
I've heard that judging people from their first posts is actually not as inaccurate as you may think, but I have a hard time believing that.
I'll have to assume that his list is very inaccurate. I saw damdred do this as town in his last game, and he was right.
However I was very suspicious of him doing so and I still think it's a crapshoot.
I generally dislike people calling others 100% town and defending them.
Let people defend themselves so that you can actually extract information from them.
If you put yourself in the line of fire then you make it seem like you have ulterior motives.
This is not a point in his favor He does seem a little wishy washy, and doesn't justify most of his call outs. I'm also not sure how he went from this: To this: Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote:
ok GB and Mig are off the table today
Get on yamato. In just 2 pages. I really wish he would qualify his reads more.
By the way, that flip on Damdred's read is because I claimed a green check on mig
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Ok look.
Considering I'm town, scenarios:
1) Mig is Mafia and he is not GF/Framed. There is a Roleblocker in the team
Mafia sees a green check on an impossible green check. It means town is fake claiming and that guy is obviously not cop. If he lives one more day he will be an easy lynch because he won't be able to sustain that fake claim for long, or he is so stupid that he will keep our Mafia partner mig alive because of it. Let him live. Fish for the protective role and roleblock him.
2) Mig is Mafia and he is GF/Framed. There is a roleblocker on the team
Mafia sees a correct green check. Mafia roleblocks the guy so they can WIFOM day3 and try to kill possible protective roles. Or the opposite. Kill the cop and try to roleblock the protective role.
3) A variation of (1) = no roleblocker on the team
Claimer is fake claiming, shoot possible protective roles, mislynch fake claimer on day3
4) A variation of (2) = no roleblocker on the team
Cop claim is believable. He could have correct checks at night unless we frame the specific player this guy will be checking (difficult, because he checked mig and he had no intention of doing it). Kill him.
But if we kill him, we risk having him jail kept.
Oh god we are facing a huge problem. We could kill Fidei. We could kill Rsoultin. We could kill GB. Since they are all Claimers, shooting them is dangerous. Let's avoid it and shoot EVERYONE ELSE
The only possibilities where the roleblocker got roleblocked is in (1) and (2). That is, if the protective role REALLY was so accurate or so wrong that he roleblocked the most townie people in the game and they are Mafia. For example, 3 people claimed. I obviously wasn't roleblocked, so no protective roles on me. Rsoultin and Fidei claimed, and if protective role roleblocked the roleblocker, it means Rsoultin/Fidei are Mafia.
So Holyflare, for you to believe the roleblocker got roleblocked, you have to believe both Fidei and Rsoultin are Mafia.
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On June 25 2015 03:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:On June 25 2015 03:35 ruXxar wrote:I have a hard time reading damdred. I just played a game with him where he was lurking hardcore, so I won't judge him based on his activity. I'll respond to your points about damdred: - Early town reads:+ Show Spoiler +I really don't know where he gets this from.
There's no reasoning, so I'll have to assume it's all based on meta.
Maybe damdred knows people well enough to make that call, I don't know.
I've heard that judging people from their first posts is actually not as inaccurate as you may think, but I have a hard time believing that.
I'll have to assume that his list is very inaccurate. I saw damdred do this as town in his last game, and he was right.
However I was very suspicious of him doing so and I still think it's a crapshoot.
I generally dislike people calling others 100% town and defending them.
Let people defend themselves so that you can actually extract information from them.
If you put yourself in the line of fire then you make it seem like you have ulterior motives.
This is not a point in his favor He does seem a little wishy washy, and doesn't justify most of his call outs. I'm also not sure how he went from this: On June 22 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote:
Mig is mafia and we should lynch Mig To this: On June 22 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote:
ok GB and Mig are off the table today
Get on yamato. In just 2 pages. I really wish he would qualify his reads more. By the way, that flip on Damdred's read is because I claimed a green check on mig and what about the flip on shockey that shockey pointed out? completely unexplained i also really dislike how you aren't talking about anything when you return, if you're being lazy then it's better that you just don't post
I'm sorry I'm correcting the guy's wrong read on Damdred?
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On June 25 2015 04:01 Mig wrote:
I am only here for like 20 min then gotta go to a tourney.
So we know we have a jk/vanisher right (kp stopped n1)If they protected gb last night, no way he could have gotten a check off. So gbs story is 1) didnt claim day1 when the lynch was insanely close in the hopes that people who he thinks are mafia (me) would randomly switch to boxer. 2) then after claiming day2 mafia proceed to not shoot or rb him and 3) the jk apparently must not have protected the claimed dt either.
All of these things have to be true for gb to actually be dt. Doesn't it seem more likely that gb fake claimed dt day 2 when he looked fucked and now is fake claiming a red check to get one of the 2 mislynches needed?
No, because if I mislynch, I'm dead day4, so IT would be way easier for me, for example, to claim bring roleblocked or to claim having Breshke green checked
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Ruxxar, lynching Holyflare will reveal my alignment to town. Lynching mig won't
Also, I just realised there is a small possibility that Mafia really didn't care for me checking people. It's small, but it exists and I don't want to disclose this
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On June 25 2015 04:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +1) Mig is Mafia and he is not GF/Framed. There is a Roleblocker in the team
Mafia sees a green check on an impossible green check. It means town is fake claiming and that guy is obviously not cop. If he lives one more day he will be an easy lynch because he won't be able to sustain that fake claim for long, or he is so stupid that he will keep our Mafia partner mig alive because of it. Let him live. Fish for the protective role and roleblock him.
you seem to be going by this situation but then never take into account that he kills were almost certainly medic dodges medic dodges while fishing for a medic with a rb in a game where there's no notifications? really gb that's your story?
Hmm yeah, you're right with this... Let me think...
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On June 25 2015 04:09 Holyflare wrote:and situation 4 is entirely possible if they were thinking "oh medic might wifom the kill and protect the blue roles too, let's kill unlynchable people" PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT WIFOM SCENARIOS ANYWAY TY Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
SO.
Rather than looking at all the millions of possibilities that rely on complete wifom and sillyness, why don't we evaluate people's actual play in the game?
talk to me about damdred, did you read my post? If you can come up with 4 scenarios and 2 of them include him being town then you fucking suck and shouldn't pick into wifom
He was Mafia in all of those scenarios? Wtf HF...
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Yeah people. That's exactly what I did. You've got me, I'm Mafia!
Really, look at my thought process here:
I was almost lynched day1 and I didn't claim. You know why? Because I'm Mafia and Mafia never cares for survival LOLOLOLOL, it's not that a cop without checks is as good a VT
Then day2 came and I fake claimed without a counter claim, HOW LUCKY I AM, RIGHT?
Then day3 came and I said that the green check was fake HAHAHA SICK MAFIA PLAYZ. I called LS green for no reason AND I EVEN SAID HF IS MAFIA BECAUSE I ROLECOPPED HIM AND SAW HE IS A MILLER, THAT'S FANTASTIC! This is not wifom at all! But NK discussions, oh, that is wifom! Don't talk about it!
Your reaction shows how Mafia you are, Mig. Instead of believing the claim and telling me you're not Mafia and my logic is wrong, you prefer to align with Holyflare to push scum agenda for lynching me. So bad 
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On June 25 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 04:17 Mig wrote:
Why, it is a blue power role. Wouldn't a jk stop that. Either way jk would have most likely protected the claimed dt.
Gb you seem more confident that I am scum than holy, but you want to lynch him just because it says more about your alignment? That's it? ding ding ding biggest reason i think i've been role copped
This is exactly what you have been saying town needs to do in order to know my alignment.
Now I've ROLECOPPED you and that's why you are getting lynched. Hahahahahaha
Boy I'm so happy it was so easy to find 2 Mafia like that.
How frustrating it is? Tell me, because I can even smell the frustration. It reeks.
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WE ARE LYNCHING HOLYFLARE
VOTE HIM RIGHT NOW.
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On June 25 2015 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
you don't want to be held accountable for mislynching or what gb?
I'm lynching you and I'm not even reading the thread because I'm gettin ready for school
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EPT
