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On June 20 2015 14:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
i could see shockeyy being part of the scumteam. I mean it has to be a group of sorta idiots to NK kelsier who would have modkilled himself at some point. Im pretty much confirmed town because that night kill would NEVER get through on my team
VA pls.
Do you have any read that doesn't relies on WIFOM?
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On June 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote:
Rit I agree shockey is scummy and I want to lynch him or Mig today if we arn't lynching GB
Can you explain why you don't want to lynch GB do you have him as town? Or do you just think shockey is scummier honestly i remember gb doing some townie shit and some scummy shit so his alignment is inconclusive to me. maybe he is scum cuz he keeps getting bogged down in stupid shit. i don't really give a damn. i see shockeyy and bugs' slot (now ruxxar) as scum. with the outside shot of LS. that's who i want to lynch and i want people to get on board. for bugs/ruxxar -> endless shit fighting into little production -> prompting shockeyy after afk implies QT -> ruxxar posts manufactured reads...didn't even know LS claimed a role even though it dominated 70 pages of the game. called LS calm and collected...just no..just no. if GB is still whiny after i get through those 2 and if damdred still hasn't posted more then i will go deal with those two.
I'm not being whiny?
I'm being reasonable regarding VA. ALl his reads were like "Glowingbear is using caps lock, scum. KSC is dead, glowingbear scum". VA is experienced in mafia. Do you think he would rely on these things to call me so?
Let me ask you something: why would Mig, as mafia, hammer boxerfred instead of me? I have an idea but I want to hear from you first.
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On June 20 2015 14:48 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote:
meh mig is okayish to me now. he did some responding to me that i was more alright with than what i previously had been. so he is back to null for me. I hate his filter around eod
His filter on EoD is okay if you consier his filter earlier.
He actually REACTED to thread when he was online, something I fail to see on Fidei.
You might tell me why Fidei is town instead of doing this "I shouldn't be telling why he is town" with Damdred, or I'll push him with all my might.
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On June 20 2015 15:09 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 14:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:On June 20 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote:
Rit I agree shockey is scummy and I want to lynch him or Mig today if we arn't lynching GB
Can you explain why you don't want to lynch GB do you have him as town? Or do you just think shockey is scummier honestly i remember gb doing some townie shit and some scummy shit so his alignment is inconclusive to me. maybe he is scum cuz he keeps getting bogged down in stupid shit. i don't really give a damn. i see shockeyy and bugs' slot (now ruxxar) as scum. with the outside shot of LS. that's who i want to lynch and i want people to get on board. for bugs/ruxxar -> endless shit fighting into little production -> prompting shockeyy after afk implies QT -> ruxxar posts manufactured reads...didn't even know LS claimed a role even though it dominated 70 pages of the game. called LS calm and collected...just no..just no. if GB is still whiny after i get through those 2 and if damdred still hasn't posted more then i will go deal with those two. I'm not being whiny? I'm being reasonable regarding VA. ALl his reads were like "Glowingbear is using caps lock, scum. KSC is dead, glowingbear scum". VA is experienced in mafia. Do you think he would rely on these things to call me so? Let me ask you something: why would Mig, as mafia, hammer boxerfred instead of me? I have an idea but I want to hear from you first. is the mig thing directed at me? he would hammer town over you cuz you could be mafia? or cuz it was two town wagons and he wanted a wifom argument of "mafia would never hammer a town". fuck do i care about wifoming his motives? are VA's reads substantive? no. are they good? i don't know. is he okay with lynching shockeyy? yes. cool beans; let's lynch shockeyy. and yes you're being a bit whiny because every time someone calls you mafia you make a giant show of it. pretty sure nydus called me mafia, i told him i didn't give 2 shits about his read. pretty sure some1 else called me mafia and i ignored him. find scum and people will stop calling you mafia. start with shockeyy. you thought he was highly likely mafia earlier, why or why not now? if not who should i lynch over him and why?
For now I think you should lynch Fidei over him.
I'm not being whiny because people are calling me mafia, I'm being suspicious about the reasons people are calling me mafia for. I was suspicious of bugs, mainly. And I am suspicious of VA.
And I would also lynch VA over Shockey.
Basically, the way Shockey approached me at night felt really townie. Plus, his mafia play when we were together, he was completely different. Of course he could be self aware now but him coming to me and saying "hey, I think you might be town, let's try to work together. I am not mafia, please reconsider" sounded townie to me, and he did the same in witchcraft when I was mafia.
regarding this:
he would hammer town over you cuz you could be mafia? or cuz it was two town wagons and he wanted a wifom argument of "mafia would never hammer a town". fuck do i care about wifoming his motives?
Well, I'm town. He sees two town wagons. He decides to lynch boxer. Why not taking the easier path and lynching me, who he brought more suspicions before?
I think it would fit better a mafia mindset of survivability if he just lynched me. Nobody would be questioning him today. Why drawing so much attention as mafia?
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On June 20 2015 15:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 14:48 rsoultin wrote:On June 20 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote:
meh mig is okayish to me now. he did some responding to me that i was more alright with than what i previously had been. so he is back to null for me. I hate his filter around eod His filter on EoD is okay if you consier his filter earlier. He actually REACTED to thread when he was online, something I fail to see on Fidei. You might tell me why Fidei is town instead of doing this "I shouldn't be telling why he is town" with Damdred, or I'll push him with all my might. I don't respond to threats. You'd just annoy me doing this and he wouldn't be lynched anyway so let it go. I think you just like that he didn't lynch you. What I don't like is how big a screws he appeared to have.on you while so little got him to switch to bf. It's incongruous. That's what i'm talking about rit. I can quote but it'sore of an overall thing? Mig came into the thread pushing gb and said he was scummy throughout. So the sudden switch makes little sense to me, not for so weak a reason
You see, I just saw a scummy filter, and you and Damdred say that you don't want to lynch fidei ever without giving any reasoning. I could only presume you guys are masoned together.
But if you guys are masoned together I would find the lack of push on HF (who you already knew he claimed) bizarre.
So I can't understand why would you guys keep it a secret.
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On June 20 2015 15:21 ritoky wrote:
GB why does shockeyy think ur town?
I think this is something you should ask him?
Well, he scumread bugs, maybe it's associative?
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On June 20 2015 16:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 15:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, I'm town. He sees two town wagons. He decides to lynch boxer. Why not taking the easier path and lynching me, who he brought more suspicions before?
I think it would fit better a mafia mindset of survivability if he just lynched me. Nobody would be questioning him today. Why drawing so much attention as mafia? Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive.
Yeah, I saw this after I posted. That's why I'm townreading him now
To be fair, I think mafia could've let me alive so they could mislynch me today, and that is what I thought Mig did when he voted boxerfred. But seeing that he ACTUALLY had suspicions on boxerfred, his vote made sense to me and this came clear to my mind.
About Shockey. Yeah, he talked to me like I was town. But he did vote someone else right? Maybe he had a townread on me?
Although he did vote me, putting me in majority...
Maybe I'm flattered  . I promise to filter dive him tomorrow as soon as I wake up to get a better read.
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Couldn't find it
Just got a 0-3 in an arena run in hearthstone
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I woke up
Shockey, answer me before I go diving: when did the big filter thing crossed your mind?
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Also, HF, why did you claim mason?
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On June 17 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote:
i'm not masons with ksc
You did.
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On June 21 2015 03:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin you also made this list of posts after the claim had already occurred which seperates both Onegu AND Kelsier which means you don't even believe it to begin with checkmate mafiabear now plz just roll over
You're obviously not reading the thread because I have explained all of this right at the start of day3.
I'm voting you and noone else. You can't be this bad as town. Never.
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On June 21 2015 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
There is also a roughly 0%
and i DO mean 0% chance that you got me and onegu confused
you wanna know why? because it was so fucking apparent that I hid that in the url when I posted it because me and rsoul had an entire conversation about it
if you wanna claim you thought it was onegu (how on earth would you ever think that to begin with) there's no way you missed that convo because kelsier, me, rsoul, onegu and someone else ALL talked about it
I scumread onegu, decided to filter dive him, saw a post where he wrote URL, quoted it, saw it fast in that quotation the mason claim, thought it was him, gave a reason to townread him without revealing he was mason.
I even started voting onegu today because I saw KSC isn't a mason. And you still have to explain yourself about this. Yet you try to find ANY reason to vote me today, without taking a second thought. You're clearly pushing scum agenda here.
And townies, if you stupidly mislynch me, at least see my flip and go against Holyflare. Then think about Breshke because, really, I can't understand how he could call me town comfortably in nearly day1 (said he didn't consider the last game he called me town when I was scum, but based his read on bugs all based on the last game, which makes no sense).
Then you go after Yamato who is simply not caring for the game.
Then you kill VA
Then you win the game.
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On June 21 2015 03:27 Holyflare wrote:
Well let's see why you even pushing this makes you definitely mafia:
1) You were calling me mafia day 1 and throwing it around all the entire day. You especially did this night 1 yet had no problems with Kelsier at all. This never factored into anything you ever wrote.
2) You are now using the assumption that I'm alive to paint me negatively but there was only 1 kp that went off on a 2kp night. I could have easily been the shot with Kelsier. This looks incredibly like TMI that I may have not actually been the shot.
3) useless nitpicking at points that clearly don't affect anyone's alignment
If you answer to 1) is that you thought Onegu had claimed it with Kelsier then your original scum read on Onegu and your rescinding of that look incredibly like you were giving fake reasons to change your mind on him.
1) I called you town day1. Only started scumreading you at night when you didn't drop your shitty read on me
2) I've never said that. You're straight up lying and that TMI shit is one of the most horrible arguments you could use against any player.
3) Nitpicking is arbirtrary interpretation. I've assumed my points on Breshke were weak on that case, though. Also, if my reasons are weak, I am constantly reevaluating. So, no.
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On June 21 2015 04:42 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 04:36 GlowingBear wrote:On June 21 2015 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
There is also a roughly 0%
and i DO mean 0% chance that you got me and onegu confused
you wanna know why? because it was so fucking apparent that I hid that in the url when I posted it because me and rsoul had an entire conversation about it
if you wanna claim you thought it was onegu (how on earth would you ever think that to begin with) there's no way you missed that convo because kelsier, me, rsoul, onegu and someone else ALL talked about it I scumread onegu, decided to filter dive him, saw a post where he wrote URL, quoted it, saw it fast in that quotation the mason claim, thought it was him, gave a reason to townread him without revealing he was mason. I even started voting onegu today because I saw KSC isn't a mason. And you still have to explain yourself about this. Yet you try to find ANY reason to vote me today, without taking a second thought. You're clearly pushing scum agenda here. And townies, if you stupidly mislynch me, at least see my flip and go against Holyflare. Then think about Breshke because, really, I can't understand how he could call me town comfortably in nearly day1 (said he didn't consider the last game he called me town when I was scum, but based his read on bugs all based on the last game, which makes no sense). Then you go after Yamato who is simply not caring for the game. Then you kill VA Then you win the game. if you quoted the post where I said url. they you would know I am not a mason...
The post I've quoted has HF's quotation.
The thing is that I saw URL on your post and immediately went to search for it, in a very quick glance, and I thought you have claimed.
Tell me why my reaction would be that one when day2 started. Tell me why I would risk myself having this conversation right now as mafia.
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On June 21 2015 04:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 04:36 GlowingBear wrote:On June 21 2015 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
There is also a roughly 0%
and i DO mean 0% chance that you got me and onegu confused
you wanna know why? because it was so fucking apparent that I hid that in the url when I posted it because me and rsoul had an entire conversation about it
if you wanna claim you thought it was onegu (how on earth would you ever think that to begin with) there's no way you missed that convo because kelsier, me, rsoul, onegu and someone else ALL talked about it I scumread onegu, decided to filter dive him, saw a post where he wrote URL, quoted it, saw it fast in that quotation the mason claim, thought it was him, gave a reason to townread him without revealing he was mason. I even started voting onegu today because I saw KSC isn't a mason. And you still have to explain yourself about this. Yet you try to find ANY reason to vote me today, without taking a second thought. You're clearly pushing scum agenda here. And townies, if you stupidly mislynch me, at least see my flip and go against Holyflare. Then think about Breshke because, really, I can't understand how he could call me town comfortably in nearly day1 (said he didn't consider the last game he called me town when I was scum, but based his read on bugs all based on the last game, which makes no sense). Then you go after Yamato who is simply not caring for the game. Then you kill VA Then you win the game. This is precisely why everyone scum reads you. You argue argue argue about "oh woe is me how can you possibly think i'm scummy OMGUS you must be mafia" but really, 3/4 of the game are reading you as mafia. It's quite evident since you almost got lynched. Now there are multiple votes that are suspicious as fuck that make it very likely you are mafia, you have to die, no if's or buts or anything, the whole discussion is based around you. You aren't even thinking about that, you aren't thinking about anything from anyone's perspective. You push bull shit like "oh yeh totally reevaluated breshke" but that was after everyone in this entire game told you how shit that case was. Yet, here we are, and you're still pushing breshke lol. You voted for onegu today and I took that into account with my post. You even quoted that post that had the exact line "if you really did mistake it for onegu that's bull shit because he was in your poe list still and you scum read him for ages after that". He still remained in your poe list after you "reevaluated" him. It also further shows that you were not paying attention to the game but instead skimming it to make up reads on people. You can't possibly have missed that discussion in the thread and if you did you can't have missed the fact that onegu's reply was to me, why else would you see it in a quote unless you were trying to focus on it? You know your shot failed on me, you know you're fucked, stop posting this repeated scummy bull shit.
You won't convince me I'm mafia, HF, and I'm done trying to explain myself because everything I say you take right against me anyway. It's a matter if you believe me your not. If you are not open to try to believe me, then just vote me and search for my partners. Make a case on me and convince others. But stop wasting my time with so many bullshit I can't bear to read.
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Is the game that easy, HF?
My mafia partners did everything to save me night one.
They all voted boxerfred. Shockey, Mig, and Yamato decided to NOT vote because we all mafia together and they did everything to save me. (Y)
And YES I assume there are four mafia.
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Holyflare, VA, Breshke, Yamato
This is my guess for the mafia team.
Not very sure on Yamato and Breshke, though. Could lynch Fidei and I have yet to read Shockey, but his play in this game fits his play last game and it's completely different when I've played against him as mafia.
Holyflare is mafia for pushing me for all the wrong reasons, including lying. He is AT LEAST calling me mafia without even reading what I write, basing his reads on lies (in example, I've never WIFOMed nightkill as he claims I did)
VA is mafia for pushing me for all the stupid reasons again. He is too comfortable with my lynch. He isn't even trying to solve the game. He just comes to the thread, sees flak on me, call me scum because I used CAPS LOCK LOLOLOL then fucks off. Still calls me mafia. Has no other read.
Breshke could be mafia because I think his gameplay is too passive (sometimes he looks like he is trying to solve the game, sometimes he just looks like he is trying to survive. My main point here is that, as he played with me and I was scum, and he called basically confirmed town last game, he couldn't be so comfortable to call me town so early in this game. His excuse is that he is not considering my gameplay from the witchcraft mafia. If that's so, why is he comparing bugs gameplay here to witchcraft bugs but not mine? It doesn't makes sense to me. Yet, his filter DOES have some intentions to solve the game. This is a read I could be wrong on. If I am wrong, swap him with NydusHerMain, who really dropped his gameplay A LOT. Classical "I don't feel like doing nothing now that I am universally townread"
Yamato is doing nothing since he came to the game. He even forgot to vote. Would scum yamato do this? Answer: yes. He forgot to send night kill in a game he was scum and next day there was no kill. Him not caring for the game is his scum meta.
Outside this, rsoultin, Damdred, ritoky, mig and bugs slot are probably all town.
There. I don't feel like filter diving Shockey, although I promised. I don't really care.
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On June 21 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
I don't believe you. At all. I want people to see this scummy bull shit for what it is because i'm sick of wasting my time pushing you when this should have been over yesterday. I've made multiple cases on you.
Your partners are very likely Mig for doing his shitty switch. BF's post wasn't even bad and I'm pretty sure multiple people had the same reaction as me that it seemed pretty open and honest and Mig had a massive scum read on you (his second post was a case on you) but was very easily switched off of you onto BF.
Yamato is probably also mafia since he voted for Boxerfred in the thread instead of the voting thread but his scum read on you happened not very long after his town read on you and it seemed super opportune to scum read you at that exact point, he kept his vote open very easily to a) look good if you flipped mafia for calling you scum and b) voting on the anti gb wagon + the whole bm replace theory that i devised
The other one or 2 are probably in the list of:
shockey although I'm pretty undecided about this one since i can't make heads nor tails of his responses to my questions but it looks like he believes what he's saying
damdred since all i remember him doing is like defending rsoul and then afking the entire game even though he's had internet back for however long it is
or onegu since he has a shadow and the only thing he has done this game is shit all and telling us to lynch ls repeatedly aka not doing his shadow any justice
Your reads basically are
1) A scumread on me based on very poor/forced reasoning
2) Completely unflipped association (Shockey, Mig and Yamato) based on a weak scumread on me
3) Damdred not being active
4) Onegu because he has a shadow.
If people can't see how fabricated your reasoning is, I rest my case.
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