Newbie Student Mafia XI - Page 8

On June 17 2015 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote:

We already talked about it Ruxx. Late to the party.

On June 17 2015 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote:

Also also, add the bolded to the fact that he's trying to talk about something that has been concluded already and we have scummmmyyyyyyy

On June 17 2015 05:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Actually, we finished talking about Sulfurus's weird post before you came. What you posted was a reiteration of what we posted.

On June 17 2015 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Oh. I forgot to unvote. Thanks

##unvote Rels

On June 17 2015 05:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus's post basically reveals that he would have only lynched Kickstart if everyone else was going to. This basically shows that he's only willing to vote on wagons and never by himself. This correlates to the rest of his play which is disturbing because Mafia generally wishes to follow easy wagons.

On June 14 2015 05:04 Sulfurus wrote:
If it wasn't clear I would lynch trfel and I shouldn't have ignored him just for voting bats.

On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:
K I just realized that Oats is scummy.
##Vote: Oatsmaster

On June 17 2015 05:23 Rels wrote:

Why don't you let him defend himself.

On June 17 2015 05:27 Rels wrote:
Fuck I cant leave the thread when it's like that. Guess I'm gonna be super tired tomorrow. ><

On June 17 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Heh...

Looking at your filter I see you jumping on wagons all game.
I want to know what made you change your mind in all of them.

On June 17 2015 05:43 Rels wrote:

I know that feeling!

On June 17 2015 05:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I'll re-evaluate but I won't consider ruXxar seriously. Feel free to talk or ask me questions and I'll answer.

On June 17 2015 05:35 ruXxar wrote:


I will if you explain your change on Rels.

Make your argument, then name the cases in which I changed my vote and I'll answer all of them no problem.

On June 17 2015 06:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:

You should care if you're a townie. The goal of this game is to catch Mafia. If you're not willing to care about town atmosphere then you're either hurting the town or you're Mafia.

On June 17 2015 06:12 Kickstart wrote:
Here are my thoughts after looking through these peoples filters and just seeing how they are playing.

First I want to say who I get town reads on. I tend not to think they are as useful as scum reads but I haven't addressed my town reads at all this game and we are far enough into the game for me to have some people in my town circle.

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On Damdred
He seems quite towny to me. I will admit I often run into the trap of town reading people who are expressing similar thoughts as I am but aside from him having the same general scum reads or at least being suspicious of the people I am is a point that makes me think he is town. Aside from that though I think he has demonstrated a will to solve this game and push his agenda (which I think has been town) by asking the right questions and offering up his advice. This starts immediately on his entry. He replaced in when there was a wagon onto bats and he immediately started asking questions and offering his opinion and experiences he has had from playing with bats in prior games. In a situation where he could so easily have added pressure onto the wagon or just let it continue if scum, he demonstrated town mentality by asking questions and trying to figure things out. There is nothing particularly worth quoting from his day1 filter but a quick look at it just strengthens this opinion to me, he seems genuinely interested in solving the game. I will say his posting around the geript lynch is weird but I wasn't really there at the time and to me the whole situation is weird but that is just because I get the benefit of coming into it after the fact knowing he was town. Him being on the geript lynch makes him as questionable as everyone else in my opinion but his play outside of that has been town oriented I think.
After the lynch on geript I quite like his posting and again displayed his trying to figure out the game. This post in particular:

I think this is good analysis with some decent conclusions and again shows his trying to figure out the game. I don't agree with all of his reads but I think this is a good indication of him playing with a town mindset.

One thing I do want to note that I think is a bit strange is his hard defending of bats. Bats is someone who I wouldn't be comfortable reading as solid town but Damdred did almost immediatly. I don't think mafia comes in and just hard defends someone so early day1 who has a wagon on them at the moment but I wonder what his thoughts are now on bats as since then he hasn't said much about him. Is bats still confirmed town for Damdred because I don't get the same impression of him.

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On Wave
Wave is another town read. Probably not as strong as I would put Damdred but I still think his play is from a town perspective. He has been quite active in pressuring various people and been pretty forthright with his reads (even though a lot of them were wrong ). He is constantly analyzing things and giving his reads on the various situations that arise and this is good I think. Again just looking through his filter screams town to me. Nothing in particular to quote but it is constant pressure and evaluating of the situation.

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Those are probably my strongest town leans at the moment. I would lean town on moosey, bats, and trfel but not to the extend of the other two and will keep an eye on what they are doing for sure.

Now to the important part, who I think is scummiest. The three people that look scummiest to me at the moment are ruxxar, oats, and sulfurus. Not sure what to think of this pairing as there has been a lot of them calling each other scummy and such but as there are no red flips yet I won't worry too much about that fact because I think it can be done as either alignment.

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On Oats
**While formulating I see some discussion already going on around Oats but I'll go ahead with this as I've announced my suspicions on him earlier last night and even earlier in the game.**

Of course I almost immediately had it out with oats early on in the game but from past experiences we just butt heads. My largest concern from him at the moment is from what I remember he is usually very active in pushing an agenda, and this game I feel like he is just riding along trying to not to create any waves. I grant that it has been some time since I played with him last but irregardless his actions are still scummy and I don't see them being made from a town perspective.

Numerous times he has either just voted on someone with little backing it up or by asking the thread "can we just kill this person". I stated my issues with that before but just to reiterate why would town be so unconcerned with who the lynch is and be willing to just lynch anyone with little to no thought involved, which is in my opinion what he has been doing. Here are all the times hes done it, and while I grant that the bats one was at the start and just getting things going it is still weird to me so I'll add it:

This is after he has his vote immediately onto bats for pretty stupid reasons. His reasoning was he claimed vt and bats thinks that is scummy therefor oats put a vote on bats and was sure he was scum. Makes no sense.

Then he wants to lynch me early day1 because I was 'tryharding'. Another one of the stupidest things I've heard. I was the first to hard push onto someone with a small case of all the reasons that I thought someone was slightly scummy and oats thinks to himself "god kickstart sure is trying hard must me mafia". Again this makes no sense and I don't see a towny having that mindset of someone trying hard/pushing their current reads = scum and should be gotten rid of; just makes no sense.


Yet another vote with little explanation. His concern at the time from his posts around this was that noobs was doing a lot of advice instead of playing the game. This was thread sentiment though and I would say from a new player not necessarily alignment indicative, though on the other hand it could be an easy mislynch for mafia to go after how noobs was posting. He did back off of this vote after noob continuously kept giving advice but thread sentiment then was that noobs posting constant advice wasnt scummy so he had no real choice but to back off of it as that was his only reason for the vote.


He then hoped onto the bats wagon that was still gaining steam. Again based entirely around bats taking issue with his 'claim' of vt which is just stupid.

Then there is this hilarious post from him. He gets off of bats and onto geript and read what he says at the end. I find it amusing as that is how I would classify his play the entire game for the most part.

Someone else said it but Oats is quite guilty of posting a lot and hoping onto a lot of wagons but with not much reasoning behind them, so it is funny that early on he would tell someone they are not being helpful when doing this when this is how he has been playing.

More of the lets just lynch anybody and everybody not caring who it is:






Then I don't want to get into too much OMGUS because I am very prone to doing that, but his posting around my wagon is hilarious and so wishy washy, he can't even commit to a read there. First he says I'm obviously town, then asks around the thread to see if there can get a lynch on me, then he comes in again with his "ok lets just lynch him then". Its mind boggling.





Again I am prone to OMGUS but this is just weird and I can't help but feel he agrees that the points against me were NAI but then as soon as it looks like lynching me is a real possibility he immediately abandons his initial read that I am surely town, quite suspicious.

Oats is probably scum.

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On Sulfurus
Sulfurus has been scummy all game and has been extremely lurky. With a filter of only 2 pages and in those 2 pages little content and add to that that the content he does give is scummy overall Sulfurus just screams scummy.

I immediatly jumped all over him for this bullshit, is what he came into the thread with and to be honest his posting since has been just as bad:


The wishy-washyness continues:


He then hops on the bats wagon. Unlike oats who at least had the bullshit reason of bats not liking his vt claim, Sulf literally just says "I agree with you guys he is odd" and offers nothing:


Here is pulling what I will call 'an oats', that is just saying he is fine with lynching whoever (one of whom is confirmed town from a flip) while offering absolutely no reasoning. I'm sure you are willing to just lynch whoever since you are probably mafia.


More of him willing to lynch whoever for whatever:

He also votes on oats then me and offers little reasoning.

His play has just been so backseat and not pushing anything at all and then when he does come in and try to push something it is always off and seems scummy. Just look at his attitude here after the geript mislynch. Note that had geript not been lynched sulfuras was a liekly lynch.

I have so many problems with this quote. First off all he just sounds like he resigned to being lynched and afked. I usually class such behaviour as scummy. If you think you are going to be mislynched and are town, you should do everything in your power to give your thoughts and reads so that they are there after you are gone (like I am doing now xD). To me it is only in the interest of scum to clam up and not give out any information if they are on the chopping block because they dont want to give out any info, which is what sulf seems to have done here; he says nothing then comes in and says "oh thank god you didnt lynch me I just went afk because I was on the chopping block, yeah ok buddy. And then the last sentence of he is glad someone on his lynch list died even though that person is confirmed town is weird, especially since sulf has shown a willingness to lynch anyone and everyone for little to no reasons.

Sulf is also probably scum, and with even less to work with than oats and since he has shown that he is going to lurk as much as possible and be as vague and non committal as possible I think he is probably the best lynch at this point, and thus my vote remains there.

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On ruXxar
I am actually going to go ahead and get this post posted since there isnt much time left but I find ruxxar scummy too and have said so from the beginning. I do think he is most active of the three I have mentioned and he is giving us a lot of things to work with. I also am prone to being lenient with newer players and trying to always remember to take into account that new players may do certain things which seem off. THus while he is scummy, I think he is putting in a lot of effort and giving us a lot to work with in regards to his views and what actions he is taking and pushing so as the game progresses we can get even more info to work with from him. Unlike sulfurus and oats who are content to just sit back and not create any splashes but are still acting scummy he is being active, therefor of the three I would rather lynch into sulfurus and oats and ruxxar last even though I have found him to be somewhat scummy.

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Cut my ruxxar shit short but wanted to get this posted with a decent amount of time left. And before someone bitches about my huge post you all bitched at me for not playing like a typically do, so here you have it, the typical kickstart wall of text. Now go vote sulfurus.

On June 17 2015 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote:

I wasn't going to say anything yet to see where things went but I only really kept this going to try and force KS to play (and to some extent to see what I could draw out). He's probably not scum.

Damdred, Ruxxar?
##Unvote

On June 17 2015 04:39 Damdred wrote:
I'll consolidate on rux or Sul. I'd rather not lynch Ks today

On June 17 2015 06:52 Sulfurus wrote:
K before I die:

4 lynches
Oatsmaster
Kickstarter
Batsnacks
MoosyDoosy

If I don't get lynched: Scott31337

Top town
Rels

On June 17 2015 06:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:

You've agreed to lynch a lot more people than that, so the fact you're agreeing with him doesn't matter at all.

On June 17 2015 05:35 ruXxar wrote:


I will if you explain your change on Rels.

Make your argument, then name the cases in which I changed my vote and I'll answer all of them no problem.

On June 17 2015 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I'm still shocked you thought I was Mafia prior.