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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 00:56 GMT
#583
On June 04 2015 05:14 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:51 Kickstart wrote:
Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read?


I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on.

Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks.


Well me OMGUSing everything is a stretch. I went on milo and sl before they even mentioned me, and my read on GGT is the same with or without him directing anything at me. I am generally of the opinion that town reads aren't of much use D1, but I was pressured to name some earlier and I named yourself and VE, for basically the same reasons. I felt that you were both applying pressure when needed, you were both driving discussion, and both were being open and honest with your thoughts - all of which I think is helpful and thus I feel that you have been helpful for town up to this point. Does that mean I think you are both 100% town? No, but I feel confident in saying that I would not vote on either of you this cycle. To be honest the only other person I feel is slightly town atm is Nydus, but definitely not on the same level as you two. I have real issues with almost everyone else who I havent mentioned because I just feel their posts are void of strong feelings and I don't like that style of play. Namely I feel like Damdred, scott, Onegu, and Fideu (just off the top of my head) are not giving us anything to work with, their posts are void of reads and strong opinions, and while Damdred has asked a lot of questions and put a bit of pressure on at times, he is still guilty of not giving us his thoughts (though he said this is how he plays and that he will wait to make a stronger case when he is ready - which I intend to hold him too, if Day 1 ends and he is still guilty of what I outlined above I will have some real questions about him because he has been active enough and seems experiences and good enough to give some solid reads but has yet to do so). I think scott and fideu are new so I can understand the reluctance to stick their necks out on anything but I don't feel that is a real excuse, they still need to share their thoughts on things. Onegu seems to have arrived late on the scene but already his posting style is suspicious to me, much too much joking around; while this is normal and understandable at the start of the game, I feel like there is plenty of content to actually address, which he has not done. Can anyone tell me if this is normal posting from Onegu?


Kick, I've been reading you town so far this game, but can you please not make posts like this? This wall of text is really hard on my eyes and is painful to read. I bet a lot of people just skipped it or skimmed it.

I also agree with ritoky's take on that post. It's a lot of words that don't say much. You're mostly rehashing stuff you've already said or that have been expressed in the thread already.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 01:04 GMT
#586
@milo
This is one of the first posts I actually like from you, possibly just because I'm seeing town in Fidei as well.

On June 04 2015 09:33 milo109 wrote:
I would say it was, except for the sheer amount of dumb tells in it. His Damdred cop read seems forced. However, if his point of view is someone who has never played any type of mafia before, then it's possible he's just really misreading the quote that way. If I had to answer that question, I'd say that this makes Fidei very town, but I'm going to accept the possibility that he might be a good enough player to type that as mafia.


Care to explain what you mean by dumb tells though? I've heard the phrase before but only sorta get what people mean when they say it. Can you give me an example so I can see what you mean?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 01:07 GMT
#588
On June 04 2015 09:56 ritoky wrote:
so TT are all of your reads firmly rooted in OMGUS? or?


I'm trying not to, which is why I've waited till now to vote on GG or point out this stuff from SL.

Do you not see more than OMGUS in my posts about them?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 01:14 GMT
#591
On June 04 2015 10:07 ritoky wrote:
i think templar's reasons for voting you were made independent of SL, but sure.

the rest of this i have absolutely 0 idea how you found any alignment indicative information in any of this. like you are trying to make nuanced discussion out of utter garbage. to me it's almost like you feel compelled to give an SL read but there's no content from SL but you feel compelled to read him. so you said some stuff that was just wharrrrgarble. you coulda just said "SL hasn't done anything particularly productive so he could be mafia". i just find this post highly unnecessary and unconvincing.


This could very well be true, I def felt GG was sheeping SL's sentiment though, if not his thinking.

Yea them being a team is prob me dipping into WIFOM.

As for the "wharrrrgarble" stuff. I'm noticing stuff in SL's play that stands out to me as different from what I'm used to. Given that he's been town in both games I've played in thus far, I think me noticing new plays by him is a valid cause for me to start suspecting him.

I'll grant you it's not the most solid line of thinking, but then he's not my vote is he?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 01:32 GMT
#596
Your right Damdred, I guess you two mixed up kus you both posted right after that.

On June 04 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah.


You were definitely the one who expressed that thought I was agreeing with.

All credit goes to Damdred guys, please remove credit given to ritoky
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#597
@ ritoky

I did ask about this playstyle of his(GG's) a few people have mentioned.

Is it something he's done before or some kinda play that's established?

I'm also not sure why you are all over me here too, but at least your not doing this indirect pushing or ignoring me.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 01:58 GMT
#600
Scott is looking better given his posts today. I'm holding him to this post in particular, but I don't want to lynch him today.

On June 04 2015 04:47 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:
I'm back now -

On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.

I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).

My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point.


I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do -

On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia.


I'm going to keep an eye on him for now.

Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up.

VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way.

From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite.

I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so.


do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads.


GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well.



When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game?


I have friends from out of state with me right now and they leave later today so I'm not spending a whole lot of time on the game at the moment. I'll pick it up later today/tomorrow,


Onegu posts are pretty underwhelming this far... but his intro post and this one gave me a decent laugh.
On June 04 2015 04:15 Onegu wrote:
So here we go.

In Thailand Milo is Chocolate powder. So that means Chocolate and Milo must be on the same team. Since chocolate is so tasty they must both be town.


I recall doing a similar "read" on 27nb last game D1.

On May 22 2015 09:56 Tictock wrote:
See his whole case doesn't make sense.

First 27 is clearly a better number than 26. Ends in a prime, multiple of nine AND 3...

2nd the 27 is CLEARLY attached to ninja more than bunnies, yet BM is asserting that there is too little Ninja. When is there ever too little Ninja? I mean the very absence of Ninja IS Ninja....


I guess I have to admit that he's really pretty null thus far, but I like his tone. Idk just a gut thing I guess...

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 02:32 GMT
#610
Ok last thing I was wanting to reread and look at for now. This whole VE, Chocolate, and Milo thing.

VE struck me as town pretty easily, prob something I need to recheck but I'm prob going to go with it today. Not sure I like how tunneled he seems to be. He made one post which looked like he was willing to drop it, but now he seems to be right back on Chocolate like he's peanut butter or something... + Show Spoiler +
Sorry, that was weak. I'll stop trying to be funny...


As for choclate himself, he''s kinda just OMGUS right back at VE. Milo isn't going this route, but he is clearly frustrated by the whole thing...

My personal opinion is that that all 3 are probably town here and are just over reacting to a rather stupid "he's afk" comment. I don't expect anything fruitful to come from this interaction.

This post in Chocolate's filter caught my eye though...
On June 03 2015 10:41 Chocolate wrote:
I don't play forum mafia very much but I don't like the idea of having town reads. To me that seems somewhat counter-productive since at this point any player could be town. It's easy for a scum player to post in a "town-friendly" way (which is I think a reiteration of the "tryhard" vibe). I believe it would be much more productive for people to look for scum reads than to try to identify people as town

@ VE do you have any opinions about people other than me and milo


At first that sounds reasonable, but then I have to stop and think. Isn't it just as easy, or beneficial, for Mafia to be putting a lot of scum onto people? Also for someone who is putting alot of emphasis on scum reads being important I can't help but look at his list of people he'd like to lynch.

On June 03 2015 23:30 Chocolate wrote:
Scott
VE
Onegu
GG

I would pick Scott as my #1


2 people who were not very present in the game, VE, and GG. I can't find a read on GG from Choco in his filter at all, so really VE is his only real read here. That doesn't seem like very decent scum reads to me from a guy who is stressing their importance.

@ Choco
I see your more active atm. Care to update us on your scum reads?

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 02:37 GMT
#612
On June 04 2015 11:06 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 10:58 Tictock wrote:
Scott is looking better given his posts today. I'm holding him to this post in particular, but I don't want to lynch him today.

On June 04 2015 04:47 scott31337 wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:
I'm back now -

On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.

I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).

My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point.


I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do -

On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia.


I'm going to keep an eye on him for now.

Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up.

VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way.

From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite.

I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so.


do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads.


GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well.



When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game?


I have friends from out of state with me right now and they leave later today so I'm not spending a whole lot of time on the game at the moment. I'll pick it up later today/tomorrow,


Onegu posts are pretty underwhelming this far... but his intro post and this one gave me a decent laugh.
On June 04 2015 04:15 Onegu wrote:
So here we go.

In Thailand Milo is Chocolate powder. So that means Chocolate and Milo must be on the same team. Since chocolate is so tasty they must both be town.


I recall doing a similar "read" on 27nb last game D1.

On May 22 2015 09:56 Tictock wrote:
See his whole case doesn't make sense.

First 27 is clearly a better number than 26. Ends in a prime, multiple of nine AND 3...

2nd the 27 is CLEARLY attached to ninja more than bunnies, yet BM is asserting that there is too little Ninja. When is there ever too little Ninja? I mean the very absence of Ninja IS Ninja....


I guess I have to admit that he's really pretty null thus far, but I like his tone. Idk just a gut thing I guess...




????????????????????????????? what the hell is that scott read??????????

and you're saying templar's reads are weak LOL.

i think me and this guy are reading separate games.


You know what ritoky. I'm starting to rethink you this game as well.

So far you seem to like to shit on other peoples reads, but I don't see you giving any of your own.

What are your reads atm? Who do you think is the best lynch for today?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 03:19 GMT
#617
On June 04 2015 12:09 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 11:37 Tictock wrote:
On June 04 2015 11:06 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 10:58 Tictock wrote:
Scott is looking better given his posts today. I'm holding him to this post in particular, but I don't want to lynch him today.

On June 04 2015 04:47 scott31337 wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:
I'm back now -

On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.

I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).

My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point.


I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do -

On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia.


I'm going to keep an eye on him for now.

Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up.

VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way.

From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite.

I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so.


do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads.


GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well.



When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game?


I have friends from out of state with me right now and they leave later today so I'm not spending a whole lot of time on the game at the moment. I'll pick it up later today/tomorrow,


Onegu posts are pretty underwhelming this far... but his intro post and this one gave me a decent laugh.
On June 04 2015 04:15 Onegu wrote:
So here we go.

In Thailand Milo is Chocolate powder. So that means Chocolate and Milo must be on the same team. Since chocolate is so tasty they must both be town.


I recall doing a similar "read" on 27nb last game D1.

On May 22 2015 09:56 Tictock wrote:
See his whole case doesn't make sense.

First 27 is clearly a better number than 26. Ends in a prime, multiple of nine AND 3...

2nd the 27 is CLEARLY attached to ninja more than bunnies, yet BM is asserting that there is too little Ninja. When is there ever too little Ninja? I mean the very absence of Ninja IS Ninja....


I guess I have to admit that he's really pretty null thus far, but I like his tone. Idk just a gut thing I guess...




????????????????????????????? what the hell is that scott read??????????

and you're saying templar's reads are weak LOL.

i think me and this guy are reading separate games.


You know what ritoky. I'm starting to rethink you this game as well.

So far you seem to like to shit on other peoples reads, but I don't see you giving any of your own.

What are your reads atm? Who do you think is the best lynch for today?


yeah you're not even reading the game.

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On June 04 2015 08:08 ritoky wrote:
well his nydus read makes no sense. but i can't tell whether that makes him scum making up a read or just some guy who generally posts what immediately comes to mind before considering it. regardless it makes me less prone to trust the reads he is giving regardless of his alignment.

i have my worries about nydus cuz he disagrees with me on everything and got some super easy town reads for minimal stuff. but maybe that's just cuz he keeps calling me mafia.

i have some worries about scott which may legit be irl stuff like he said, but he is less pro-active and inquisitive this game. seems to be more concerned with fitting in and not being lynched which is pretty meh. but lots of people don't like scott...in fact no1 does. which might make him town.

chocolate might be mafia cuz VE says so and cuz he wants to policy lynch inactives over someone he developed a scum read on and i don't understand why.

last is probably ticktock but i couldn't tell you why. that one post i pointed out and couldn't explain it...dunno, it really bugged me and i haven't gotten over it LOL.


that's literally the answer to your question not even 3 pages ago. but hey, largest filter in the game, probably most reads given of anyone...0 reads given...you got it bro.


Those were your reads?

Those all look pretty null to me. You have a lot of "worries" about people, and are unsure of me because of something you dont even get yourself...

Here, maybe you can understand my point if I try to speak your language...
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I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 03:26 GMT
#619
On June 04 2015 12:17 milo109 wrote:
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On June 04 2015 10:04 Tictock wrote:
Care to explain what you mean by dumb tells though? I've heard the phrase before but only sorta get what people mean when they say it. Can you give me an example so I can see what you mean?


Not knowing what VT means, and assuming an random phrase was a cop claim. These are all potentially innocent mistakes, and God knows I haven't been all correct this game. Just pointing them out for what they are, blatant signals that the author is either newbie town or experienced mafia.


Ah, prefect then i was understanding you correctly. I'm also glad that you don't seem as tunneled on the VE-Choco stuff anymore.

What do you think about GG?

Also any thoughts about this interaction between ritoky and myself? I think he made a decent point before about me getting kinda OMGUS in my reads so far, and I feel like I'm close to that point regarding him as well.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 03:54 GMT
#623
Fair enough. I prob should just take a break from the game for a bit here...

Just getting tired of getting scummed this game for little to no reason.

I get it, I'm a new person here you all want to push people you don't know and get reads on them. I accepted that early on when there wasn't much to go on, but at this point in the game I've done plenty to give you guys material to work with.

If you still have a hard time reading me, check the 2 most recent NSM games which I played in.

@ritoky
Maybe that's what you are reacting to? My play has changed a lot since the first game I played with you.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 04:35 GMT
#638
On June 04 2015 13:02 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 12:54 Tictock wrote:
Fair enough. I prob should just take a break from the game for a bit here...

Just getting tired of getting scummed this game for little to no reason.

I get it, I'm a new person here you all want to push people you don't know and get reads on them. I accepted that early on when there wasn't much to go on, but at this point in the game I've done plenty to give you guys material to work with.

If you still have a hard time reading me, check the 2 most recent NSM games which I played in.

@ritoky
Maybe that's what you are reacting to? My play has changed a lot since the first game I played with you.


here's the concise reason without any fluff of why i think you could be scum:
1) i don't agree with your reads and they are the opposite of mine in a lot of cases which means 1 of us is probably pretty wrong. and i don't think it is me.
2) i think your SL read is completely manufactured and making something out of nothing because you feel compelled to read him for some reason.
3) you are self centered and OMGUSing a lot. mafia tend to notice with a lot more frequency posts and accusations that target them and tend to talk about them more. i find you doing this a shit ton.
4) you made a post that gave me absolutely terrible feels.
5) you think templar is mafia for bogus reasons that have very little to do with content and a bit of hypocrisy.
6) your entry into the thread was very notice me senpai
7) "Just getting tired of getting scummed this game for little to no reason." implies there is a good reason to scum read you implying your scum (this last one is nitpicky and me being a ponce)


Ok last response to you today, kus I don't think we are getting anywhere with this back and forth anymore.

1) Whatever, we disagree that happens. I could easily flip this argument around as well. I don't like your reads, but mine seem good to me... I think your missing the possibility where we are both wrong here...
2) I pointed out stuff that makes me wary about SL because I haven't seen him use tactics like them before. How is this different from your saying I made a post that gave you "terrible feels"?
3) A lot of people on these forums are self centered, get over it. Also doesn't town have an obligation to try and keep themselves from gettin lynched, just as much as scum wants to avoid getting lynched? Not wanting to be voted on is pretty NAI in my opinion.
4) Don't use this as a reason if you can't accept others using it too.
5) I'm responding more to the way that he is going about his play. Like I feel it's really shitty that he's said I'm scum but isn't bothering to read what I'm posting. Like if I was totally going off of OMGUS I should be scumming you right? I'm not because you are clearly responding to my posts and we have established a dialog, I'm pretty sure you are town from that just not 100%.
6 & 7 both seem nitpicky to me

Since I feel like your own reads are pretty weak I also find you being hypocritical calling mine weak. At this point I think we should just agree to disagree and hate each other for the rest of the game... ok?
+ Show Spoiler +
Not serious about that, I just really feel like this is a total "kettle calling the pot black" situation
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 08:37 GMT
#663
@ scott

My read on you had changed even before you posted your little quote + picture thing. Your a weak town lean for me atm.

My initial read on you was actually kinda null. I mentioned you might be scum since I was noticing a similarity in your posts this game to last game where you were mafia. The whole thing was a pretty weak meta read tbh. In fact having reviewed some of the post game stuff from NSM X I see that you went inactive that game due to internet issues, not anything to do with alignment.

Given that, I do need to give you a fresh read, so here I go.

First I notice you've mentioned this a couple times...
Still worries me no one defending GG much.

I kinda like your thought process here. Your saying that since nobody is even trying to defend him it suggests to you that he is Town yes?

I see one flaw in that thinking and would like to use last game as evidence. Whats to stop scum from bussing their partner? That's what your team did last game when you fell under suspicion and were not around to defend yourself.

Besides, there is one person who has been pretty outspoken about defending GG, and you just spent the last page interacting with him. Not sure how you missed ritoky saying this...
As for what I like, look at his filter. To me he highlights all but maybe 1 or 2 of what I thought were the most important posts in the first 20 pages and gives an opinion/read on them. He comments on kickstart's opening, he comments on SL/TT interactions, he properly reads me town, he comments on kickstart being bullish, he comments on nydus' entry, and then he addresses the questions posed to him after he catches up. It just reads as town reading the thread and commenting on stuff he finds relevant.

The bolded part is just me picking at Nits again. I find it odd that ritoky throws in a subtle "I'm town" in the middle of his read on GG. Still his overall points aren't too bad, and even has me rethinking my own position a little.

I'd still like to hear from GG himself though. It really does bug me that he'd scum me early on then ignore my reactions to it. Him asking me to restate my response didn't help, kus it also tells me that he isn't willing to do his own reading + Show Spoiler +
this is a trend I've noticed in this community that REALLY bugs me. Reading is super important in forum based Mafia, if you can't be bothered to do it, imho, you shouldn't be here. It looks like GG might be new here, so maybe I'm overreacting.


This has me questioning just how much you yourself are paying attn to this game. I'm not going to scum you for not having 100% perfect reading retention or comprehension though.

Actually the whole interaction I saw between you and ritoky looked pretty good. This question to Kick was great,
Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart?

That tells me that even though you're scumming GG you are looking beyond him as well. That is great town thinking imo, scum would just focus w/e target they pick and try to get others to do the same no?

I also like how you pointed out that my "read" on milo there was kinda bad. I don't really like the term "wishy washy" I think it's one of those political terms that attacks indecisiveness, but w/e you have a point. I was giving milo some benefit of the doubt for being new here and was mostly saying I need to see more from him to get a solid read.

Thus far I'm not super impressed with him. He's a slight scum lean to me. I poked him a little when I was interacting with ritoky to see what he would do. Mostly I saw him deflecting and not wanting to get pulled into the discussion there. I did find it interesting how me mentions that he doesn't agree with GG being a good lynch.

Actually...
@milo
Care to expand on your thoughts on GG?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 08:42 GMT
#664
Bah, excuse my wandering thoughts last post. I woke up middle of the night because it's too hot and muggy where I am, prob should go take a shower or something to fully wake up and keep myself from just posting a stream of thought.

Scott, I think your a pretty strong town lean right now. Honestly I'm not sure I would have voted for you today anyways. I'd feel terrible seeing you lynched D1 3 games in a row... lol.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 09:17 GMT
#665
Even after cooling off nothing new is sticking out to me. My current top scum list looks like:

GG
Choco
milo
SL

SL might actually be higher up than milo, he's lurking too much for my tastes this game.

Onegu should prob be on that list as well, there was something about his tone I liked though. Need to see more out of him before I have a solid read though.

There's a few other players I'm not paying much attn to atm, Nydus & Fidei most notably I think. I'll be around before and through EoD so I'll reassess then.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 09:43 GMT
#669
On June 04 2015 18:39 Onegu wrote:
Didnt I already tell you Milo and Chocolate are town. I am fairly certain I posted that...


And what if I told you I prefer Vanilla...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 10:03 GMT
#672
On June 04 2015 18:59 Fidei86 wrote:
@ritoky - Could you give an explanation for why you have changed up your play-style so much from the start, where you were posting images and generally appearing to be something of a troll, to now where you are asking good questions and giving good analysis. It's confusing to me, and I'd be very interested in your reasoning / thought-process.


This is a pretty useless post to be honest.

I'm far more interested in what his change of style makes you think about him...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 10:04 GMT
#673
Not that I should be commenting about useless posts atm >.<
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 04 2015 10:07 GMT
#674
@ Fidei
Sorry let me be clear.

I'm far more interested to hear what YOU make of ritoky's change in style, than to see you post that and wait for his response
I can take that responsibility.
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