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On June 02 2015 19:36 Tictock wrote:
Like, what if it's 2 mafia RBs, who are weak. 1shot RB's?
What if plots used his only real RB on you to allow him to claim Town RB?
That looks like a balanced setup according to that link.
This is the stuff we need to consider if the setup is weird.
N/m double checked OP. It doesn't look like RBs can be weak this game.
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@ Bara
I'm trying to understand how to use that site.
If I'm reading it right, if our game got rolled into having 2 RBs, either 2 for Mafia or 1 for each side, then that means one of those RB's has to be weak right?
It also seems to suggest that a single mason setup is considered the same as an Innocent Child role. That would suggest Bre has to have a partner mason.
So following what we know, there are 2 RBs this game, a GF, a Cop, and 2 Masons.
That would mean that the likely setup for Scum is (according to that link)
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
Am I using that right?
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I'm also noticing this at the top of the mechanics part of that page.
This setup uses a Daystart
Our game used a N0 start, right?
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No I stopped thinking about SK seriously when you guys pointed out that it doesn't make sense that SK would hold his/her KP.
Thanks for the info though. That helps me out a bit not feeling so lost with setup stuff.
@plots
Isn't there 2 B's though?
So a single T setup.
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Well thanks for some responses there guys. Giving me things to think about is a great way to keep me from tunneling ^.^
I'd still like more responses to those questions I posted.
Also Bara. You called my read on you weak since it was based on an old scum game of yours.
In case you missed my response. I never read that game, I was just using plots reasoning to RB you as a reason to scum you. I personally dislike meta reads. I thought it was really interesting plots used that as a reason to scum you though.
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On June 02 2015 20:06 Barakos wrote:
It's just one B - two B would be rb + oneshot rb.
God I hate this stuff.
It's actually 3B, but it's a moot point kus that just lands us back at a normal Mafia team.
Ok so I guess plots is pretty much confirmed town RB then.
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On June 02 2015 20:17 Barakos wrote:
yeah, didn't see that response.
Saw you mentioning it in one of your cases and since you used that reasoning to scumread me and build a case on it, you kind of adopted it... which you shouldn't do, because if it's not your own logic, it kinda doesn't belong in your case, if you didn't at least check it.
Pretty sure I said something in that case about not believing meta reads actually.
Still find it odd that 27nb suddenly was willing to sheep my vote after that case though, not the others. Prob over-thinking it, I guess.
Like I said, I thought it was the far weaker case..
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Anyways, I'll try and leave it at that for tonight. Sorry to be such a broken record on the plots stuff.
So going forward with thinking Bara, plots, and myself as confirmed town. That leaves Dis, SL, and BF.
At this point I'd prob go with BF as top scum, could go either way on SL, and Dis last.
I'll try and get on reading some of those filters again when/as we move into day phase.
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On June 02 2015 20:16 plotspot wrote:I have no idea about this one shot cop or one shot RB thingy, because we don't even have that here. But if CCMMBTT is considered a fair option, than it's exactly what we have so far. Show nested quote +On June 02 2015 20:05 Tictock wrote:
No I stopped thinking about SK seriously when you guys pointed out that it doesn't make sense that SK would hold his/her KP.
Thanks for the info though. That helps me out a bit not feeling so lost with setup stuff.
@plots
Isn't there 2 B's though?
So a single T setup. No, the B thing is just for Town RB. Mafia setup (+SK) entirely depends on the number of Ts.
Your right, I was misreading that still. Really not a fan of these semi-open setups.
Maybe I'm just too new here to have a solid feel on it.
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Actually I had missed that vote on BF from bunnies.
Would she be willing to throw a vote on her partner yesturday? I really don't think she would given how close the votes were. They could have swung so easily.
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On June 02 2015 18:49 boxerfred wrote:
SL, why do you get so hard on me now? In case you're wondering if I am bunnies potential scum ally, here you go:
D2: I voted bunnies. My vote would have gotten her lynched (it gave her the majority at this point). Bats switched.
D3: I voted bunnies. My vote would help kill a scum member. I didn't switch although the claimed cop gave me an easy excuse to switch (if I was scum a member that is). Disinformation switched though, claiming he "flipped a coin".
D4: I unvote bunnies, making no difference at all, not even trying to (since it was literally a last minute change).
Barakos is a green check, Tictocks. Only case where he'd be scum would be in a GF + GF + RB scenario.
However, you tryharding really makes me reconsider the idea of having two masons by now. I PM'ed the host, it's possible there's only one mason is.
I want Plots to RB me this night. If nothing happens, boom I'm scum. If someone dies, oh look I'm not scum and we can go for auto in between SL and Disinformation. If it turns out that there is only one mason in (in breshke), well fuck. But tbh I don't think so. I really want to be confirmed as town. It's between Disinfo and SL (it's not like I said this on D2 and D3).
I recalled BF making this post. I figured I'd do the same and ask if a mafia setup of RB, RB, GF would be possible.
The only thing we can confirm, however, is that we do not know the # of each role.
This game...
I REALLY have a hard time believing Bunnies would be willing to vote her partner. So BF is prob not scum since she voted him yesterday.
So from that logic, 27nb never voted for plots, myself, or Dis...
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However...
She did vote Dis D1, and it was in effort to stay off of the scott wagon. Dis is prob not her partner here either...
This... kinda leads me back to plots...
I mean it is REALLY unlikely that 27nb would vote Dis like she did D1 if he was her partner. No way does she vote on her 3rd teammate when scott is already looking to get lynched.
Similarly D4 the votes are too close and can swing too easily for her to be able to risk voting her partner. Sure I get the idea of bussing, but that wouldn't happen unless scum was already being heavily targeted by town.
Somebody... is there a flaw in my thinking here?
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On June 03 2015 03:26 disformation wrote:
well. bunnies voted me day1 of a constructed connection between boxer and me. boxerfred and sicklucker both voted her d2 and d3. though that could have been attempts to bus...
D2 votes could be Bus, your right.
D3... nah 27nb was not really the top target. Scum has no reason to bus their partners unless it is highly likely that they are getting lynched that day already.
You are right though, the way she targeted you over BF D1 when she "reads" an association between you two is odd. The same kinda odd how she supported my ideas on plots yet never voted him, but was totally willing to jump on Bara.
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@BF
SL is probably one of the hardest people to read in these newbie games. + Show Spoiler +Another reason I've been suspecting plots. How does he not have that issue?
What do you think about my thoughts based on 27nb's filter? Is there much to glean from there?
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Only you think that SL...
Tictock im a really easy read your just stubborn...
Why else would Bats and Bre pressure you so much D1 to get decent reads on you?
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Like I'm just really tired of hearing how this whole game revolves around SL.
How you state, "this is so obviously true" In a NEWBIE game where there WILL be people to whom it is Not obvious.
You really contribute little to nothing in these games.
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On June 03 2015 04:02 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:48 Tictock wrote:
Like I'm just really tired of hearing how this whole game revolves around SL.
How you state, "this is so obviously true" In a NEWBIE game where there WILL be people to whom it is Not obvious.
You really contribute little to nothing in these games. This whole game does revolve around me currently stop being arrogant. If we dont lynch me town wins. So as a good town player its my job to make this entire game about me
Lol, you actually made those 2 statements in the same sentence...
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On June 03 2015 06:53 Barakos wrote:I'll go full tinfoilhat right now and propose this: You wanted to give up but weren't allowed, because there is a SK in the game, who hasn't shown up yet. So when you wanted to give up cake was all like "no can do, got 3rd party in the game" and now you need to fight to not get lynched. + Show Spoiler +Also it's funny watching you try again... I'm a dick sometimes, i guess.
Bara... I'm so sorry I ever doubted you now, lol. I also like those hats ^.^
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If plots doest die hes scum yes?
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Yep, TT confirmed retarded.
Welp, I'm gunna need to clear my head and try to come back to this game with fresh thinking. Way too tunneled.
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