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Because I read sickluker's filter and I don't like it for several reasons.
First reason
In a few of his posts he either says he's town or gives argument to why someone should read him town. Apparently SL is a good player, so that could be straight up subtile manipulation. It is the tactics from commercials; one can only see something so many times before one starts thinking it's true, not knowing where the thought came by. I'm talking about these posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again? On May 22 2015 09:21 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
It also says the all Qts were active in the like initial start of game post.
I'm not going to read you for a dumbbell SL I'm going to read you on giving nonsensical town reads and not thinking critically about the game well you should because thats how you read me town On May 22 2015 09:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 09:30 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 09:22 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
@tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.
Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.
##vote: sicklucker I really like this post and not even because it's telling people to vote SL the thought process is spot on. its really nothing special. And im already playing and trying so its pretty pointless Trying? Saying your town for dumbtelling when its completly within your ability to do it as scum and your only read being that im scum for not calling you town for said dumbtell. I don't call that trying. I get it is early but do you have opinions on anyone? What do you think of disinfo now that the QT thing has been corrected? town points for not realizing their was a scum qt up for 24 hours like any town should On May 22 2015 11:22 sicklucker wrote:
oh I totally took that post out of context hes asking me a qeustion pretty poor writinng . Oh well easy to read me town off that On May 22 2015 11:37 sicklucker wrote:
im so town it hurts
Second reason
On May 22 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote:
@Breshke
Humm you have a point. He did post an handful of stuff pretty fast and then bounce. Seems to be have just made a weak townread and then the weak towny post about not confusing us newbies.
Last game when he was town he never gave a shit about confusing us newbies. Now he's making this post defending newbies and town reading Dis, one of the newbies who was also in the last game with us. This does seem like he's scum motivated.
Straigth up this. I read student IX game, and SL was town and didn't give a shit about newbies.
Third reason
He says that BM is a lynch bait, but says this:
On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote:
bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind
That could be read as "lynch him if you want, when he flips green i'm going to be right". Seems to me like he almost want BM to be lynched without him on the train.
That's it. I know SL's reputation of doing weird shit. Still, these reasons seems good to me to pressure him.
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On May 22 2015 20:19 Barakos wrote:
The thing in his filter, that looks a bit suspicious is the way he attacked you and me because our posts were 6 minutes apart and yours contained a comment on my post. He just dropped in basically said "you two are mafia together and plan your posts in your qt" and drops out without any form of questions or followup. Didn't like that at all. Especially since he doesn't even directly say "you two are mafia and are making plans together", which would be a valid accusation, someone could track back to him. He does it subtly without commiting to his suspicion and that's kinda putting me of.
He'll have to anser to that, once he returns.
That's exactly what I don't like, he does a lot of things subtily.
On May 22 2015 20:19 Barakos wrote:
The other thing is, that he soft-defends bm at several occasions, saying bm is a troll and lynchbait and that's something I agree with.. bm is kind of unreadable for me at the moment, so lynching him at this point would be a coinflip.
I can totally agree with that argument of BM being a lynchbait. But I don't like the way SL said it.
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Welcome back dis! You had two posts made against you could you answer them ? For reference they are on spoiler here:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 16:49 Barakos wrote:Morning everyone! I'm here now and almost done to catching up. First thoughts: I like breschke pushing/tunneling sl, to prevent him from being lazy. Makes breschke look town in my eyes. What I didn't like was disformations filter. All he has done so far is posting fluff and agreeing to people but not contributing in any form, except a very weak and non-commiting push on bm for lurking. And then there are these 2 posts: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:07 disformation wrote:
Uh... so let me try this...
The italic part says a good towny is up to talk about things happening in the thread and does not be too super defensive if someone else calls him scum. He is open and active and tries to get people to talk in order to find scum.
And the other part says that he should look at all the people and be open to reconsider his reads, otherwise he might tunnel super hard.
Still super cryptic stuff. At least I had something to think about for a bit. xD Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 09:01 disformation wrote:Uh. Didn't realize the Mafia QT would be open since 24h either. Otherwise I would have said something about his cheap read. xD Still not seeing a lot to lynch sicklucker though. I kinda expected him to post "lol didn't read" stuff regardless of his alignment anyway. Though he was super eager to paint himself townie: On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again? Solid town read on Tictock for now. Asking all the questions I wish I had asked. xDI agree that BM should explain his bunnies vote, if he is as serious as he claims. In the bolded parts, he explains what good townplay should look like, and what he would like to have done. And that is all he does... he explains and doesn't follow up with anything, that would be good townplay... he just shows, that he knows, what town should do but does actually nothing. But since he shows, that he knows, what good townplay looks like, he is still "looking good" and tries to give the impression, that he is town but just hasn't had the opportunity to really do stuff. So for now my vote is on him. ##vote disformation On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote:Hey! I knew i remembered your name my first game was your first game barakos but lets not remember that game. You raise a good point. Looking through his filter he doesn't seem to draw conclusions from stuff like in your last quote he says a bunch of stuff about SL but doesn't really draw a conclusion from any of it. I do kind of like the reason he gave for the ticktock townread while the reason doesn't hold weight with me I think it is a good reason to town-read someone. It is good enough for me to change my vote though ##Unvote
##Vote disformation(totally thought his name was disinformation) I also kind of don't like this Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 12:00 scott31337 wrote:On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote:
oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow
*celebrate good times come on* What kind of post is this? You weren't even able to post any original thoughts before you left? When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy
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I think his main point was more that you posted a lot, but didn't make a case nor questioned anyone.
So I think he will be glad to read your case on bunnies when you make it.
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So plotspot just posted another excuse to not do much. I don't have any reads on him, due to him not posting anything, but I would agree lynching him if he doesn't step up.
List of people I would agree to lynch atm, in order:
BM
plotspot
scott
SL
27nb
batsnacks
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Nice! Looking forward your reactions when you're finished!
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On May 22 2015 22:28 Rels wrote:
Nice! Looking forward your reactions when you're finished!
EBWOP @plotspot
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On May 22 2015 22:23 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 21:37 Tictock wrote:Alright I'm up and back at it again. Rels looks pretty town. I like that he is keeping some pressure on SL and that he picked up on my strongest scum read on SL. So far I'm not sure I like boxerfred. He's definitely giving off that newbie vibe but I really don't like how he is going about his reads atm. I mean he starts off giving us 2 posts about how he doesn't know what to take seriously and that he doesn't know who to vote for. Then this pile of WIFOM leads him to a vote? On May 22 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:
Barakos going the coach way :D I was just starting to ask my coach about that. However, thus far I think I'll go for the guy who voted 27ninjabunnies (which would be BM) since he did not really have a clue and just started with an accusation. That kinda points to the SK role or even a scum role. Can't really tell. However, since Breshke and batsnacks, as well as BM and tictock cast their votes for the same person, they might be somehow linked to each other in their roles, implying they are either scum or masons.
Since a mason wouldn't have to cast his vote in a seemingly random/trolly kind of way, I'm going for Bill Murray. Especially since he is no newbie, so I can safely assume he didn't troll but instead made a random vote on purpose.
So here we go: ##Vote Bill Murray @BF Your looking too hard for associations and possible role tells before we have any solid (such as flip) info. Based on post content alone, and not possible interactions, who would you read as scum? "WIFOM"?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM
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On May 22 2015 22:39 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:36 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 07:45 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 07:24 sicklucker wrote:
Im giving disinfo my classic cheap town read.
Reasons hes in the thread asap and not basking in the wonders of seeing a scum qt for the first time. he would have had 24 to get over the wonders of a scum qt though. Also Hi ahhhh maybe your right. I dumbtelled! sh*t, I won't get this conversation unless some friendly soul explains to me what "scum qt" means in this context or in general. qt as in cutie, right? but "scum qt"? also "wonders of scum qt"? wat?
QT=http://www.quicktopic.com/
A place where people can discuss freely.
Like the QT you probably have with your coach.
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...
I have the strong feeling you're playing dumb.
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On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:22 disformation wrote:Okay. bunnies time. On May 22 2015 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
EBWOP:
Scum
#Vote: Sicklucker Starts with randomly voting sicklucker. kay. Pretty NAI imo. On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:
Oh yeah and SL is mafia
##Vote Sicklucker Glad we can agree on something. Though I am curious, why do you think he is mafia? I saw something about dumbtelling, but I am unsure exactly what the dumbtell was on. Agrees with Breshke. Not seeing why. Apparently even Bunnies was not sure why they are agreeing. Not being sure about the dumbtell is a sign of not reading properly. Which I don't like either. On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 08:38 sicklucker wrote:
Breske realizes scum qt was given out 24 hours ago. Would he be this blatantly obv as scum? bunnies are you the veg because you might need to shoot him again I will neither confirm nor deny I am a role. I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, I could possibly be down for a breshke lynch if we don't lynch you today. I see a bus in the midst. From the same post as last quote. First agrees with Breshke and then is like "nah, let us lynch you". Because "I see a bus"? On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Everyone who is considered a newbie, answer this: What is the most important thing you think has happened in the game so far? I like this question. But it is a really general question. Not sure if it would be hard for mafia to ask stuff like this. On May 22 2015 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Give me substance BM! I know you can do it! I agree, but again this is a question Mafia could also have asked easily. On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sulfurus top town newbie read.
Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days Then this. Can't see how Sulfurus can be seen as more townie than ticktoc of that one post... that had a strange thing in it (the accusation thing I explained earlier)? Pocket attempt? Was the question a setup for Sulfurus they agreed on in their QT? Me no like. On May 22 2015 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 12:30 sicklucker wrote:
Plots one post was so null it hurts I agree What do you think about bunnies saying she didn't know what reasons I was pushing you for but then going on to say that she would lunch both of us because she thought it could be a bus before I clarified the reason This is a great question! + Show Spoiler +And you fell right into my reaction trap. Breshke, what do YOU think of this? + Show Spoiler + When asked about stuff that I also pointed out the reaction is total deflection and trying to laugh it of. Me no like. In my book bunnies is not looking good at all. Totally leaning scum. I need to look at a few other ppl, but I guess I am willing to vote on bunnies as of now. Okay, so let's look at this post. First off, I actually like you. I disagree with the pushon you. Secondly, the vote on SL was due to him first coming into the thread with "Confirmed town". Troll post=troll vote. However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. When saying Breshke and SL were partners, in part I was joking. I was trying to get some type of reaction from SL, which if I remember correctly I don't think I ever got. It was Breshke that actually started questioning this, which I really REALLY like of Breshke. As SL said, I shot him as vig in a previous game, he was mafia. I usually have a good read on Breshke, and this questioning makes me think that Breshke is town. So even if I didn't get information out of SL from this (SL prob still my top lynch, followed by newbie Boxer for that awful first couple of posts), I did get information on Breshke's alignment.
OK I like your defense. Except for one point. Can you explain this ?
On May 22 2015 22:22 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 12:30 sicklucker wrote:
Plots one post was so null it hurts I agree What do you think about bunnies saying she didn't know what reasons I was pushing you for but then going on to say that she would lunch both of us because she thought it could be a bus before I clarified the reason This is a great question! + Show Spoiler +And you fell right into my reaction trap. Breshke, what do YOU think of this? + Show Spoiler + When asked about stuff that I also pointed out the reaction is total deflection and trying to laugh it of. Me no like.
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On May 22 2015 22:45 Tictock wrote:
Ok BF, I'm more sold that you are just new now.
I have the opposite view actually. Before you started pressuring him, I was sure he was a newbie. Now that you made him post more I'm not so sure ... I will quote everytime he said he was newb or something like that in his filter. Everything in the spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 19:17 boxerfred wrote:
I have no idea who I should vote for :/ On May 22 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:
Barakos going the coach way :D I was just starting to ask my coach about that.
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On May 22 2015 22:23 boxerfred wrote:
"WIFOM"?
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Reading about "trying to pocket",
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On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote:
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Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context.
That's 5 times for 13 posts.
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On May 22 2015 23:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
This makes me think there is a HIGH connection between Dis and BF, which makes me want to lynch them both.
And makes me think I might be wrong on Dis....
I agree with you entirely about BF. But I have a very hard time following you on the links between Dis and BF. The events are:
1 - BF votes BM
2 - Dis makes a case on you
3 - BF unvotes without even reading the case
Now I agree that put a bad light on BF, but I don't see why that links it to Dis. Dis could be scum, or not. That is WIFOM to speculate if that is the case here. IMO.
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On May 22 2015 23:13 boxerfred wrote:
I even said pre-game that I am somewhat used to mafia games, just not the TL forum version, so you're not finding any secrets there.
There are other things:
First,
you make a few posts that don't help. They are just noise. Example:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 19:10 boxerfred wrote:
I meant timezone, not schedule. Day one votes suck there's like no indication about anything. Since I still have to cast my vote though I'll re-read the posts and see if I can find something indicating something. Thus far, I can't tell the difference from someone being trolling and someone casting a vote in a serious manner. On May 22 2015 19:38 boxerfred wrote:
Hmm.. lots of indicators, nothing too special. Then again we have Rels, discussing quite actively about who to set up for a lynch - to me, that indicates that he's townie since he's being rational and trying to argue in a very rational way. That could mean that Rels and Sulfurus are the two masons, further strengthening that BM might be scum.
Assumptions, assumptions.. On May 22 2015 19:44 boxerfred wrote:
However, there are still the silent people in here. That's like the worst strategy ever in terms of "making gameplay exciting". The swarmhost/turtle of Mafia :D
Second, this:
On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:22 disformation wrote:Okay. bunnies time. On May 22 2015 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
EBWOP:
Scum
#Vote: Sicklucker Starts with randomly voting sicklucker. kay. Pretty NAI imo. On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:
Oh yeah and SL is mafia
##Vote Sicklucker Glad we can agree on something. Though I am curious, why do you think he is mafia? I saw something about dumbtelling, but I am unsure exactly what the dumbtell was on. Agrees with Breshke. Not seeing why. Apparently even Bunnies was not sure why they are agreeing. Not being sure about the dumbtell is a sign of not reading properly. Which I don't like either. On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 08:38 sicklucker wrote:
Breske realizes scum qt was given out 24 hours ago. Would he be this blatantly obv as scum? bunnies are you the veg because you might need to shoot him again I will neither confirm nor deny I am a role. I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, I could possibly be down for a breshke lynch if we don't lynch you today. I see a bus in the midst. From the same post as last quote. First agrees with Breshke and then is like "nah, let us lynch you". Because "I see a bus"? On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Everyone who is considered a newbie, answer this: What is the most important thing you think has happened in the game so far? I like this question. But it is a really general question. Not sure if it would be hard for mafia to ask stuff like this. On May 22 2015 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Give me substance BM! I know you can do it! I agree, but again this is a question Mafia could also have asked easily. On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sulfurus top town newbie read.
Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days Then this. Can't see how Sulfurus can be seen as more townie than ticktoc of that one post... that had a strange thing in it (the accusation thing I explained earlier)? Pocket attempt? Was the question a setup for Sulfurus they agreed on in their QT? Me no like. On May 22 2015 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 12:30 sicklucker wrote:
Plots one post was so null it hurts I agree What do you think about bunnies saying she didn't know what reasons I was pushing you for but then going on to say that she would lunch both of us because she thought it could be a bus before I clarified the reason This is a great question! + Show Spoiler +And you fell right into my reaction trap. Breshke, what do YOU think of this? + Show Spoiler + When asked about stuff that I also pointed out the reaction is total deflection and trying to laugh it of. Me no like. In my book bunnies is not looking good at all. Totally leaning scum. I need to look at a few other ppl, but I guess I am willing to vote on bunnies as of now. I just read this but, as said above, gotta continue working. I'll ##unvote and read about this later. Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context.
You have time to defend yourself, but you don't have time to comment on the post you said you were going to comment.
And finally, 27nb's post about you.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 23:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:52 disformation wrote:Ah cool, you are here bunnies.  On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, so let's look at this post.
First off, I actually like you. I disagree with the pushon you. Noted. Could be an attempt to please me, so I stop pushing you. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Secondly, the vote on SL was due to him first coming into the thread with "Confirmed town".
Troll post=troll vote. Yup. That is why I called it NAI. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. Looking forward to see that. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
When saying Breshke and SL were partners, in part I was joking. I was trying to get some type of reaction from SL, which if I remember correctly I don't think I ever got. It was Breshke that actually started questioning this, which I really REALLY like of Breshke. As SL said, I shot him as vig in a previous game, he was mafia. I usually have a good read on Breshke, and this questioning makes me think that Breshke is town.
So even if I didn't get information out of SL from this (SL prob still my top lynch, followed by newbie Boxer for that awful first couple of posts), I did get information on Breshke's alignment. I really like this answer. Haven't looked much at boxer yet, could you highlight some things that sprung out for you? I skimmed it and I didn't see anything that would strongly lead me in either direction. Though he could be mafia trying to play the newb card? So for me, it was weird how he entered into the thread. I don't like to use entrances as alignment indicative but I just don't understand why he would enter with this post here: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:30 boxerfred wrote:On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool While I understand that, I always thought yolo'ing votes on the first day is a stupid thing to do :/ It's as if he is trying to enter the thread in a funny way, but falled short. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:32 boxerfred wrote:On May 22 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:
Oh yeah and SL is mafia
##Vote Sicklucker That'd be sick luck if you actually got a scum guy pinned down with that vote notice the pun d'oh Again, random funny-ish second post. IT was mostly just these two posts that stood out to me as I was reading. As you further progress in his filter, he actually starts making reads, questioning, but Im not sure what to make of it. He pushes a bit on BM, but then unvotes after a case made by Dis on me. I'm not sure how this one case changes his read from BM is mafia to I am mafia over BM. HE doesn't really explain it. Just unvotes, and then says he'll read the case on me later. This makes me think there is a HIGH connection between Dis and BF, which makes me want to lynch them both. And makes me think I might be wrong on Dis....
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Yeah.
On May 23 2015 00:15 disformation wrote:
@plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia?
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Also, more simple:
Who would you lynch and why ? The why part being the more important.
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OK I'll have to go. As said pregame I won't be here much until Monday morning. Here is my current would lynch list:
scott
plotspot
BM
BF
SL
batsnacks
@scott plotspot and batsnacks: you're mostly here because you're not posting a lot / at all. Please do!
You may say why ? Wonder no more! Here is my thinking:
scott: see my post:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 17:10 Rels wrote:Scott31337Two posts. One useless. The other one, that you can read on spoiler, is even worse IMO: he tries to discuss two things but is not saying anything worthwhile. Seems scum to me. +1 to SL even though it is an obivous joke. + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 11:44 scott31337 wrote:Dinner was good and now time to get to work... I'm unsure what to think of BM's early vote, maybe just to get some discussion started? He unvoted though. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 11:20 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote:
@sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell
also ##Vote: Breshke actually I forgot their was coaches. It looks coached This was probably a pocket attempt. No one ever agrees with me unless they have a motive. Also I think breskes town because if his mafia game is to attack me of all people in a newbie game with really weak reasons I will berate him post game so hes probably town. Sulfurus Sulfurus I got a n0 red check no you what say you? SL loves to fakeclaim as town. +1
To add to it, the other post by scott was also pretty bad, criticizing plotspot for inactivity.
plotspot: came back today but didn't say anything much. Only two posts analyzing something and one of them I didn't understand. This one:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 23:03 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool Are we going to mislynch me again on day 1 BM? On May 22 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:
Oh yeah and SL is mafia
##Vote Sicklucker Glad we can agree on something. Though I am curious, why do you think he is mafia? I saw something about dumbtelling, but I am unsure exactly what the dumbtell was on. On May 22 2015 08:38 sicklucker wrote:
Breske realizes scum qt was given out 24 hours ago. Would he be this blatantly obv as scum? bunnies are you the veg because you might need to shoot him again I will neither confirm nor deny I am a role. I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, I could possibly be down for a breshke lynch if we don't lynch you today. I see a bus in the midst. Also, I'm back. Work sucked ass. Worked a double today, only made 45$ the entire day. Server life man. I expected more posting than this, and am highly disappointed. Everyone who is considered a newbie, answer this: What is the most important thing you think has happened in the game so far? (p10,last post) concerning last question: I think a lot of smoke bombs have been thrown out. Mafia most likely has already poked in to test the waters. Some 5-corner logics about knowing or not knowing whether "scum quick topic" has been opened prior the 24 h of silent prelude.
All of his other posts are him defending himself.
BM: Moved him down 'cause other people seems to think that's his way of posting. Even though, no prob lynching him until he comes back and does something useful.
BF: My two previous posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 23:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:45 Tictock wrote:
Ok BF, I'm more sold that you are just new now.
I have the opposite view actually. Before you started pressuring him, I was sure he was a newbie. Now that you made him post more I'm not so sure ... I will quote everytime he said he was newb or something like that in his filter. Everything in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 19:17 boxerfred wrote:
I have no idea who I should vote for :/ On May 22 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:
Barakos going the coach way :D I was just starting to ask my coach about that.
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On May 22 2015 22:23 boxerfred wrote:
"WIFOM"?
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Reading about "trying to pocket",
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On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote:
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Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context. That's 5 times for 13 posts. On May 23 2015 00:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 23:13 boxerfred wrote:
I even said pre-game that I am somewhat used to mafia games, just not the TL forum version, so you're not finding any secrets there. There are other things: First, you make a few posts that don't help. They are just noise. Example: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 19:10 boxerfred wrote:
I meant timezone, not schedule. Day one votes suck there's like no indication about anything. Since I still have to cast my vote though I'll re-read the posts and see if I can find something indicating something. Thus far, I can't tell the difference from someone being trolling and someone casting a vote in a serious manner. On May 22 2015 19:38 boxerfred wrote:
Hmm.. lots of indicators, nothing too special. Then again we have Rels, discussing quite actively about who to set up for a lynch - to me, that indicates that he's townie since he's being rational and trying to argue in a very rational way. That could mean that Rels and Sulfurus are the two masons, further strengthening that BM might be scum.
Assumptions, assumptions.. On May 22 2015 19:44 boxerfred wrote:
However, there are still the silent people in here. That's like the worst strategy ever in terms of "making gameplay exciting". The swarmhost/turtle of Mafia :D Second, this: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote:On May 22 2015 22:22 disformation wrote:Okay. bunnies time. On May 22 2015 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
EBWOP:
Scum
#Vote: Sicklucker Starts with randomly voting sicklucker. kay. Pretty NAI imo. On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:
Oh yeah and SL is mafia
##Vote Sicklucker Glad we can agree on something. Though I am curious, why do you think he is mafia? I saw something about dumbtelling, but I am unsure exactly what the dumbtell was on. Agrees with Breshke. Not seeing why. Apparently even Bunnies was not sure why they are agreeing. Not being sure about the dumbtell is a sign of not reading properly. Which I don't like either. On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 08:38 sicklucker wrote:
Breske realizes scum qt was given out 24 hours ago. Would he be this blatantly obv as scum? bunnies are you the veg because you might need to shoot him again I will neither confirm nor deny I am a role. I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, I could possibly be down for a breshke lynch if we don't lynch you today. I see a bus in the midst. From the same post as last quote. First agrees with Breshke and then is like "nah, let us lynch you". Because "I see a bus"? On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Everyone who is considered a newbie, answer this: What is the most important thing you think has happened in the game so far? I like this question. But it is a really general question. Not sure if it would be hard for mafia to ask stuff like this. On May 22 2015 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Give me substance BM! I know you can do it! I agree, but again this is a question Mafia could also have asked easily. On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sulfurus top town newbie read.
Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days Then this. Can't see how Sulfurus can be seen as more townie than ticktoc of that one post... that had a strange thing in it (the accusation thing I explained earlier)? Pocket attempt? Was the question a setup for Sulfurus they agreed on in their QT? Me no like. On May 22 2015 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 12:30 sicklucker wrote:
Plots one post was so null it hurts I agree What do you think about bunnies saying she didn't know what reasons I was pushing you for but then going on to say that she would lunch both of us because she thought it could be a bus before I clarified the reason This is a great question! + Show Spoiler +And you fell right into my reaction trap. Breshke, what do YOU think of this? + Show Spoiler + When asked about stuff that I also pointed out the reaction is total deflection and trying to laugh it of. Me no like. In my book bunnies is not looking good at all. Totally leaning scum. I need to look at a few other ppl, but I guess I am willing to vote on bunnies as of now. I just read this but, as said above, gotta continue working. I'll ##unvote and read about this later. Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context. You have time to defend yourself, but you don't have time to comment on the post you said you were going to comment. And finally, 27nb's post about you. + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 23:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:52 disformation wrote:Ah cool, you are here bunnies. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, so let's look at this post.
First off, I actually like you. I disagree with the pushon you. Noted. Could be an attempt to please me, so I stop pushing you. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Secondly, the vote on SL was due to him first coming into the thread with "Confirmed town".
Troll post=troll vote. Yup. That is why I called it NAI. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. Looking forward to see that. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
When saying Breshke and SL were partners, in part I was joking. I was trying to get some type of reaction from SL, which if I remember correctly I don't think I ever got. It was Breshke that actually started questioning this, which I really REALLY like of Breshke. As SL said, I shot him as vig in a previous game, he was mafia. I usually have a good read on Breshke, and this questioning makes me think that Breshke is town.
So even if I didn't get information out of SL from this (SL prob still my top lynch, followed by newbie Boxer for that awful first couple of posts), I did get information on Breshke's alignment. I really like this answer. Haven't looked much at boxer yet, could you highlight some things that sprung out for you? I skimmed it and I didn't see anything that would strongly lead me in either direction. Though he could be mafia trying to play the newb card? So for me, it was weird how he entered into the thread. I don't like to use entrances as alignment indicative but I just don't understand why he would enter with this post here: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:30 boxerfred wrote:On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool While I understand that, I always thought yolo'ing votes on the first day is a stupid thing to do :/ It's as if he is trying to enter the thread in a funny way, but falled short. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:32 boxerfred wrote:On May 22 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:
Oh yeah and SL is mafia
##Vote Sicklucker That'd be sick luck if you actually got a scum guy pinned down with that vote notice the pun d'oh Again, random funny-ish second post. IT was mostly just these two posts that stood out to me as I was reading. As you further progress in his filter, he actually starts making reads, questioning, but Im not sure what to make of it. He pushes a bit on BM, but then unvotes after a case made by Dis on me. I'm not sure how this one case changes his read from BM is mafia to I am mafia over BM. HE doesn't really explain it. Just unvotes, and then says he'll read the case on me later. This makes me think there is a HIGH connection between Dis and BF, which makes me want to lynch them both. And makes me think I might be wrong on Dis....
SL: Lots of things have been said. I cannot see him getting lynched today though. Because no one can read him.
batsnacks: didn't change my mind on this one:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 17:10 Rels wrote:batsnacksReally disliked his opening post as it was obviously prepared during the break before the game. For me it looks like he was thinking "hey I don't know what to say ? lets post some bullshit haha" Another thing, I disliked the post in spoiler. He asks a (good IMO) question to tictock, so goes on to pressure SL. + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
@tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.
Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.
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On May 23 2015 00:43 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 00:15 disformation wrote:Okay finished with work. Will be on my way home soon. Should back in around 1h. First glance at the interaction between ticktoc and BM I got the feeling that BM was just trolling around trying to provoke a reaction from ticktoc, which he got. Otherwise a bit spamy, but I can see towny posts here and there. Will read more carefully when I am back at home. But I still want to see some more action from him today. @plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia? @Sulfurus: Did your reads on Breshke change? Who would be your #2 lynch after Breshke, if he is still your top scum? "@plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia?" To be honest I'm not quite sure. About Breshke: Initially I thought Breshke was scummy for his quick jumping on SL. But then I figured it was just his way of applying pressure on him to see his (SL's) true color. Breshke appears very townish. Breshke is like the NB VII game I played with him, very collected and professional. Though I have to point out, it didn't help us in the end since town still lost, when he couldn't figured out the real cuprits. About BM: he is always borderline provocative and scummy. But I think he is intelligent and a keen observer. These are the two that have given me some scum vibe so far. Last game (NV VIII) I was replaced due to illness. This was a game where I observed that scums are usually REACTIONARY and CAREFUL of some sorts. After having a first impression of the thread by having read it all, I will filter-read everyone now in order to find patterns of reactionary and careful behaviour. Yeah expect something in less than to 6 hours, I'm actually still at work and totally underestmiated to time it took for all this again. I'm lucky that my work load is rather flexible, but still, it's already out of plan here.
OK TY for the explanation of this weird post. Looking forward for your reads!
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Before I leave I repeat three questions that weren't answered so they are not lost:
On May 22 2015 17:07 Barakos wrote:@batsnacks: You said you were able to read stuff into the way people interpret your iching-writing. What do you make of disformations interpretation? And what do you get out of Tictocks response to your writing?
On May 22 2015 18:03 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:58 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 17:48 Rels wrote:
What is -ev btw ? below expected value. It just means its not a good lynch based on numbers. If theirs a chance he can be modkilled even if small its a waste of a lynch Alright thanks (= Now since you're there: What do you think of disformation ? What do you think of Breshk's pressure ?
On May 22 2015 18:32 Rels wrote:Second, about BM, see the quotes below (in spoiler so this post is not too long): + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 09:04 batsnacks wrote:
(About BM)
You're probably going to hit a wall here because he is almost certainly as serious as he claims. He has fired his shot the ball is in our court now. On May 22 2015 09:20 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:46 Tictock wrote:
SL what do you think of BM's vote on bunnies then?
He is serious you know... no hes a troll So @SL @Batsnacks and @Anyone that has every played with BM: Is there something I don't know ? Cause for me he is the most obvious scum of the thread, but is it normal for him even for town ?
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On May 23 2015 01:54 batsnacks wrote:
Wow lots of Europeans in this game. I skimmed the last 5ish pages.
I have items of interest:
Rels you should narrow down your "would lynch" list to at most 2 people, preferably one. Having too many "would lynches" can lead to you being able to pick any optimal target you want as mafia. That said its I don't think you're mafia and it's great that you have found so many different things to be suspicious of. But yeah, moving forward its best to narrow that list down by a lot.
TY for the advice. (=
So apparently in a few hours quite a things happened.
First, scott and spot did a similar things. They posted a few posts in the thread, then people asked them questions, and they didn't answer.
Questions to scott were:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2015 01:16 disformation wrote:
@scott;
So BM is your top scum read? I like your explanation for that. Do you have a solid #2 atm and why?
Noticed any noteworthy things?
What do you think of the interactions with bunnies and BF? On May 23 2015 01:25 Tictock wrote:
@ Scott
What is your opinion of SL?
You also made a comment on plots opening post, he's been more active today. What do you think about it?
Question for spot was:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:@ Plots We need more of this from you. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 00:43 plotspot wrote:On May 23 2015 00:15 disformation wrote:Okay finished with work. Will be on my way home soon. Should back in around 1h. First glance at the interaction between ticktoc and BM I got the feeling that BM was just trolling around trying to provoke a reaction from ticktoc, which he got. Otherwise a bit spamy, but I can see towny posts here and there. Will read more carefully when I am back at home. But I still want to see some more action from him today. @plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia? @Sulfurus: Did your reads on Breshke change? Who would be your #2 lynch after Breshke, if he is still your top scum? "@plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia?" To be honest I'm not quite sure. About Breshke: Initially I thought Breshke was scummy for his quick jumping on SL. But then I figured it was just his way of applying pressure on him to see his (SL's) true color. Breshke appears very townish. Breshke is like the NB VII game I played with him, very collected and professional. Though I have to point out, it didn't help us in the end since town still lost, when he couldn't figured out the real cuprits. About BM: he is always borderline provocative and scummy. But I think he is intelligent and a keen observer. These are the two that have given me some scum vibe so far. Last game (NV VIII) I was replaced due to illness. This was a game where I observed that scums are usually REACTIONARY and CAREFUL of some sorts. After having a first impression of the thread by having read it all, I will filter-read everyone now in order to find patterns of reactionary and careful behaviour. Yeah expect something in less than to 6 hours, I'm actually still at work and totally underestmiated to time it took for all this again. I'm lucky that my work load is rather flexible, but still, it's already out of plan here. As for questions. I'd really like to know who is scum in your mind. In the post I just quoted you both tell us that Bre and BM look scummy but give them town cred at the same time. So who do you think we should lynch today?
One difference: spot promised a big post that was due around midnight, so I'm looking forward to it. (=
Moving on, about SL.
Nothing to say. Came here, posted a few things, didn't answer any questions, left. Dis even posted some questions for him, that he still didn't answer, in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2015 07:31 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 07:19 Sulfurus wrote:Breshke is definitely more town than I thought, he defended plotspot (I don't care how he did it just that he did at all) and I've realized that his tunnel on SL is pro-town since he got he put pressure on someone who is a hard read. On May 22 2015 10:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Disinformation the game so far has been people reacting to a post batsnacks has , premade,
I completely misunderstood what this post meant I thought it was BM saying the Dis hadn't done anything this game. That combined with what SL said about him being mislynch bait means that I'll rescind my vote off of him. ##Unvote Okay, thanks for answering that question. Though why does SL saying that BM is lynch bait hold that much importance for you? Where did you get the miss from? Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote:
bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind Calling a BM a misslynch sounds a bit like Too Much Information to me. What do you think about bunnies and boxerfred? Why do you think so? Who would you vote for now? Why?
Finally, about batsnacks.
I liked most of what he said.
I didn't like his super town feeling on BF and I hated this post:
On May 23 2015 02:16 batsnacks wrote:
@disinfo No. I don't do the quote/comment on quote thing. What I said about boxerrfred is going to be a take it, leave it, or tell me why it's wrong sort of things.
So I still don't know about him.
@batsnacks : can you read this things on BF and defend him ?
On May 22 2015 23:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:45 Tictock wrote:
Ok BF, I'm more sold that you are just new now.
I have the opposite view actually. Before you started pressuring him, I was sure he was a newbie. Now that you made him post more I'm not so sure ... I will quote everytime he said he was newb or something like that in his filter. Everything in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 19:17 boxerfred wrote:
I have no idea who I should vote for :/ On May 22 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:
Barakos going the coach way :D I was just starting to ask my coach about that.
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On May 22 2015 22:23 boxerfred wrote:
"WIFOM"?
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Reading about "trying to pocket",
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On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote:
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Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context. That's 5 times for 13 posts.
On May 23 2015 00:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 23:13 boxerfred wrote:
I even said pre-game that I am somewhat used to mafia games, just not the TL forum version, so you're not finding any secrets there. There are other things: First, you make a few posts that don't help. They are just noise. Example: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 19:10 boxerfred wrote:
I meant timezone, not schedule. Day one votes suck there's like no indication about anything. Since I still have to cast my vote though I'll re-read the posts and see if I can find something indicating something. Thus far, I can't tell the difference from someone being trolling and someone casting a vote in a serious manner. On May 22 2015 19:38 boxerfred wrote:
Hmm.. lots of indicators, nothing too special. Then again we have Rels, discussing quite actively about who to set up for a lynch - to me, that indicates that he's townie since he's being rational and trying to argue in a very rational way. That could mean that Rels and Sulfurus are the two masons, further strengthening that BM might be scum.
Assumptions, assumptions.. On May 22 2015 19:44 boxerfred wrote:
However, there are still the silent people in here. That's like the worst strategy ever in terms of "making gameplay exciting". The swarmhost/turtle of Mafia :D Second, this: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote:On May 22 2015 22:22 disformation wrote:Okay. bunnies time. On May 22 2015 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
EBWOP:
Scum
#Vote: Sicklucker Starts with randomly voting sicklucker. kay. Pretty NAI imo. On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:
Oh yeah and SL is mafia
##Vote Sicklucker Glad we can agree on something. Though I am curious, why do you think he is mafia? I saw something about dumbtelling, but I am unsure exactly what the dumbtell was on. Agrees with Breshke. Not seeing why. Apparently even Bunnies was not sure why they are agreeing. Not being sure about the dumbtell is a sign of not reading properly. Which I don't like either. On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 08:38 sicklucker wrote:
Breske realizes scum qt was given out 24 hours ago. Would he be this blatantly obv as scum? bunnies are you the veg because you might need to shoot him again I will neither confirm nor deny I am a role. I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, I could possibly be down for a breshke lynch if we don't lynch you today. I see a bus in the midst. From the same post as last quote. First agrees with Breshke and then is like "nah, let us lynch you". Because "I see a bus"? On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Everyone who is considered a newbie, answer this: What is the most important thing you think has happened in the game so far? I like this question. But it is a really general question. Not sure if it would be hard for mafia to ask stuff like this. On May 22 2015 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Give me substance BM! I know you can do it! I agree, but again this is a question Mafia could also have asked easily. On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sulfurus top town newbie read.
Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days Then this. Can't see how Sulfurus can be seen as more townie than ticktoc of that one post... that had a strange thing in it (the accusation thing I explained earlier)? Pocket attempt? Was the question a setup for Sulfurus they agreed on in their QT? Me no like. On May 22 2015 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 12:30 sicklucker wrote:
Plots one post was so null it hurts I agree What do you think about bunnies saying she didn't know what reasons I was pushing you for but then going on to say that she would lunch both of us because she thought it could be a bus before I clarified the reason This is a great question! + Show Spoiler +And you fell right into my reaction trap. Breshke, what do YOU think of this? + Show Spoiler + When asked about stuff that I also pointed out the reaction is total deflection and trying to laugh it of. Me no like. In my book bunnies is not looking good at all. Totally leaning scum. I need to look at a few other ppl, but I guess I am willing to vote on bunnies as of now. I just read this but, as said above, gotta continue working. I'll ##unvote and read about this later. Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context. You have time to defend yourself, but you don't have time to comment on the post you said you were going to comment. And finally, 27nb's post about you. + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 23:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:52 disformation wrote:Ah cool, you are here bunnies. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, so let's look at this post.
First off, I actually like you. I disagree with the pushon you. Noted. Could be an attempt to please me, so I stop pushing you. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Secondly, the vote on SL was due to him first coming into the thread with "Confirmed town".
Troll post=troll vote. Yup. That is why I called it NAI. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. Looking forward to see that. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
When saying Breshke and SL were partners, in part I was joking. I was trying to get some type of reaction from SL, which if I remember correctly I don't think I ever got. It was Breshke that actually started questioning this, which I really REALLY like of Breshke. As SL said, I shot him as vig in a previous game, he was mafia. I usually have a good read on Breshke, and this questioning makes me think that Breshke is town.
So even if I didn't get information out of SL from this (SL prob still my top lynch, followed by newbie Boxer for that awful first couple of posts), I did get information on Breshke's alignment. I really like this answer. Haven't looked much at boxer yet, could you highlight some things that sprung out for you? I skimmed it and I didn't see anything that would strongly lead me in either direction. Though he could be mafia trying to play the newb card? So for me, it was weird how he entered into the thread. I don't like to use entrances as alignment indicative but I just don't understand why he would enter with this post here: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:30 boxerfred wrote:On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool While I understand that, I always thought yolo'ing votes on the first day is a stupid thing to do :/ It's as if he is trying to enter the thread in a funny way, but falled short. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:32 boxerfred wrote:On May 22 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:
Oh yeah and SL is mafia
##Vote Sicklucker That'd be sick luck if you actually got a scum guy pinned down with that vote notice the pun d'oh Again, random funny-ish second post. IT was mostly just these two posts that stood out to me as I was reading. As you further progress in his filter, he actually starts making reads, questioning, but Im not sure what to make of it. He pushes a bit on BM, but then unvotes after a case made by Dis on me. I'm not sure how this one case changes his read from BM is mafia to I am mafia over BM. HE doesn't really explain it. Just unvotes, and then says he'll read the case on me later. This makes me think there is a HIGH connection between Dis and BF, which makes me want to lynch them both. And makes me think I might be wrong on Dis....
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