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plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 03 2015 15:14 GMT
#2630
On June 03 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 22:59 boxerfred wrote:
So here's the masterplan:

I was voting bunnies so fucking often. D2, D3, and it was really risky. Day 2, my vote would've been the decider to get her lynched. Day 3 - I couldn't know that bats would jump on Sulf and Dis would coinflip on Sulf, too. So we figured out that we needed the last scum member to have huge town cred. I wanted to vote on Sicklucker at the end of D4, he'd be lynched, flip town, boom boxerfred goes down, boom bunnies is so fucking confirmed that she can easily get the lynch on Dis, especially with plots playing strange and tictocks going all tinfoil-hatty. Of course there'd always be the possibility of me getting out of the lynch, I think at this point pushing Barakos wouldn't have been too hard, given that bunnies would not have been dead.

However, I misunderstood the lynching rule. I thought that whoever gets voted on most recently, dies. That made the whole plan blow up.

That error, in conjunction with SL's behaviour, really made me feel dumb. So I decided to grab a straw: plots' "yolo block". When I found out that this would not work, it was easy for me to claim that I was blocked, CC'ing SL. By now I think it would've been even better to have claimed that I was not blocked: I would only say that SL lied, even without CC'ing him, thus making Dis still a probable scum member.

If the lynch on SL would've gotten through, the game was still winnable. Even in the situation of CC'ing SL, I had a thing prepared: when he'd be lynched and flip town, I'd just say that he lied about having been blocked for the sake of confirming me scum. I think with tictocks alive as the decider between disinfo and me, this might have actually worked out.

However I'm not wasting another 48hrs + 24hrs + 24/48hrs on someone who's continuesly dragging the game in the mud. I'm here for the funsies, not for the frustrations. Therefore I conceded even before EoD. I think the chances of actually winning this game for scum were somewhere around 20-40%, depending on Dis' behaviour D4.

GG, thanks for the fun and the effort to all


Wow nice plans, would have looved to see that in action. (= Especially the first one with you getting bussed by bunnies.

For the second one though, I think you are overestimating your chances, no way you have even 1 chance out of 5 that TT doesn't vote you after you CC and lynch SL. plot even made a super nice graph sealing your doom IMO.

Anyway you played really good (= looking forward for next game!


As soon as he CCed SL, his chances of winning the game is 0% imo. His chances to make the vote between him and Dis, and people going for Dis is about 1%, especially since Tictock, Bara, SL and Dis read him scum. After Dis dies, his chance of getting SL lynched is about 1% too.

Originally I thought of sticking to the plan too, but then I saw Tictcok was still not out of his tunnel, despite his claim. He has done said to let it off 3 times, but his huge post where he imagined in detail as to what a scum!plots was doing, just indicates to me that he will come back and scumread me again. I'm not mad about him for doing this; but I have to take this into consideration. If I announced I RB SL to confirm him town, BF was very likely to kill SL, to use his chances with Tictock. He indicated that in his Scum QT. Tictock would be more like WTF? This guy blocked 3 times the NK? Something is wrong here, again. We could have deflected it and point it out to him again why if Barakos is town than I'm Town RB, but since that night he also had a new reason: I was still Mafia RB, who blocked the 3 NK, but made an exception for Barakos because we were sure Breshke was not a Vet and hence doesn't need to be RBed. It's totally low risk to just kill someone without blocking him. I basically had to do it like this, this plan only worked if I had Tictock's support 100%, because it included me still living in some scenarios. If he was still tunneled and believed I was some masterplan mafia, it would have been too dangerous, or at least inconvenient to me again. Plus Barakos and Tictock showed some uncertainty about SL that night. So I thought I'd rather clear him and let him deal with whoever is CCing him.

A pity really, I'd love to see a flavour where nothing happened at night.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 03 2015 15:38 GMT
#2631
I didn't read much into BF's last minute vote on SL. I thought he knew that it wasn't going to decisive and just voted him for fun because he thought SL was scummy and just wanted to express his sentiments with the vote.

I might be biased here. But I do not understand this whole concept of wasting votes and so on, if you see some person getting lynched and you're fine with it, then you could vote for the moon and it doesn't matter. Hence I never unvoted Dis D1, just to go on the Scott wagon.

The bunnies vs SL wagon was much more interesting as both were 2v2, and since I wanted bunnies dead (also to clarify her status, it's too dangerous to leave some sort of 80% townie around, and I felt she clinged a bit too hard on the greencheck) I had to vote her first, I thought BF realized bunnies is 100% dead and just switches to SL for fun. I know if I was BF, I would have done it.^^
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 03 2015 15:46 GMT
#2632
On that thought, I think the official declaration that come into the thread, based on the questions of individual players, has great potential to give away things. Maybe you can just pm that person, if someone is confused they should pm the host.

Boxerfred thinking his vote might have saved bunnies is in retrospect sort of indicative from how this clearance was posted immediately. While it didn't 100% trigger my suspicion, because for me another person might have wondered about it, it sure led to many people use this as evidence for scumreading BF.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 09 2015 17:22 GMT
#2663
This Rumia picture is perfect. If people knew the lore, they’d understand that this is how Rumia is portrayed. Rumia is constantly encased in this ball of darkness, is therefore totally tunnelled and paranoid. Funnily, it reflects my play to a point. The only useful block I had was the last one and even then it didn’t exactly prepare for an ending with a tea-party. I expect something more fitting for the to-come epilogue. In any case, as someone who recognized almost all of the Touhou references, this is such a great effort by cakepie (thank you I had great fun with my role) who flavoured virtually everything. I can understand how s/he considers not doing this in the future. Btw, I think you could have used lesser fairies and youkais for VTs.
About the setup, at the time I was discussing with Tictock and Barakos about that C9++ site , I already spotted that in a C9++ game the setup could have rolled as BBBCCMM too. In such a setup town would have 2 RBs, 1 Cop and the 2 Masons, while mafia still only have their RB, Goon and GF. This would even be more town favoured. I agree with your idea to expose new players to a more complex and open setup so that they can come into contact with and learn from it early on. It was very exciting. But perhaps a note saying that this semi-open setup can spawn strange role distributions would not be bad, or decide fairness on your own discretion, if you encountered the BBBCCMM for example.
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