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On June 01 2015 04:00 Tictock wrote:Why I read everyone else town. Spoilerd kus I think we should be focused on the plots & Bara scum team. + Show Spoiler +27nb is godawful town. She keeps saying she will read stuff but doesn't. Clearly didn't think ahead and plan to put real time into this game. I find her to be almost exactly the same as BM. Bats said it best though... On May 30 2015 06:58 batsnacks wrote:
shes here and doesn't give a shit. Mafia would give a shit. SL is a stubborn mule, and for how many games he likes to claim he's played.. he's still a shit mafia player. He wont look past his own ego, and is the 3rd vet this game to clearly not be reading. Dis is trying, hes a newbie who wants to do some good this game. His filter shows that he is willing to push people he thinks are scum till it is proven otherwise. BF very similar to Dis. Has his own ideas he wants to explore and tries to push them. Tbh I haven't filter dived him in awhile but he seems more willing to keep an open mind than most. Anyone else notice plots and Bara haven't shown much interest in casing scum today? They can't afford to start wagons now kus they don't know who they need on their side tomorrow. That's why they started to sheep town on the votes D3 they just want to blend as much as they can now.
sicklucker could still be a mastmind mafia on his A game. batsnacks hinted a few times that sicklucker would be capable of doing that.
Just did a case on boxerfred, what do you think of it?
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But to be fair I still want plotspot to answer:
On May 31 2015 07:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote:
and SL kinda make sense, he pointed out I should look at the interactions at 10 minutes before the EoD3. in the last 10 min Bats switches his vote on bunnies saying that if she was Mafia she would care, and since Sulfurus was there and cared, he thought Sulfurus was mafia. Then bunnies show up and he is totally caught by surprise, maybe because they said in their Scum QT that she should just afk and let him handle the rest? That was my thoughts, when I started to see what SL meant. Okay, now that bats has flipped as cop, what is your read on me? You know im not mafia with bats who has a greencheck on me. Do you think that interaction was based on an actuall read on me as town, or do you still view me as possible mafia? I need to know your thoughts on this.
On May 31 2015 18:23 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 18:22 plotspot wrote:On May 31 2015 18:17 Tictock wrote:
Also Plots
Why did you block Bara N2?
Why did you think he was Mafia? I told you before, I read the game he posted where he was mafia, and I thought my read about him before was wrong. He posted a game where he played Mafia and you thought there were similarities? Which ones? Do go on...
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Uh I might actually need to reread Barakos filter.
Dude has literally no reads/good reasons for his votes anywhere.
Only did a case on me D1 and a case on sicklucker D2. Other things are just going back and forth on bunnies and sheeping batsnacks.
He was active quite a bit in that ticktoc vs plotspot battle, which makes him look really good.
I also skimmed the old game he linked and he had a very strong play in this. (and was mafia)
@Barakos:
why am I your #1 scum read? Your D1 case on me was based on like page 1 of my filter. Otherwise you only briefly mention me now and then again. Your filter is like devoid of me.
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EBWOP:
Devoid of any real reads or cases that is?
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Okay, I hope you can contribute a bit more before EoD, though.
I will wait to see what you, bunnies and boxerfred will bring to the table this night/tomorrow. Will be home from work ~7h before EoD. Might lurk a bit at work though.
If anyone has questions for me, feel free to ask. 
Will be around for another hour now.
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I get that you were kinda busy, but did you have any success with:
On May 31 2015 07:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I think tonight we need to focus on reading between SL/ dis/ and BF. All three i will filter later on.
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His delay in claiming that he was roleblocked could also mean he was talking about it in mafia qt...
And I noticed the lack of reads/read progression, too:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=109#2162
So yeah, he might just be mafia (with the last one being sicklucker or boxerfred, if plotspot is the town rb indeed).
Still he has a green check...
so I am not sure if I would want to lynch him. On the other hand my #3 lynch also has a green check...
To clarify:
#1 will be between barakos and boxerfred depending on their answers.
#3 is currently still 27ninjabunnies. I get a bunch more of frustrated/annoyed town feeling of her D4, but she still hasn't contributed much... though people are not answering her questions, so I don't really want to lynch her asap.
#4 is sicklucker. who feels a bit lazy and lurky to me. but his D3 and D4 filter looks really town to me...
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The super low levels of activity this D4 are also really alarming.
Town seems to be either really frustrated or really lazy. Maybe both.
Which makes this even easier for mafia.
Me no like.
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On June 01 2015 20:49 Barakos wrote:
So - in case bunnies is red, bf is most likely green.
If she flips green, then well... shit. Votes mean nothing, since then both D2 and D3 were lynches between two townies and mafia couldn't care less, who to vote.
Was thinking about that a bit, too. The same would apply to sicklucker. Which would mean 27ninjabunnies and me would be the mafia team. Which is unfortunately impossible as my role pm says otherwise. So it is also very possible that one of these two (sicklucker, boxerfred) was trying to bus bunnies for town cred in case she gets lynched. So that is a bit WIFOM.
On June 01 2015 20:49 Barakos wrote:
Last thing - on sl: I haven't reread sls filter indepth (too long for reading it at work). I think he is the worst lynch today, but in case that bunnies flips green, the scum-team imho is SL + disfo. His posting has decreased significnatly since breshke is dead (bats said, he posts less, once he feels safe) and mostly all of his reasons, why he calls himself confirmed town are weak at best (scotts filter, the votes on scott, etc...) but this is only in case bunnies flips green today.
As explained above sicklucker+27ninjabunnies could also be a thing.
But unflipped associations are not really helpful right now.
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On June 02 2015 00:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So.
By POE- mafia are BF and SL.
I think those would be great lynches.
I also really want to sheep ticktock and vote plots... because fuck plots for making absolutely horrible roleblocks.
I kinda agree.
With sicklucker I have the problem that the only things I have on him is that he seems super lazy/lurky as of now. And basically him dropping from sight on D2 after he was out of danger being lynched... not a real case more of a feeling and stuff.
I made a short case on boxerfred a few pages ago, everybody ignored. If you want to take a look:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=108#2148
and let me know what you think.
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I also read you a lot more town as of now, so my prime suspects are boxerfred, sicklucker and barakos.
Though I still have a problem with voting for the green check. -.-
Actually... let me go ahead and:
##vote boxerfred
Unless he is able to give good answers to the questions I raised in my case on him.
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okay ticktoc, let me try once more.
I respect you for sticking to your reads that much. As most of you know, I have a bit of trouble with that.
And yes, if you are right town wins, right of the bat.
BUT!
It is a high risk, high reward play. Because your two suspects happen to be a uncc'ed blue and a green check with a rb in a night where someone died.
Are they suspicious? Yes. Could they be the mafia? Yes.
Has town a huge problem if you are wrong? Yes.
And there is my problem with that play.
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If plotspot doesn't die this night and/or manages to mess up the rb I am insta voting him D5.
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On June 02 2015 01:05 Tictock wrote:
Tomorrow might be 2 late
Imagine D5 the people left are Dis, BF, SL, Plots and Bara.
If I'm right, and SL keeps being obstinate with his weak reads on Bara and Plots, then I see Mafia having a free win tomorrow.
So you are basically saying that if we don't lynch Barakos or plotspot today we lose anyway?
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Okay, I am rereading your case now. Very good that you reposted everything in one post.
Need to verify some things with plots filter so it might take a while. I'll also make & eat dinner soon, so I don't know if I can manage that until you have to leave. Will you be around for EoD?
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On June 02 2015 03:22 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2015 03:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So you think that both mafia jumped on the bw for Scott?
I mentioned atleast one mafia could have been on the scott vote, and if im not mistaken didn't you say that its unlikely?
Why does it seem like you are just trying to get a mislynch some where? If I needed a "mislynch" why would I have to work for it? boxerfreds already getting lynched so why would I bring this up now. I was about to vote you before I saw this connection
I am a bit tired, so correct me if I am failing at reading...
but are you calling boxerfred a misslynch by implication here? I though boxerfred and me were supposed to be mafia not misslynches?
Will be really back after dinner, so brb.
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On June 02 2015 03:26 sicklucker wrote:
My thought process is everyone but you and those two are town. And those two voted together at the same time as a mafia would vote. Its very simple but I dont need alot when I already narrowed it down to 3 people .Simply answers simple people
TBH I am currently thinking of a very similiar scenario, but with you and boxerfred...
wait.
Could it be that boxerfred and barakos are our mafia team?
Like barakos never did a read on boxerfred? I just skimmed his filter, but I didn't see a solid read on boxerfred...
Look at this:
On June 01 2015 20:49 Barakos wrote:
some things I'd like to add, since I'm going to be on the road to my parents (my fathers birthday tomorrow) this afternoon and don't know, if I'll make it in time to write all this down before eod/eon and well - maybe I get lynched or killed.(I will not fight that lynch... if there are enough people, who think I'm a good lynch, then fine. have it your way, I'll be delighted to see tictock fall off his high horse, he thinks he is riding).
I reread 27nb, bf and disfo.
27nb seems the least involved and doesn't seem to be following the thread unless she needs to. I highly prefer her as lynch today before the other two.
In case she flips red, I think there is a connection between her and disfo. Disfo made the case on her D1 at a time, where she had enough time to defend. They voted each other from time to time but in the end disfos vote never was on her at EoD, although he twice had the chance to be the vote, that makes the difference. So this is something one has to look at, if she flips red.
An other thing, that happens, if she flips red, is that bf is cleared in my opinion, because both D2 and D3 he was on bunnies, although it was both times a close vote. Especially D3 he could have easily switched with the claimed cop but he didn't.
So - in case bunnies is red, bf is most likely green.
If she flips green, then well... shit. Votes mean nothing, since then both D2 and D3 were lynches between two townies and mafia couldn't care less, who to vote.
An other thing I would like to say:
In case I get lynched, I want you all to make as much fun of TT as you can. His read on plots and me is bad and you should make him feel bad. Still, TT is the 2nd mason and therefore confirmed town... so make fun of him, but don't vote him. Mafia probably won't lynch him either, since his reads are so bad, that it doesn't matter, that he is confirmed town, so try to work with him, because if I get lynched you are in lylo the next day.
If you have lynched me, plots is confirmed town in my eyes, because a setup rb,rb,goon doesn't make sense vs a single town cop. Just my opinion and that's also, why I am so sure of plots being town. I'd like to believe in a 2-rb-mafiateam, cause that would make bunnies and me confirmed, since there wouldn't be a gf in this setup, but I said it before and I'll repeat myself... I don't believe in a setup like this.
Last thing - on sl: I haven't reread sls filter indepth (too long for reading it at work). I think he is the worst lynch today, but in case that bunnies flips green, the scum-team imho is SL + disfo. His posting has decreased significnatly since breshke is dead (bats said, he posts less, once he feels safe) and mostly all of his reasons, why he calls himself confirmed town are weak at best (scotts filter, the votes on scott, etc...) but this is only in case bunnies flips green today.
He says he reread boxerfred but only points out that bf is probably green if bunnies is red...
Am I finally going crazy?
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barakos reads on boxerfred:
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On May 24 2015 19:27 Barakos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 19:14 Breshke wrote:
awkward thought it was to me sorry!
Barakos who are your top 5 town top 5? That's a lot. TicTock is top town for the way he played and what i read out of the poetry-stuff. Then there is you for pushing sl all game long, which i liked, because sl looks like shit and hasn't really started making sense. Plotspot got a spot (pun intended!) in my town for the effort, but will have to follow up on this stuff. I would actually prefer him taking part in the game, than just doing his background-analysis... Next would be Rels... basically because of his presence in the thread and his critical thinking can't give a 5th spot... would probably go to bf for looking too newb to be scum but this is a bad reason for townreading, so i wont do it.
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On May 27 2015 17:38 Barakos wrote:
I have to admit, i haven't looked into boxerfred and sulfurus at all, so I would have to go looking into them, too.
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On May 31 2015 06:57 Barakos wrote:
don't block tictock.. he is like the only confirmed town besides you.
potential mafia at this point are bunnies, disfo, boxer, sl. (bats too, but blocking him seems pointless, cause he is most likely killed tonight, if he is actually cop)
If I were you, I'd pick one of those. Not saying anything more. ^^
Someone said pick someone, who seems towny, cause this might make for a surprise... or pick the most scummy, caus mafia might suspect you to pick someone town.. just please block out of the 4 names.
- note that bf is third place, so the two on top could be the misslynches he wants+ Show Spoiler +
On May 31 2015 07:24 Barakos wrote:
ok... mafia from least likely to most likely only based on claims:
boxerfred, disfo, sl (no claims, no checks)
ninjabunnies, greencheck, but possible godfather)
barakos (greencheck, but possible godfather; roleblocked in a night with a scum-nightkill)
plotspots (roleblocker, with one confirmed mafia-roleblocker and no other town powerroles)
tictock (mason, that has gone insane over losing his mason-partner)
mafia based on feeling:
disfo
27nb
bf
sl
would lynch down that list, depending I don't find anything completely spectacular in the filters
for now
##vote: disformation
And then the post I just posted. He had a few small interaction with boxerfred, but never actually pushed him?
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It also looks they are trying to avoid voting together until today.
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sicklucker, 27ninjabunnies, am I going crazy or are you seeing this too?
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