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1 Your conclusions if any to my response to your question. 2 Your thoughts on the people that interpreted my response. | ||
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On May 04 2015 16:16 Tictock wrote: prplhz is looking pretty scum to me right now too. He made one post with actual content and even that was mostly an excuse as to why he isn't posting. Scott put himself in a position where he looked pretty bad, but lately he's bee making an effort and seems fairly calm given the suspicions around him. That feels town to me, he's not ignoring what ppl say about him but he's not focused on defending himself either. prp and HtS really need to contribute, SL and Stutters are also barely active & have contributed nothing solid thus far. On May 04 2015 19:40 Tictock wrote: I'm having a hard time deciding who I want to vote for as well. Scott is still the most appealing case, even though I have some doubts. I'm tempted to make a case against prp but there just isn't enough to go on. I just don't like his dismissive post regarding how he "spams town" normally and says he isn't around. If he is legit too busy to play a town would likely replace, this seems more like a scum excuse to skate by day 1. Unfortunately that's all I have as prp, as well as several other ppl, just aren't active enough to make real reads on. He's saying that Scott looks town - and by comparison townier than prplhz - then 2h later in his filter he's saying Scott is the most appealling case over prplhz over not as much to go off on. To me there is a jump in reasoning that looks scumlike and checking the thread itself (page 29) there is no further interaction from Scott (or prplhz) for him to then turn around and say "Scott is the most appealling case" (even with doubts) over prplhz, at least in his reasoning, when his reasoning on prplhz was consistently scum. He cites lack of activity on prplhz, and obv the lack of activity certainly doesn't make . It just appears like that one sentence makes him look like he wants to blend in. And it just gets better. I see his response to ritoky's questioning on the same post. On May 05 2015 06:48 Tictock wrote: My issue here was that the vote on scott felt too easy. It wouldn't add pressure as scott had already seemed to accept he is probably going to be the D1 lynch and would only put me into the "lynch scott" bandwagon. So while that was my obvious vote at the time I did not see that vote giving town any new info. I was pretty tempted, and probably should have just gone with it, to vote for prp to try and pressure him into posting. So this (voting) was his justification for being hesistant to vote Scott in his original post? I went back and checked the timing of his thoughts (that ritoky quote) and the votecount at that time. The vote was still 2-1 against Scott, and at that time he was nowhere close to being the absolute wagon. On May 04 2015 14:01 cakepie wrote: VOTE COUNT: scott31337 (2) : -Celestial-, sicklucker sicklucker (1) : -Celestial- (0) : Half the Sky (0) : Not voting (10) : disformation, FecalFeast, Half the Sky, prplhz, ritoky, scott31337, Stutters695, The Shining, Tictock, y0su The cycle will end at Monday, May 04 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), 18 hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched! If you see any vote out of place, holler at the hosting team so that we can correct it. (Tictock's hesitancy is 19:40 per the timestamps, see above) On May 04 2015 21:45 disformation wrote: ##Vote scott31337 Tictock's explanation to ritoky on the vote being too easy was completely inconsistent with why he felt hesitant to vote Scott because the votes certainly didn't reflect that at the time he was having doubts on Scott. It looks pretty scumlike for him. | ||
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More OMGUS from prplhz. Shocking. | ||
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1 Jump in logic on Scott/inconsistency/hesitancy - was previously pointed out by ritoky 2 Voting excuse was inconsistent with his explanation for his hesistancy at the time he couldn't decide to vote Scott. | ||
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On May 06 2015 02:02 ritoky wrote: wasn't your aggression on me and prp pretty omgus too? pot -> kettle? I'm assuming here you are talking about my response/rebuttal of why you think I'm scum. There's nothing OMGUS about refuting any argument, and I even said before your logic may be flawed. That's a simple defence - at no point I've even solidly scumread you to begin with, let alone in retaliation. As for prplhz I was scumreading him well before he voted me, and his subsequent posts/EoD behaviour have only been worse. Even his last point on Stutters is pretty laughable - he's pretty much commenting from the backseat without questioning Superbia - checking his filter he doesn't even have a read on Superbia. The pot/kettle argument is a moot point here. | ||
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Edited. Cheers, sorry about that again. | ||
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On May 06 2015 02:17 ritoky wrote: So why aren't you pressing prp. He voted on you, did nothing to follow it up; and now in the subsequent phase is pushing toward stutters with no regard or comment to the wagon on you, why you aren't his top target, and the like. Yet you're in deep on ticktock and superbia. Or do you have the same read I have on prp? I think you missed my latest posts on prplhz. He's actually in the LIWF category for me. I'm in the deep on other people because there is more than one scum. On May 05 2015 07:53 Half the Sky wrote: When did he post? The last hour when I was in the other game as co-host? Definitely not before that unless I missed that. I literally get back here and Superbia is going all out on the lynch. prplhz looks even worse as he's just posting from the backseat. Also I differentiated between how you and prplhz were scumreading me. You actually interacted with me and we discussed the logic. prplhz also didn't do that. I know I mentioned that somewhere briefly. | ||
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On May 06 2015 02:25 Stutters695 wrote: I'm kinda souring on Rit. Is he always this all over the place? That question to HtS about prp is really wtf. I have yet to play a game with ritoky as town tbh. I've played 2-3 games with him where he was scum, and one where he was third party serial killer. | ||
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On May 06 2015 02:17 ritoky wrote: So why aren't you pressing prp. He voted on you, did nothing to follow it up; and now in the subsequent phase is pushing toward stutters with no regard or comment to the wagon on you, why you aren't his top target, and the like. Yet you're in deep on ticktock and superbia. Or do you have the same read I have on prp? Also on that same vein, Superbia pinged out Stutters, and also has had zero discussion on me post-lynch. He pushed my lynch pretty hard near EoD, even more so than prplhz. Somehow my looking into Superbia (for whatever reason) remains problematic? | ||
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I also mentioned it before and I'll mention it again - the argument that "having the same reads as yourself" makes someone town (or not having them makes a person mafia) is really faulty at best, especially early (and we're still early as it's only N1) in the game as D1 reads on aggregate aren't great. That argument becomes stronger as people flip and the game progresses, but it's a really weak argument. If someone wanted to say "X is scum because he doesn't have the same reads as me" on say, D5, it would carry a lot more weight also because it's harder to fabricate something over 5 cycles, better read progression in theory, etc. | ||
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On May 06 2015 02:37 Stutters695 wrote: Notice any differences this game? As anti-town he's scumread me I think nearly every time. I know in Carol there was one instance (he was scum vigilante) he tried to immediately scum me without asking me questions for my lack of town skepticism. I remember that pretty well. He's at least trying to confirm motive here. As serial killer, the approach may be different because SK is anti-swing. I can't remember how much exact questioning he did in that game of me, but he was quick to judgement in that game. Particularly I recall early on he didn't like my sheeping or something in Titanic and then when I kept refuting his arguments, his reads on me didn't change. I'd say he's trying to confirm himself more this game before pushing a lynch, which appears townie, but since I've not had a town game with him yet, I'm just trying to avoid meta in evaluating him for the time being. | ||
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On May 06 2015 03:01 y0su wrote: I also need to look into the TT discussion cause he had the same uneasiness about the Scott wagon being "too easy" (could just be both of us being new, but - and i think i stated it earlier - it gave me a T read on him). My issue with this is not that he made this argument but when. He used it to justify how he felt when he was hesitant on voting Scott (when ritoky queried him on it), when the votes were nowhere near decided. Tictock, can you explain why a 2-1 votecount made you hesistant to vote? Because that's what the votes were, when you responded to ritoky about the vote being too easy in you being hesitant. | ||
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On May 06 2015 03:51 Superbia wrote: Also Stutters, HtS, what do you think of your d1 performance? Seriously? That's a loaded question, regardless of whom you are asking. What in the bloody hell are you trying to achieve asking this? And VCA I can try, but same problem - VCA doesn't do much in the way of (useful) information right now when no scum have flipped. I know I'm town, and both main wagons were town with Scott having flipped. | ||
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Isolated votes (e.g. Tictock) are always bad and I've already pointed out problems with him independent of his last minute vote. Waiting for a response on that plus the additional question I had from D1. Offhand I know sicklucker looks really bad because he placed a vote on Scott saying "first impressions are the best" or something and then I told him others also had shite entrances - why was he singling out Scott for his bad entrance. I don't recall him answering that question. Stutters's D1 performance was sparse, as it always is - D1 is a meta read on my end, but the town read comes from post-lynch activity. He's more actively trying to figure things out. | ||
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So you think he's wasting his vote but yet you could buy a newbie play argument. Where does that put you now? | ||
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