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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:18 GMT
#371
On April 21 2015 00:16 Damdred wrote:
Go on and call me scum trfel you keep hinting at it, obviously you think i'm scum. Then vote me you are policy lynching bor, for not so good reasons. So whatever.
You are not the lynch for today. And I'm done arguing with you, because it's getting nowhere, as you aren't willing to listen.

I will discuss with other people one they enter the thread. I would still like an answer to my above question. Thank you.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:22 GMT
#373
On April 21 2015 00:20 Damdred wrote:
You started off this game deciding to target bour and I called your reasoning bad there and I'll keep calling it bad.

Please comment on my argument instead of attacking me.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:30 GMT
#376
On April 21 2015 00:26 Damdred wrote:
I'm not attacking you at all he's null, your argument is just bad. I already commented on your early read which is based off a joke.

I don't see a new player being so carefree as scum in his first post and then trying to side up with bm who is another person of high interest. Especially as scum, you are try hard shrug just looks like he's being honest and you are blowing it out of proportion to fit a narrative you decided to build since game start
What about the part where I said that his earlier posting actually looked a bit good for him? And I still think that it does, just his contradiction and explanation looks really bad. I did not decide to scumread Bourneq from the start of the game, The Shining already pointed out where I said that my first argument was flawed and that it didn't make Bourneq scum at all.

He only sided with Bill Murray after I accused him of sheeping the thread sentiment, and suggested that he could be scum with Bill Murray.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:48 GMT
#380
On April 21 2015 00:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are you guys so allergic to policy lynches?

Policy lynches are great.
Why would you prefer to policy lynch over lynching Bourneq?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 16:43 GMT
#384
If we aren't going to lynch Bourneq, I would rather lynch Bill Murray than an inactive.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 16:51 GMT
#388
On April 21 2015 01:46 Bill Murray wrote:
@TRFEL

"But I did notice that he called Foolishness a great player for town, while mentioning that he makes really long posts. And earlier, Bill Murray scumread me because I made a long post, and long posts are bad for town. Hm."

I said foolishness makes really long posts as Vanilla Town, not merely as town.
I said your long post was null, Trfel. Why are you directly misrepresenting me constantly, over and over? It's really annoying.
On April 20 2015 01:28 Bill Murray wrote:
b. his head is up his own ass regarding this which is a reason he is cancerous and toxic to the town (big posts suck)
You were saying?

LightningStrike, what do you think of my case on Bourneq?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 17:00 GMT
#390
On April 21 2015 01:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 01:43 Trfel wrote:
If we aren't going to lynch Bourneq, I would rather lynch Bill Murray than an inactive.


Why are you so opposed to lynching inactives?
Because I would rather lynch someone who I have more reasons to scumread.

Mathematically, lynching an inactive has a 23.08% chance of hitting scum. I feel that Bourneq and Bill Murray are more suspicious, so lynching them has a much higher chance of hitting scum.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 17:09 GMT
#399
Bill Murray is being extremely persistent. While I don't like his case on scott31337, I can see him actually believing it.

I'd really like to lynch Bourneq, but it seems that I'm the only one who would. Back to the drawing board, I suppose.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 17:21 GMT
#407
On April 21 2015 02:10 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 02:09 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray is being extremely persistent. While I don't like his case on scott31337, I can see him actually believing it.

I'd really like to lynch Bourneq, but it seems that I'm the only one who would. Back to the drawing board, I suppose.

why dont you like my case on scott?
Scott31337 has been helpful this game, as in answering questions and providing information that doesn't involve actual reads. You are scumreading him for this. I don't think that it is alignment indicative.

If town sees a question that they know the answer to, or something that they have a comment on, they will say it to help another player out.

If mafia sees a question that they know the answer to, or something that they have a comment on, they will say it to appear towny.

There's basically no way to tell which one it is, so it isn't really alignment indicative.

You say that it is suspicious that scott31337 reads Bourneq as "meh", but meh has a connotation of disapproval. Scott31337 did actually provide a read on Bourneq's play. I don't think that his wording of "is viewed as scummy" is alignment indicative. While it is somewhat strange, I can see town justifying his point by stating what is generally accepted, instead of presenting it as their own thoughts. It does make sense.

Most of your case is interpretations of scott31337's play that aren't explained at all. I don't understand how you draw the conclusions that you draw. For example, he asks cakepie for reads. Why do you assume that he is trying to identify the best night kill, when a far more likely and plausible explanation is that he simply wants more information to use to read cakepie?

His comment that you are scum 80% of the time is obviously a joke.

This just doesn't convince me that scott31337 is scum here at all.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 17:59 GMT
#414
Hello, Holyflare.

This game is extremely inactive. Town isn't managing to do much of anything.

There is some suspicion on Bill Murray for bluehunting.
Some people want to lynch cakepie for taking a very long time between starting to read the game and posting reads, as well as being non-committal.
I want to lynch Bourneq for a terrible read progression, but no one else agrees with me.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 18:00 GMT
#416
I would say that this post is a good summary of the game, but I'm not sure that everyone would agree.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 18:07 GMT
#421
On April 21 2015 03:05 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 02:59 Trfel wrote:
Hello, Holyflare.

This game is extremely inactive. Town isn't managing to do much of anything.

There is some suspicion on Bill Murray for bluehunting.
Some people want to lynch cakepie for taking a very long time between starting to read the game and posting reads, as well as being non-committal.
I want to lynch Bourneq for a terrible read progression, but no one else agrees with me.

ME, BLUEHUNTING? ARE YOU DUMB? DAFT?

If I wanted to bluehunt I would just nightkill them

wow.
Bluehunting means finding blues, presumably so you can night kill them.

There is suspicion that your statements asking the power roles to claim is bluehunting, because they claim and then you kill them. That is the biggest reason that most people are suspicious of you.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 18:14 GMT
#424
Bill Murray, I don't know your meta. Why would you think that I would? I'm a new player to this site.

Did you miss the part where I said that I don't want to lynch you any more?
And Damdred has been pushing me the most, and at this point he's probably town. But I said that I don't want to lynch him long before.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 18:24 GMT
#427
On April 21 2015 03:21 Bill Murray wrote:
Trfel why were you wanting to lynch the 2 people who either voted you or said they wanted to vote you? Especially considering you said me posting wanting the cop to come forth was town. "i think this post supports bill murray as town slightly" were your exact words, sir.
No, that wasn't town. It just made your request for a mass claim a little less suspicious.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 18:39 GMT
#431
On April 21 2015 03:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Trfel why were you wanting to lynch the 2 people who were suspicious of you?
My reasons are clearly stated in my filter at the time. I don't know why you are asking.

If you are trying to say that I am scum because of OMGUS, then say that.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 18:51 GMT
#437
On April 21 2015 03:46 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 03:14 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray, I don't know your meta. Why would you think that I would? I'm a new player to this site.

Did you miss the part where I said that I don't want to lynch you any more?
And Damdred has been pushing me the most, and at this point he's probably town. But I said that I don't want to lynch him long before.

Why would I think you would? Because you (i thought it was you) referenced a post about me from a different thread?

Did I miss the part where you said you didn't want to lynch me? No, I didn't, but I feel like you're lying.

There is a difference between not wanting to lynch me because you don't want to, and not wanting to lynch me because you can't.

Damdred hasn't been pushing you the most. He has been arguing with you. Why are you flip flopping on your Damdred read? You had him in black before, very near your list of scum, and said you only had him there "because he's damdred". You can't play the "i'm new here" card and also suck up to people you respect... how do you even know who people are? Which way do you want it? Do you want to be able to know the players or do you want to be considered a new player?

Saying you don't want to lynch Damdred why though? Because he is who he is? Just because you are who you are doesn't mean that you didn't roll mafia dude. That's a terrible reason not to vote someone. I don't even think that you believe your own reasoning on that.
I'm not waffling on Damdred. I said that I was suspicious of him, but wasn't entirely sure why, and couldn't prove that he was mafia. Over time, I changed that to a grudging town read.

Leaving good players alive is not that bad of an idea. For example, Holyflare acknowledges that if he isn't dead by Day 3, it's probably a good idea for town to lynch him (assuming no stupid blue claims), as a general rule. If I can't show lots of reasons why Damdred is scum, I'm not going to lynch him on Day 1 when he's been constantly promoting discussion and persistent, despite giving himself an excuse to lower his activity.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 18:55 GMT
#440
LightningStrike

Some people don't learn. I am one of them.

On March 19 2015 23:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 22:56 Damdred wrote:
Ls what are your current reads

Town:
Exo: He seemed to be his normal self some questions but I waiting for him to case someone at some point in the game after playing with him in Newbie LX.
rsoultin: She seems to happy to roll Mafia this game I would think she would be Mad at rolling Mafia again esp with me in the game but she seems to be having fun with her posts so far (She rolled Mafia in Horns of Africa and Titanic) Also she died way to early in JOAT because of mean HTS wanting to get rid of her so she wouldn't figure HTS out in JOAT She also my whisper so listen to her on me.
Holyflare: Some decent questions and plays similar to how he did in Horns when I played with him plus answering a meta point to me about Mafia!Rayn is more useless than Town!Rayn but idk what Rayn post would indicate that he's useless tbh :|
Vivax: Vivax is Vivax and that means he just crazy but I think he's trying hard this game and more likely Town than Mafia upon the fact he's trying so hard but he's crazy so meh.
Trfel: I finding his entrance odd but who the hell claims Mafia Day 1 except for Damdred in Imperial lol..... He got some decent questions and also can't wait for him to case someone even if he case the hosts (For those who didn't check Mini Mafia Down Under 2 he cased the host and it was funny as hell 10/10 would want him to case a host again).
Bill Murray: Asking some decent questions and my first time playing with him and seems to engage with his Mafiaread of Eden and noticing some stuff I don't think others did at the time.
Eden1892: Had some trolling stuff early on which I kinda expect from him as Town compared to Mafia with some decent questioning regarding me to rsoultin. Also his filter is much bigger than his filter as Mafia from experience playing with him.
Superbia: Much more serious already and already down to business which I think makes him more Town than Mafia knowing in Campus was kinda trolling in Day 1 and was useless in Imperial.
Breshke: Short filter but some of his questions ande thoughts to be something I would think he would do as Town more so than Mafia esp his little thing on sicklucker.
Null:
Damdred: Seems to be a his townie self but I remember he looked so townie yet he was Mafia in Titanic so I need another Day of him being alive to make a good read.
Artanis: As I said earlier he looked so Townie in Imperial yet he was Mafia but he also had a bad game as Mafia in Student VI so idk I need some more time to figure him out prob by Day 2 since I know he's a player by reputation being one of the best players in TL Mafia.
raynpelikoneet: Seems much angrier than normal idk if it's truely alignment indicative about him but HF says he's useless as Mafia compared to Town but his filter seems Palmar centric with some side tracks O_o
Palmar: Trolling a good amount I don't think it's alignment indicative for him since he loves to troll as both alignment from my experience with him cept for Metal Mini when he was super serious.
Alakaslam: Slam is Slam and I can't really read him and I know he's the true king of WIFOM as either alignemnt so meh.
Onegu: Very short filter and not really doing much but I remember him being kinda meh as town compared to Mafia but I need some more posts from him.
sicklucker: I can't read him anymore after Linux when he was Mafia and he always bounces off the walls as either alignment and did make some incorrect statements about self meta but he done that as either alignment. I think he becomes obvious Mafia at Day 2/3 area from my experience with him and seeing him playing as Mafia so I waiting for Day 2 to make my read on him.
Fecalfeast: He not raging about his role with time and idk if it's alignment indicative for him from my experience with him being town :|
Sorry for the long wait for my post I was updating it while checking the thread so I wouldn't be so lost and added in info while making the post!
This is a post that LightningStrike made in TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy. Note that he provided a bunch of town reads, and then a bunch of null reads. No scumreads at all.
On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote:
LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up.

Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people:
OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much.
Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together
LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL.
Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post)
Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null.
Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much.
Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far?
Compare that to LightningStrike's first post in this game. Notice the similarities?

He actually doesn't provide a scumread for the entire game. Almost all of his filter is asking questions. The vast majority of his reads are in this one post.
On April 20 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly this game si rather inactive and it kinda bad because scum can just hang back and not post :|
LightningStrike didn't do anything to change the thread activity, he isn't pressuring anyone. LightningStrike is actually a good lynch here.

##unvote
##vote LightningStrike
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 19:03 GMT
#443
On April 21 2015 03:59 Damdred wrote:
zzzz

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 01:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Yes gobbledydook been pretty inconsistent and his posting is weird but it's still early in the day and I never played with him before so I can't use meta on him
I still finding it weird you got a instant town read on me after I posted like twice before you called me town.
Here my pile for each type of read for now:
Town:
Rayn: Brought a early case and been pushing it pretty hard.
Lian: Because he actually trying this game asking some good questions towards oh and he not copying my meta like he did in Void I think it was.
Geript: His first post seem very much like his play in Student V although he seem to wasting some posts on fluff though if he trying to limit his posting.
Keirathi: He been very defensive early due to rayns case and kept on telling ryan he is town it really odd play from him also asking lots of questions and trying to lead discussion with rayn
Damdred: Seems like himself asking questions but he doing a over the top meta read on me is kind of unusual for him to do that on me o.o
Null:
OWS: Lots of 1 liners and lacking much content from him to make a good read on him.
Slam: I finding it hard to read him this game but everyone told me he's hard to read correctly but his vote on Keirathi without much reason is striking me odd.
sicklucker: I can't read him correctly anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was scum on Day 1 I need to see his play in N1 and D2 to see if he's town or scum.
LM: Never posted.


must of been scum here to.

wait he was town. Like I said in guardians that's not how you read ls
I'll check the game. But I would expect him to make a push on scum somewhere before six hours until End of Day.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 19:07 GMT
#445
Fair enough, Damdred, you're right.

##unvote
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 19:14 GMT
#447
I don't know.

##vote cakepie

I don't want to do it. But I can't think of anything else.
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