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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 28 2015 23:48 GMT
#921
Another guy using my read and not town reading me

The fear is real
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
March 28 2015 23:48 GMT
#922
Here Exobuddy I actually did your work for you:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=justanothertownie&view=all
My filter in a recent towngame. Palmar even dubbed me parrotman.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2015 23:48 GMT
#923
On March 29 2015 08:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 08:46 ritoky wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:44 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Mind explaining your yamato read ritoky?


On March 29 2015 02:58 yamato77 wrote:
On March 29 2015 02:55 Holyflare wrote:
On March 29 2015 02:54 yamato77 wrote:
Welp, this is pretty boring.

We need someone to get nuked or something.


are you gonna sheep me?

no you're playing pretty awful tbqh


this post, too antagonistic of HF to be mafia.

Why wouldn't he be? I don't see HF in your townlist.


mafia yamato probably afks through day 1 without picking a fight with a guy who was born spamming.

why are you town? I want to decide if you deserve to be in my 10

Why am I town? Because I got a pm that said so.


meh maybe I will include you. to be determined later
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2015 23:49 GMT
#924
On March 29 2015 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
Another guy using my read and not town reading me

The fear is real


tbh I would town read you if you didn't do 1 specific thing, and because of that I can't.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 28 2015 23:49 GMT
#925
On March 29 2015 08:46 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 08:44 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Mind explaining your yamato read ritoky?


On March 29 2015 02:58 yamato77 wrote:
On March 29 2015 02:55 Holyflare wrote:
On March 29 2015 02:54 yamato77 wrote:
Welp, this is pretty boring.

We need someone to get nuked or something.


are you gonna sheep me?

no you're playing pretty awful tbqh


this post, too antagonistic of HF to be mafia.

Why wouldn't he be? I don't see HF in your townlist.


mafia yamato probably afks through day 1 without picking a fight with a guy who was born spamming.

why are you town? I want to decide if you deserve to be in my 10

What makes you think scum yamato would afk through the day?

I don't know where that logic leap came from.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 28 2015 23:51 GMT
#926
At least quote the original author if you're going to copy their read. People need to know you aren't original
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
March 28 2015 23:51 GMT
#927
On March 29 2015 08:49 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 08:46 ritoky wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:44 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Mind explaining your yamato read ritoky?


On March 29 2015 02:58 yamato77 wrote:
On March 29 2015 02:55 Holyflare wrote:
On March 29 2015 02:54 yamato77 wrote:
Welp, this is pretty boring.

We need someone to get nuked or something.


are you gonna sheep me?

no you're playing pretty awful tbqh


this post, too antagonistic of HF to be mafia.

Why wouldn't he be? I don't see HF in your townlist.


mafia yamato probably afks through day 1 without picking a fight with a guy who was born spamming.

why are you town? I want to decide if you deserve to be in my 10

What makes you think scum yamato would afk through the day?

I don't know where that logic leap came from.

How long since you saw a yamato scumgame?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2015 23:52 GMT
#928
On March 29 2015 08:49 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 08:46 ritoky wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:44 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Mind explaining your yamato read ritoky?


On March 29 2015 02:58 yamato77 wrote:
On March 29 2015 02:55 Holyflare wrote:
On March 29 2015 02:54 yamato77 wrote:
Welp, this is pretty boring.

We need someone to get nuked or something.


are you gonna sheep me?

no you're playing pretty awful tbqh


this post, too antagonistic of HF to be mafia.

Why wouldn't he be? I don't see HF in your townlist.


mafia yamato probably afks through day 1 without picking a fight with a guy who was born spamming.

why are you town? I want to decide if you deserve to be in my 10

What makes you think scum yamato would afk through the day?

I don't know where that logic leap came from.


we're talking about the same guy right? guy who averages like 1 page a day as scum right?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 28 2015 23:55 GMT
#929
JAT my opinion of you isn't going to change unless you step it up. I think you are scum trying to slip by with quoting and agreeing with people while offering nothing to the town yourself.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 28 2015 23:55 GMT
#930
Oh, I guess you're right. It's been probably 2 years since i read a yamato scum game
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 28 2015 23:56 GMT
#931
On March 29 2015 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
JAT my opinion of you isn't going to change unless you step it up. I think you are scum trying to slip by with quoting and agreeing with people while offering nothing to the town yourself.

What is up with this push?

Does JAT do what you're saying as town? If he does, why does it make him scum this game??
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
March 28 2015 23:57 GMT
#932
On March 29 2015 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
JAT my opinion of you isn't going to change unless you step it up. I think you are scum trying to slip by with quoting and agreeing with people while offering nothing to the town yourself.

I won't "step it up" if your definition of "stepping it up" is to post in a different way than I do. Suck it.
If you think that makes me scum then that just means that you are bad at this game.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
March 28 2015 23:58 GMT
#933
On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Probably Town

LightningStrike + Show Spoiler +
While I dont like his push on rsoultin, I feel that the way he did it makes him more likely to be town. I don't think that mafia!LightningStrike would show bias against a player before they start posting, and then continuously push that read. Also, LightningStrike does pay additional attention to rsoultin over everyone else, he showed this in Student Mafia V.

batsnacks + Show Spoiler +
I'm very comfortable with batsnacks as town. He's been pushing good things, and being helpful and sensible.


Slightly Town

rsoultin + Show Spoiler +
The reasons that LightningStrike used to scumread rsoultin are rather poor. In general, rsoultin has seemed carefree enough to be a town lean.

ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler +
Liked his early push on LightningStrike

WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler +
Said a lot of the same things that I felt, seems to be scumhunting. I'm liking his play.


Slightly Mafia

Damdred + Show Spoiler +
His play hasn't been very memorable. He made a post townreading Holyflare for noticing and pushing all of the right things, but Holyflare later stated (and I agree) that he hadn't really done anything by that point.

ExO_ + Show Spoiler +
See below.


Scumreads

sicklucker + Show Spoiler +
See below.


On the Adventuring Party
+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts on the Adventuring Party] +
On March 23 2015 05:44 GreYMisT wrote:
In addition to the above, the members of the adventuring party will receive some bonus powers. These powers cannot be used on the same night as any powers that player might also have.

One thing that people seem to overlook is that the adventuring party is given additional abilities. Therefore, it is not beneficial to only elect someone who does actions that are favorable to town (a generally accepted lynch for the warrior, and letting the lynch go through for the rogue), but also electing people who are town and know how to use these abilities well. However, given the format of one vote per player, and the top three players are elected, I think it is almost impossible for mafia to be completely locked out of the adventuring party. They probably have enough people to take one of the three spots. Looking at the voting analysis could prove quite useful for this.

However, scumhunting is definitely the most important thing, and the adventuring party should only be the focused on later in the day (when it does matter to elect the right people).

ExO_

ExO_'s decision to run for the adventuring party was very delayed. Initially, he seemed to wonder about the game mechanics, and sit on the sidelines, but then he made a slight push for becoming the warrior. And then, he keeps posting campaign pictures, and then suddenly decides that he's willing to be second to someone else's campaign. The goal of his campaign seems to be constantly changing. It's not clear why he decided to run, and why he is so determined to get a spot on the adventuring party. This doesn't necessarily make ExO_ scum, but I am suspicious of him. I'm interested in seeing how he continues from here.

I also don't want to elect ExO_ to the adventuring party because I'm not sure if I trust him with whatever additional abilities the adventuring party is given. I do not want to see ExO_ elected today.

sicklucker

It's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is.
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor
Why would sicklucker do this?
  • As town, sicklucker's claim is intended to get a confirmed town (himself) on the adventuring party. Another possibility is that he actually has extremely strong powers, and wants to ensure that he survives. It is possible that he did this for both of these motives.
  • As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.
And the explanation for this play from town!sicklucker makes no sense.

Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 28 2015 10:50 sicklucker wrote:
0 votes on me a confirmed town. Ya ok
On March 28 2015 10:54 sicklucker wrote:
If i knew this was gonna be a popularity contest and not a give it to a town contest I probably wouldnt have claimed
On March 28 2015 10:56 sicklucker wrote:
You guys better at least make me the cleric or ill question your intelligence.

And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself.

Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed.
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 10:55 sicklucker wrote:
Rsoutin im never nked ever. Like ever I been nked once ever and it was in your first newbie game. im not going to be nked in a 27 player game. Not ever
So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him.

In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective.

Although I haven't actually felt anything scummy in what Trfel has written so far in the game, this post feels quite overexplained, particularly the sicklucker read.

In particular, I can easily see sicklucker posting what he did as town, and it's a very long explanation to tell us why he wouldn't.


The only other thing I noted down (up to the point of this Trfel post) is that I was curious why Half the Sky liked kitaman, given how little kitaman has done. I don't really have a read on kitaman either way, and it's curious that HtS feels the need to pick him out as someone townie.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
March 29 2015 00:02 GMT
#934
On March 29 2015 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 03:41 Damdred wrote:
Do you think that LS is town currently I know you have a good read on him usually? And I know hes calling you scum what do you think of him? Also could you talk a bit more about bats and tell me what you specifically like about him?

Huh?
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 04:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'm not sure how you can even begin to read anything into that opening post. its just one of those typical posts nobody gives a shit about but people think mafia is their blog or something. Idk how you can dislike it on a mafia level though.

Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 04:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
completely neutral and a good post to ignore unless she actually doesnt come back and post anything as from what ive seen her town and mafia play are like night and day..

I like both of those posts.


Yes, so did I - unfortunately that doesn't mean that VA is town.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
March 29 2015 00:02 GMT
#935
On March 29 2015 09:02 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 29 2015 03:41 Damdred wrote:
Do you think that LS is town currently I know you have a good read on him usually? And I know hes calling you scum what do you think of him? Also could you talk a bit more about bats and tell me what you specifically like about him?

Huh?
On March 29 2015 04:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'm not sure how you can even begin to read anything into that opening post. its just one of those typical posts nobody gives a shit about but people think mafia is their blog or something. Idk how you can dislike it on a mafia level though.

On March 29 2015 04:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
completely neutral and a good post to ignore unless she actually doesnt come back and post anything as from what ive seen her town and mafia play are like night and day..

I like both of those posts.


Yes, so did I - unfortunately that doesn't mean that VA is town.

I know. I was actually close to add exactly this statement to the quoted post.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
March 29 2015 00:05 GMT
#936
I have cancelled your debt to the bank of Braavos, justanothertownie.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 29 2015 00:06 GMT
#937
On March 29 2015 08:56 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
JAT my opinion of you isn't going to change unless you step it up. I think you are scum trying to slip by with quoting and agreeing with people while offering nothing to the town yourself.

What is up with this push?

Does JAT do what you're saying as town? If he does, why does it make him scum this game??


Im not really willing to use his past play to justify his play this game (assuming it is the same). I think what he's doing now is scummy and not helpful to town. It's poor play and would be really easy to do as mafia. Playing poorly in one game as town will not excuse you from playing poorly in the next game as town.

That said I don't think he's town playing poorly here. I think he's scum
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
March 29 2015 00:07 GMT
#938
Very kind of you Mr. Dimittis.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
March 29 2015 00:08 GMT
#939
On March 29 2015 09:06 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 08:56 Keirathi wrote:
On March 29 2015 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
JAT my opinion of you isn't going to change unless you step it up. I think you are scum trying to slip by with quoting and agreeing with people while offering nothing to the town yourself.

What is up with this push?

Does JAT do what you're saying as town? If he does, why does it make him scum this game??


Im not really willing to use his past play to justify his play this game (assuming it is the same). I think what he's doing now is scummy and not helpful to town. It's poor play and would be really easy to do as mafia. Playing poorly in one game as town will not excuse you from playing poorly in the next game as town.

That said I don't think he's town playing poorly here. I think he's scum

Up to this point I thought you were just a really bad and misguided towny but this post is really something else.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 29 2015 00:13 GMT
#940
Chez, to answer your question, there are a few people in this community that go against the current meta of posting more = more likely to be town. Obviously if Kita does jack all the next cycle, then obviously that's cause for concern, but there are people like him, LoneMeow and even Trfel that don't post much but they are still fairly readable with the content they have. Kita's posts as town in his town games have generally been simple and either advancing town agenda directly or showing that he's scumhunting. So the volume isn't there, but the content is.

He's not a crazy case maker, nor is he an Eden or a Marv that spams like crazy trying to converse with everyone. But he's still reading as town based on his content.
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