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On April 07 2015 20:17 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:15 Koshi wrote:
If we are going to call people mafia for doing good stuff I am just to get really really bored.
##unvote
##vote: rsoultin lolol pssssst you need to check your english xP or your sarcasm meter but it's cool <3 you're not town if you don't get my alignment wrong at least once a game -sits on koshi's head- paaaalllmaaar if you want to be serious i really would like to know why that one post by GB is not only the most interesting post to you, but by your own admission the only post in the thread worthy of attention xP
When did I say that?
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On April 07 2015 20:19 Vivax wrote:
Koshi suffers from Dota pub burnout. Don't let it get to you if he's passive aggressive.
Btw Palmar we should play a game sometime.
Yes. are we friends on steam?
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There is a big difference between best and only. In fact best clearly implies that there were other candidates to be considered. Did you forget how to English?
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On April 07 2015 20:25 rsoultin wrote:
an exercise!
what other things were candidates but didn't make it to the coveted category of possibly nitpicking?
In brief, I'll write out some:
I actually liked Damdred's opening. I agreed with him picking up that post from GB (as I've shown now later) and in general he sounded like a townie to me.
I sort of maybe think Obi looked bad at times. All his initial contributions were quite shit. I didn't really have any kinde of conclusion though. I think he pointed out that HF did the game-show thing as mafia once without actually drawing any conclusion from it or giving an opinion, so that was kind of maybe scummy, but not terribly so.
I think I recall something from Onegu that was almost policy-lynch-worthy
HF's thing is completely alignment null. It all depends on what he does with it. He's smart enough to realize that he has done this before, and so it really doesn't matter. He could be town doing it to fuck with people or he could be wifom mafia "I wouldn't do it again". It's pointless to speculate until he actually does anything worth reading.
There are probably more I don't recall right now.
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His point being that we should lynch GB for that post. He may not have had the exact same take as me, but the conclusion is the same.
Like in broad strokes I was apathetic about the Obi/HF thing (although HF looked better in it than Obi) and I hated GB's interjection, and I liked that damdred didn't like it.
I really cba with this rsoultin. You know that if I'm mafia I'll be fairly easy to spot a little further down the line so all you're doing now is wasting my time.
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On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water
I don't believe this is true.
My original assumption was that you were trying to stop them by complaining about it. You later clarified that you weren't. But let's assume I don't really think there is any mafia in the group of you three.
Town HF is arguing with Town Obi.
Town GB steps in and "look guys, this is shit. drop it".
I think this is a fair thing to do as town.
I really don't understand why you'd have to be protecting someone. Trying to stop shit to clear the way for more useful conversation is on the surface always a town move. Of course mafia knows this so it's really no big deal (hence why I'm looking at HOW you did what you did, not WHAT you did).
Like this post is full of shit and now I seriously want to lynch you and I don't think I'm nitpicking anymore. Trying to argue that you must be protecting one of them or my theory is shit is awful because it makes no logical sense.
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On April 07 2015 20:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:39 Palmar wrote:
His point being that we should lynch GB for that post. He may not have had the exact same take as me, but the conclusion is the same.
Like in broad strokes I was apathetic about the Obi/HF thing (although HF looked better in it than Obi) and I hated GB's interjection, and I liked that damdred didn't like it.
I really cba with this rsoultin. You know that if I'm mafia I'll be fairly easy to spot a little further down the line so all you're doing now is wasting my time. i'm actually bad at reading you (this "you know" thing is bogus lol) and you're good at day 1 reads so humor me, please and thank you! talk to me about eden ^^
I don't wanna talk about eden, I'm talking about GB. I also don't wanna talk about myself, you or anyone else that you might bring up.
I'll maybe talk about eden later.
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By the way, since I'm both "nitpicking" and pushing arguments that "simply don't hold water", do you think I'm mafia GB?
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On April 07 2015 21:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:58 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 20:42 rsoultin wrote:On April 07 2015 20:39 Palmar wrote:
His point being that we should lynch GB for that post. He may not have had the exact same take as me, but the conclusion is the same.
Like in broad strokes I was apathetic about the Obi/HF thing (although HF looked better in it than Obi) and I hated GB's interjection, and I liked that damdred didn't like it.
I really cba with this rsoultin. You know that if I'm mafia I'll be fairly easy to spot a little further down the line so all you're doing now is wasting my time. i'm actually bad at reading you (this "you know" thing is bogus lol) and you're good at day 1 reads so humor me, please and thank you! talk to me about eden ^^ I don't wanna talk about eden, I'm talking about GB. I also don't wanna talk about myself, you or anyone else that you might bring up. I'll maybe talk about eden later. your narrative begins with GB being scum and continues in that vein regardless of what he says (what you just wrote can easily come from both alignments and all you effectively argued was that it is possible for scum to do townie-seeming things in order to look townie). it's a narrative. narratives bore me i'm more interested in what he thinks HF is doing, which is why i stopped poking at GB earlier there. i've talked about GB ^^ are you planning on working with me this game or aren't you?
I don't know. Up until now working with you hasn't been pleasant. I didn't ask you to talk about GB btw. I simply stated that I was talking about him.
I'm a dog chasing cars and there's a truck in front of me and I'll bark at it no matter what you tell me to do. If you want me to chase something else you can't just say "hey maybe there's a treat in the house". You have to physically show me something more interesting for me to care.
So if you want to talk about Eden, build a case, one way or the other, explain what you think and maybe I'll respond. Don't just say "talk to me about Eden".
I'm |---| this close to being mad at you.
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On April 07 2015 21:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:56 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water I don't believe this is true. My original assumption was that you were trying to stop them by complaining about it. You later clarified that you weren't. But let's assume I don't really think there is any mafia in the group of you three. Town HF is arguing with Town Obi. Town GB steps in and "look guys, this is shit. drop it". I think this is a fair thing to do as town. I really don't understand why you'd have to be protecting someone. Trying to stop shit to clear the way for more useful conversation is on the surface always a town move. Of course mafia knows this so it's really no big deal (hence why I'm looking at HOW you did what you did, not WHAT you did). Like this post is full of shit and now I seriously want to lynch you and I don't think I'm nitpicking anymore. Trying to argue that you must be protecting one of them or my theory is shit is awful because it makes no logical sense. You've explained that you don't think my post fits a town perspective I'm questioning what is Mafia motivation to stop that conversation. The only explanation possible through a Mafia perspective is "GB doesn't want his partner to give information"
No, there's plenty of other explanations.
Also, I found it intriguing until you claimed to have not been trying to stop it. I may have leaned towards you being mafia at the time, but it's not until you specifically said you had not been tryign to stop it that I became really interested.
And now you seem back on talking about ho you were trying to stop the conversation?
Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons you might post this as mafia, irrelevant of whether your intention was to joke and get a lololol response or to stop the discussion.
a) help build "town atmosphere" for brownie points
b) you're mafia, you need to post. This is something that's happening in the thread, let's post about it.
c) comment on something for appearances without really shutting it down.
Like there's such a big disconnect here. You have said that you were not trying to stop them, and now you want me to explain why you'd try to stop them as mafia? This is making my brain hurt.
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Like to be clear, I BELIEVE you when you say you were not trying to stop the discussion. I have never questioned that.
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On April 07 2015 21:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 21:41 Palmar wrote:
Like to be clear, I BELIEVE you when you say you were not trying to stop the discussion. I have never questioned that. Oh, okay. So you're assuming I've posted just to keep posting as Mafia. Is that your accusation?
Basically, yes.
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Like that's the entire reason I'm voting you. I believe you posted without saying anything. Interjected yourself into a discussion without adding anything.
I think the above are mafia traits.
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in her defense she has been a massive peacemaker this morning. Total pain in my ass when I'm trying to start a riot.
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On April 07 2015 22:16 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 22:06 Vivax wrote:
You just said you don't think he's mafia wtf... Because I thought he was nitpicking just to generate discussion. Since he isn't, and since he thinks I was posting just to post, I am reevaluating my position. He is calling me Mafia for a single post I've made without evaluating my overall gameplay. More than this, he is calling me Mafia for something that is null indicative and that other players have been doing (ritoky, for example). He is having a groundless tunnel and double standards by parroting Damdred. It fits perfectly the Mafia partner that comes to defend his buddy from a call out, discrediting the other player
I don't agree with the bolded.
If you read my biggest post, and a followup after that, it's clear that I don't believe you were trying to be funny. It is super clear that ritoky's opening posts are trying to be funny/trolling.
That's the difference. I know why ritoky posted. I don't know why you posted.
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On April 07 2015 22:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 22:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Vivax you still didn't answer me if you think rsoultin is Mafia.
Palmar, who are my partners?
Koshi, give reads. GB/Holyflare/Vivax
Yeah, no.
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Btw my shitty townreads list (that always includes at least one mafia cause I'm bad) is at the moment.
Damdy
Vivax
rsoultin
HF
yamato
ritoky
Not even a single one of those I'm very confident in, but they've all done at least one thing that looks somewhat okay.
Then I got the nulls/total shit people:
Eden
DreadReturn
And the peopel who have done something I think maybe sort of is scummy.
Koshi
Onegu
Obi
GB
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I guess I'll iterate in very short terms on each one. Almost all of these are crazy weak at the moment, but here's what I've thought:
Damdred sounds towny and aggressive. Again I liked him attacking GB at the start of the game.
Vivax just doesn't sound like mafia and he sheeped my case.
rsoultin is a pita. Mafia are rarely massive pita.
HF said something early that I liked. Also I'm wifom gambling on him doing this as town now.
yamato is just a tone read
ritoky because I am going to gamble that his trolling act is a town thing.
Eden: can't even remember a post
DR: has he posted?
Koshi voted rsoultin for being a pita to me I think. It wasn't awful but I didn't like it. Also his scumteam isn't all that great.
Onegu framed his play "I'm going to use a lot of lyrics". He's again doing that thing where he says he'll do something then delivers on it.
Obi because of the "Right" post in response to GB
GB because of all the reasons I've already posted.
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Everyone who doesn't comment on my post will get downgraded on this list.
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