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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 04 2015 13:58 GMT
#30
/in

FREEDOM!
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 05 2015 03:37 GMT
#34
Seriously fuck protoss though...

TL mods cant get me here right?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 05 2015 03:39 GMT
#36
Good is like now -4 hours, whatever that is
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 05 2015 03:47 GMT
#38
01:00 UTC might be ok... What's the current time utc just so I get my time zones right
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 05 2015 03:51 GMT
#44
Holy fuck that utc thing makes so much more sense I thought it was this mythical timezone that Americans use for no reason

Yeh that deadline is good
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 05 2015 03:59 GMT
#46
I bet its a palmar smurf
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 05 2015 14:12 GMT
#74
On March 05 2015 22:59 GlowingBear wrote:
1000% chance of mod kill, indeed
You can count on me


A man can only dream
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 12:14 GMT
#404
Going to give where I'm at so far in the game.

GB does a lot of stupid shit and the reasons for his reads are bad. But he has admitted that he gives people town/mafia reads for less than stellar reasons and so it is not alignment indicative. Of the people who have voted him I don't know how often Soren has played with him but I imagine HF and VE have played more than one game with him. In fact I know that VE has played with GB before in imperial.

HF is being very aggressive about the GB lynch . He could do this as mafia but I think it is more likely he is town.
VE is my top scum read and here is why.

Firstly he made this post
On March 06 2015 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 09:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2015 09:51 Soren333 wrote:
On March 06 2015 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2015 09:42 Soren333 wrote:
Or do you guys treat day 1 lynching differently here in TL?

yes we actually try to find mafia.

By doing what?

By taking the game semi-seriously and then someone says something that interests other people and then people talk about it which leads to other things and then we talk about them. Like we have been talking about you. At some point you can tell who is presenting genuine thoughts and who is not.

Like, do you believe captain fail REALLY believes Tormented is town because "mindmeld", when Tormented made a same post he did after 17 minutes? Do you think it is a genuine thought that the most reasonable explanation is that Tormented is in fact town for it? Why does he not consider the possibility of Tormented wanting to lick his ass by "making similar points he does"?

For me it is a HUUUGE red mark when someone says exactly what i have said before instead of "yeah i agree with rayn". Because that is actually contributing without bringing anything new to the table.

This is a really good post by rayn and confirms him as town for D1 for me. Any questions?


I don't think this is a good enough reason to confirm rayn as town. Like all it does is explain why a read is bad, mafia rayn could easily do this and it feels like a soft reason to kiss rayn's ass.

On March 06 2015 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Those posts by MM1 are just dripping with mafia. Like, I understand that Holyflare asked him how he's doing, but seriously if he wanted to type paragraphs why wasn't ANY of it about the game?


Apparently MM1 is dripping with mafia. ok would be good to get an explanation of it.

But then he switches to GB for no reason that I can see, and again I believe that VE can not think the case made by HF is actually good.

On March 06 2015 14:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
[center]ATTENTION THREAD![center]

I am officially switching my vote FROM MM1 TO GlowingBear. Thank you.


On March 06 2015 14:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
And look! I'm #3 on the wagon! Does anyone want to draw any conclusions as to what that might make my alignment?


And then a switch onto GB without an explanation, I don't think he can believe the case from HF is good. This also feels like an overjustification of a switch. Like "LOOK I SWITCHED WHICH IS WHAT MAFIA WOULDN'T DO, PAY ATTENTION" it's like he is trying to get ahead of someone calling him scummy.

Robik I have a question for you.
When did you decide that GB was town?




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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 12:36 GMT
#407
I think Captain fail could be mafia aswell. Mainly based on his interaction with holyflare and the way he went about reading him. Aswell as Rayn mentioning that he shouldn't be townreading tormented over a "mindmeld" about GB, which felt pretty forced.

On March 06 2015 08:01 captain fail wrote:
I'm first and with that power
.##vote holyflare

Defense thyself


On March 06 2015 08:03 captain fail wrote:
Why is that interesting.

Will you join me on this hf attack force


On March 06 2015 08:13 captain fail wrote:
Hf is arguably the best player in thread and loves the attention an attack gives. We must vet him

However sirens response is bad


This whole series really pissed me off because it makes no fucking sense. If you are going to "attack" someone you should actually have a decent reason, you can say this is "applying pressure" but firstly. If he is the best player in the thread he isn't going to reveal anything under this pressure. And also YOU ARE TELLING HIM IT IS JUST PRESSURE which removes the point entirely. He also throws in a line about HF being the best player which feels like a butter up.

Then he decides to give a list of town.

On March 06 2015 10:05 captain fail wrote:
Anyway I'm not damdred.

Right now I have

Hf
Rayn
Tormented

As town not bad so far


again Hf I don't really know how he got a townread and the tormented town read seemed very forced. Then he comes up with this.

On March 06 2015 10:27 captain fail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 10:16 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2015 10:16 captain fail wrote:
Good thing you are wrong Rayn.

I know tormented meta and it's not to buddy up or act somewhat aggressive in the first couple hours of the game.

Also you are making good points even though you are wrong so I like you regardless


care to explain why you put me as town when i've not particularly done anything at all?


Sure, I like your tone you told people to leave soren alone for a moment instead of s allowing us to pile on him. You are also letting the thread do its thing and give you information instead of forcing the thread where you want it to go.


In the games I have played with Hf he is very forcing with his opinion and making town do what he wants rather than sitting back. Again this read doesn't feel genuine at all
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 12:38 GMT
#408
On March 06 2015 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't like that post at all Kelsier. That looks like you just read some posts and didn't think beyond that at all.


My reads on VE and CF are both well developed , maybe look at the content of them or ask a question if there is something you don't understand.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 12:38 GMT
#409
On March 06 2015 21:24 your mom wrote:
Why so late to the party Kelsier.
I also have the impression you aren't really caught up.


I'm european.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 12:39 GMT
#410
To add on to my read on captain fail. The impression I got reading the thread is that the most forceful push here is HF pushing on GB so how CF got a read of hf "sitting back" makes absolutely no sense.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 12:46 GMT
#412
On March 06 2015 21:45 your mom wrote:
I like some of the stuff you say about CF at first, but how can you tell if it's scummy reasoning and not just townie bad reasoning. The entire case seems built on how bad his reasoning is (the HF staying back = town also let me raise my eyebrows though, he doesn't stay back no matter his alignmet).

You also say GB does a lot of stupid shit and his reasons are bad and cause he admits it he's not scum? I don't see how that's a reason to treat him differently from CF from your PoV. If CF admits his reasoning sucks your case becomes irrelevant?


I know GB's game, I know he does stupid shit. So does VE and Hf so the read makes no sense to me
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 13:08 GMT
#418
On March 06 2015 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 21:38 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 06 2015 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't like that post at all Kelsier. That looks like you just read some posts and didn't think beyond that at all.


My reads on VE and CF are both well developed , maybe look at the content of them or ask a question if there is something you don't understand.

A part of your case on VE is that he called my case good and read me town for it, you are calling my case aswell so why would VE be MAFIA for reading me town there?

The rest of your case on VE is basically because you do not know why he posts what he does. Hell you even say that in your case multiple times...


My case in ve has nothing to do with you.

I'm saying he doesn't actually believe the case on Gb . I made that clear I'm sure when i called him mafia
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 13:12 GMT
#421
On March 06 2015 21:56 your mom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 06 2015 21:45 your mom wrote:
I like some of the stuff you say about CF at first, but how can you tell if it's scummy reasoning and not just townie bad reasoning. The entire case seems built on how bad his reasoning is (the HF staying back = town also let me raise my eyebrows though, he doesn't stay back no matter his alignmet).

You also say GB does a lot of stupid shit and his reasons are bad and cause he admits it he's not scum? I don't see how that's a reason to treat him differently from CF from your PoV. If CF admits his reasoning sucks your case becomes irrelevant?


I know GB's game, I know he does stupid shit. So does VE and Hf so the read makes no sense to me


Are you saying you know VE and HF do stupid shit here?
Did you read my post to VE?


No I'm saying VE and hf aren't stupid so them reading Gb as scum doesn't make sense because ve and I, know how Gb plays. From the imperial game he read me as scum for posting from my phone you know.

As for captain fail. I think the way he went about"pressuring" hf was fake and he wanted a reason to call him town
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 13:15 GMT
#422
On March 06 2015 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 22:08 KelsierSC wrote:
My case in ve has nothing to do with you.

I'm saying he doesn't actually believe the case on Gb . I made that clear I'm sure when i called him mafia

Well i am sorry but you just said your case on VE has something to do with me.

If you think VE does not believe the case on GB you should give some concrete reasoning that makes you think so because "he just switched his vote for no reasoning" in fact suggests that he DOES believe in the case...


I did give concrete reasoning. He can't believe the case on Gb because he has played with Gb before. He can't actually believe the case so he is fake scum reading Gb which makes him.mafia.

Yeh he shouldn't have read you town for the reason he did.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:19 GMT
#452
I think someone mentioned why I dont scum read Gb but scum read cpt. Well I know Gb , he doesn't make sense at any point so I dont think he's scum for that reason. I dont know cpt fail but his early game and his easy town reads are scummy to me.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:22 GMT
#454
Like a few people have called my entrance bad and my.reads backwards but I haven't seen a single decent point against them.
Its like"well this guy is scummy so why isn't this guy" stupid shit like that.

Ym said something like "waiting for ksc terrible entrance" then proceeded to call mh entrance terrible because and trying to immediately throw scum on me
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:23 GMT
#456
On March 06 2015 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Kelsier do you think i am town?



No
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:26 GMT
#458
Well you townread hf because he wasn't pushing the thread his way but the games ive played with hf as town he like bullies the thread to go his way.

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:31 GMT
#468
If you want a reason why I don't town read you rayn it is because I haven't seen you make a particularly good case on anyone yet. You Called out Cpt for having a bad reason to townread tormented, I agree with that but that doesn't make you town.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:32 GMT
#470
On March 06 2015 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nevermind i am gonna be traveling in about an hour.

One of Kelsier's points on VE being scum is "VE is trying to pocket rayn".
It is literally impossible he thinks VE is pocketing me in case he doesn't even think i am town.


Yep but assosciative reads d1 are absolute garbage and you haven't done anything to make you town.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:33 GMT
#471
On March 06 2015 23:29 captain fail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Well you townread hf because he wasn't pushing the thread his way but the games ive played with hf as town he like bullies the thread to go his way.



Not always, I've noticed some things that HF has done as scum that indicate what he did earlier comes more from a town hf than scum hf.

And it just depends, I've seen town HF be more laid back earlier letting the thread develop and bully later after more things have happened and the reverse as scum.


What things specifically make him more town than scum?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:38 GMT
#477
On March 06 2015 23:36 your mom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 23:22 KelsierSC wrote:
Like a few people have called my entrance bad and my.reads backwards but I haven't seen a single decent point against them.
Its like"well this guy is scummy so why isn't this guy" stupid shit like that.

Ym said something like "waiting for ksc terrible entrance" then proceeded to call mh entrance terrible because and trying to immediately throw scum on me


Most scum prefer to enter the thread late to see who they best should make a case on, then you come and pick exactly the low hanging fruit. Given that you have to understand why you're under such scrutiny.


Explain what you mean by low hanging fruit?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:42 GMT
#480
On March 06 2015 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck would VE be "kissing my ass" if we were both mafia?
Would you. Mocsta, have used that wording if you thought we are mafia together?

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:43 GMT
#482
I didn't think you and ve were mafia together. I have no read on you.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:44 GMT
#484
Rayn your whole case on me is that I didn't make an associative read.

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:45 GMT
#486
I call ve mafia

I gave reasons why he is

Me saying "I dont know why he does this" is equivalent to "no town would do this" meaning he isn't town.
My conclusions perfectly follow my logic
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:48 GMT
#488
On March 06 2015 23:38 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 23:36 your mom wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:22 KelsierSC wrote:
Like a few people have called my entrance bad and my.reads backwards but I haven't seen a single decent point against them.
Its like"well this guy is scummy so why isn't this guy" stupid shit like that.

Ym said something like "waiting for ksc terrible entrance" then proceeded to call mh entrance terrible because and trying to immediately throw scum on me


Most scum prefer to enter the thread late to see who they best should make a case on, then you come and pick exactly the low hanging fruit. Given that you have to understand why you're under such scrutiny.


Explain what you mean by low hanging fruit?

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:49 GMT
#490
Exactly
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:51 GMT
#493
Do you think inwas trying to not call ve scummy?
I made that point very clear
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:52 GMT
#494
On March 06 2015 23:51 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 23:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:38 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:36 your mom wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:22 KelsierSC wrote:
Like a few people have called my entrance bad and my.reads backwards but I haven't seen a single decent point against them.
Its like"well this guy is scummy so why isn't this guy" stupid shit like that.

Ym said something like "waiting for ksc terrible entrance" then proceeded to call mh entrance terrible because and trying to immediately throw scum on me


Most scum prefer to enter the thread late to see who they best should make a case on, then you come and pick exactly the low hanging fruit. Given that you have to understand why you're under such scrutiny.


Explain what you mean by low hanging fruit?

means u grabbed the fruit on the tree that was easiest.
i.e. low so nomladder

o.e. u made no effort and cpmmented abou ppl cos they looked bad, not cos they are mafia


Who is the low hanging fruit? Specifically?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:53 GMT
#496
On March 06 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes and your reasoning was him trying to pocket me..
Which means i have to be town for you otherwise the whole reasoning you presented is invalid...

rofl


He could be finding a cheap reason to call a mafia buddy town.

To me the read ve gave on you was fake and didn't feel genuine so it makes ve scummy to me. It doesn't mean shit about your alignment
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:57 GMT
#501
On March 06 2015 23:54 captain fail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 23:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:51 Mocsta wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:38 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:36 your mom wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:22 KelsierSC wrote:
Like a few people have called my entrance bad and my.reads backwards but I haven't seen a single decent point against them.
Its like"well this guy is scummy so why isn't this guy" stupid shit like that.

Ym said something like "waiting for ksc terrible entrance" then proceeded to call mh entrance terrible because and trying to immediately throw scum on me


Most scum prefer to enter the thread late to see who they best should make a case on, then you come and pick exactly the low hanging fruit. Given that you have to understand why you're under such scrutiny.


Explain what you mean by low hanging fruit?

means u grabbed the fruit on the tree that was easiest.
i.e. low so nomladder

o.e. u made no effort and cpmmented abou ppl cos they looked bad, not cos they are mafia


Who is the low hanging fruit? Specifically?


me probably kel? I don't think VE is low hanging fruit


Well that's sort of my point.

Ym made his post about my opening being bad and not liking it. But he said this before I even made a case.on you.

Now he is saying my opening is bad because I went for low hanging fruit.


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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 14:58 GMT
#502
On March 06 2015 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If anyone thinks "VE is trying to kiss rayn's ass" means "He could be finding a cheap reason to call a mafia buddy town" then feel free to refrain from voting Kelsier.

Otherwise you know what to do.


How about drill this into dense skull. Ve town reading you means nothing for your alignment.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 15:04 GMT
#503
Like you haven't even addressed my points on ve or captain. All you've said is I was unclear on my points with ve. Untrue

Then you said I'm mafia for not making an associative read. You haven't made a good case this game I dont town read you.

Your just nit picking on language , like we both did last game on prpl.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 15:05 GMT
#504
Gb is your reason robik a real reason or a Gb reason?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 15:12 GMT
#507
Ve can you explain why you scumread Gb??
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 06 2015 15:14 GMT
#508
Gotta go. Busy day so probably not on till later.
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