• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:47
CEST 22:47
KST 05:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare12Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, sOs, Reynor, Solar15[ASL19] Ro8 Preview: Unyielding3Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025)17[ASL19] Ro8 Preview: Rejuvenation8
Community News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A Results (2025)1$1,250 WardiTV May [May 6th-May 18th]4Clem wins PiG Sty Festival #66Weekly Cups (April 28-May 4): ByuN & Astrea break through1Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game29
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A Results (2025) Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, sOs, Reynor, Solar
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group B GSL 2025 details announced - 2 seasons pre-EWC 2025 GSL Season 2 (Qualifiers) [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group A $1,250 WardiTV May [May 6th-May 18th]
Strategy
[G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed Mutation # 470 Certain Demise Mutation # 469 Frostbite
Brood War
General
[G] GenAI subtitles for Korean BW content BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest ToSsGirL stream thread Battlenet Game Lobby Simulator
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL19] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL19] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
What do you want from future RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Grand Theft Auto VI Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Elon Musk's lies, propaganda, etc. US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey Surprisingly good films/Hidden Gems
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Logitech mx518 cleaning.
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
What High-Performing Teams (…
TrAiDoS
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
BW PvZ Balance hypothetic…
Vasoline73
Test Entry for subject
xumakis
Racial Distribution over MMR …
Navane
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11462 users

VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... - Page 5

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 12 13 14 Next All
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 16 2015 21:58 GMT
#1782
On February 17 2015 05:53 Town Puppy wrote:

Notable nulls: Palmar, ray, HtS. I just haven't read enough of any of their posts. I still feel like HtS wouldn't fakeclaim miller, and I think 2 Jk, 2 mill, 1 cop is probably legit. So I guess she's town but this is predicated on a yolo read so yeah.

I liked what Palmar said when he posted and I didn't like ray's tone when he posted. But it's weak. Eh.


It's official. I am stuck in some kind of an eternal purgatory where no one will be sure I'm town. Ever.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 16 2015 23:58 GMT
#1828
Okay, I wanted to be less lazy and do some more tonight, but this is what you get. I mostly want this posted because i'll be super mad at myself if I don't post this and then get shot.

rayn I don't know now. Basically yesterday when I wrote the case on him, part of the case was also to gauge his reaction to it. I sort of thought to myself "if he responds with straight up omgus, he's mafia" and "if he actually recognizes that what I'm saying is true and valid, and just argues why it doesn't apply, he might not be mafia". The fact that he just left the thread made me more sure he's mafia, and he came back today and just pulled an OMGUS. Then he went and posted _exactly_ what I would have expected him to post as town.

On February 17 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On the other hand i have no idea why Kelsier decided to step up on me. Like everything you say in your case is "correct" except that it's not because it's ME we are talking about here. Kelsier definitely doesn't know me good enough to know because apparently you don't either.

On top of that you should probably read his filter. It's really bad.


See the bolded. Now I'm not sure. Maybe he's town? If he keeps lynching townies and keeps not having any influence on the lynch, kill him, but I don't think we lynch him tomorrow.

ritoky is mafia. Lynch with fire. Besides being completely uninvested and most of his very short filter being chupazi jokes with slam, he actually did suspect rsoultin at some point for what seemed to be reasons he actually believed, then later he posted both a list post with various players that didn't even include rsoultin and a mafia team that didn't either. It's like he forgot she exists which is strange as he in theory already had a read on her. I know all this because it took me well into the night to realize he was even playing so I read his filter. That's how boring his posts were.

Town Puppy and Blazinghand are probably town. Someone pointed out that it fits the flavor for there to be two people and there is literally no reason for mafia to fakeclaim that on day 1 (if one of them is 4real mafia just shuts the fuck up and shoots the other in the night). I haven't really read their posts though.

IAmRobik probably town, I've gotten more confident reading him lately and somehow his posts in the last few games have been less awful than before. I liked how he acted regarding the HTS claim and I really like his read on me and calling me top town (pro-tip mafia, just call me top town for free townreads).

rsoultin is probably town too. I think her interaction with BH early regarding the RNG lynch was pretty much okay. Also despite getting the idea behind my case on rayn completely wrong, I still think she showed an actual interest in it. Her general vibe is also just sort of bubbly/happy which makes her less likely to be mafia.

LightningStrike is a wizard.

KelsierSC could be mafia. Looks especially worse if rayn turns out to be actually town because that defense was basically unnecessary. And I guess the main thing isn't really the defense, it's the fact that he could easily not have argued with me about the rayn thing and instead really tried to push his own thing. He seemed fine with getting caught up in that despite having just posted his own case.

Alakaslam: who knows

I thought prplhz was town yesterday. He made the point about me not reading OPs but didn't seem to really jump to conclusions over it. Howerver I sorta feel like he's disappeared and not been much of a factor in the game since then but still. I actually used to pride myself on being basically a prplhz whisperer because I'd always know his alignment. So maybe I'm just shit.

Superbia is a hard read atm. I kinda liked his initial vote on rayn because it basically was a bit of a "I don't care" move, and he definitely doesn't have that kinda flash as mafia from what I have seen. Soooo town maybe slightly?

Fecalfeast gave me the attention I crave so much. very slight townread.

Half the Sky
Breshke
VayneAuthority

No idea, can't remember anything they've posted. (especially for HTS that might be scummy, because I always tend to figure her out as town quite early, I even wrote about how it's a pretty unique skill of hers).
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:01 GMT
#1832
Also remember, I almost _always_ give one mafia a random townread for no good reason. It's kind of my thing as town, to give one mafia just a pass. But yeah, lynch ritoky, look into ksc, hts, prplhz etc.

If by day 4 there are no mafia dead and robik is still alive, murder the fuck out of him.

if he's town:

- we go out with a bang
- we make him mad and he gets banned
- he deserves it for being bad
- we ruin his not lynched as town record

if he's mafia

- we lynch mafia

so it's like a win/win/win/win/win.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:04 GMT
#1833
On February 17 2015 09:01 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright palmar next time you post something I will just ignore it completely because fuck engaging in a conversation, fuck

It was a pointless conversation. Without rayn being back there was nothing to defend him on. My case was objectively correct at the time and you just argued about nothing.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:06 GMT
#1836
On February 17 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Palmar did you not see Rayn claim Mafia?

Bro...
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:07 GMT
#1839
Slam who is the towniest townie in town?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:07 GMT
#1840
On February 17 2015 09:06 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 09:04 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:01 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright palmar next time you post something I will just ignore it completely because fuck engaging in a conversation, fuck

It was a pointless conversation. Without rayn being back there was nothing to defend him on. My case was objectively correct at the time and you just argued about nothing.


Objectively is a difficult word.

I get to define it, you don't.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:09 GMT
#1843
But yes I do know the difference.

I am objectively the best mafia player here (because it's a fact and not influenced by opinion).

on the other hand

I am subjectively the best looking player in this game (it can be argued that rayn's see-through-pale face matches up to my burly manliness).
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:11 GMT
#1845
On February 17 2015 09:09 LightningStrike wrote:
I always take things serious ritoky......

Really?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:14 GMT
#1847
On February 17 2015 09:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 09:11 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:09 LightningStrike wrote:
I always take things serious ritoky......

Really?

Really.

Okay then, I hadn't noticed.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:16 GMT
#1851
On February 17 2015 09:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 09:09 Palmar wrote:
But yes I do know the difference.

I am objectively the best mafia player here (because it's a fact and not influenced by opinion).

on the other hand

I am subjectively the best looking player in this game (it can be argued that rayn's see-through-pale face matches up to my burly manliness).


Ok...

Point is I disagreed with your post on rayn. It seems to me that you made a lot of assumptions and I brought that up to you. I don't think its pointless. I gave town a chance to read my posts then I engaged with you. That does not mean I have no interest in my own case. I actually offered you the chance to talk about my case on prplhz and you just ignored me

yes I did the thing people do when they actually believe the shit they're saying.

I ignored your case to push mine. Because I don't give a fuck about what you have to say when I think I have something. That's how normal people who are not mafia act. You on the other hand seemed fine with just posting whatever.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:17 GMT
#1852
On February 17 2015 09:16 ritoky wrote:
oh and palmar, I stopped my rsoul read because some1 told me that the stupid emoji crap was part of how she always posted and 1 time she got lynched as mafia for not posting enuf. went and looked, turned out to be true; so I am trying to grit my teeth and bear it, but I still have a visceral reaction of wanting to lynch her when she posts.

So at that point she became "not even null" in your mind?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:20 GMT
#1856
I need to sleep. I'm only semi invested in the game (more than imperial, less than pyp) so don't take my reads as gospel if I flip. But do go back and check why I said some of the things I said. (if I gave a read on a person, go a check to see if the reason for the read still applies).
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:20 GMT
#1858
On February 17 2015 09:19 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:16 ritoky wrote:
oh and palmar, I stopped my rsoul read because some1 told me that the stupid emoji crap was part of how she always posted and 1 time she got lynched as mafia for not posting enuf. went and looked, turned out to be true; so I am trying to grit my teeth and bear it, but I still have a visceral reaction of wanting to lynch her when she posts.

So at that point she became "not even null" in your mind?


no comprende what you're asking.


On February 16 2015 11:43 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 11:39 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:38 ritoky wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:34 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:32 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:30 IAmRobik wrote:
BH, if we lynch Eden today and he flips JK, should we lynch you tomorrow?


We won't, so it's not a valid question. Anyone who pushes a lynch on Eden is the same as pushing a lynch on me. We're both JKs.

You think there are two people named Lord Percy Percy in this game...?

Pretty sure that's bastard mod tier


It is. But I'm here to help and drive the discussion, so, bear with me. Pretend I'm town. Don't unvote me; just pretend i'm town and discuss things with me. What do you think of Breshke? Are there any cases you want me to review or people to talk about?


breshke is mafia for his first couple posts in the thread imo, rule nazi'ing while sidelining gave me dem scum vibes

Can you make a list post for me?


mafia:
rayn
lian
breshke
hts

town:
robik
slam

derp:
TP
BH

way too uninvested:
ff


You forgot she existed.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:21 GMT
#1861
On February 17 2015 09:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 09:16 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:09 Palmar wrote:
But yes I do know the difference.

I am objectively the best mafia player here (because it's a fact and not influenced by opinion).

on the other hand

I am subjectively the best looking player in this game (it can be argued that rayn's see-through-pale face matches up to my burly manliness).


Ok...

Point is I disagreed with your post on rayn. It seems to me that you made a lot of assumptions and I brought that up to you. I don't think its pointless. I gave town a chance to read my posts then I engaged with you. That does not mean I have no interest in my own case. I actually offered you the chance to talk about my case on prplhz and you just ignored me

yes I did the thing people do when they actually believe the shit they're saying.

I ignored your case to push mine. Because I don't give a fuck about what you have to say when I think I have something. That's how normal people who are not mafia act. You on the other hand seemed fine with just posting whatever.


Well that's not how I do things

I know, you're one of those nasty mafia people.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:27 GMT
#1871
why is superbia obvtown rsoultin?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:29 GMT
#1873
On February 17 2015 09:27 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:24 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:17 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Alright rsoultin come and talk to us and same to you Breshke I swear no one here bites :O


Lol, EoD just ended in my other game. Whatcha wanna talk about, LS? xP

Not Slam and Rayn claiming weirdness, I hope

What you think of ritoky, Superbia, Robik, and KSC and them calling me Mafia?


ritoky and Robik I've liked this game and KSC I'm having trouble getting a read on. Superbia's kind of obv town, so not sure why you're asking about him at all. But people calling you mafia is normal, LS lol

I'd be more concerned if someone like HtS was doing it.

what does this mean?


LS is someone you learn to read with time. So those players who have played with LS more frequently, like HtS or myself, I'd expect to be able to read him easier.

This is probably quite reasonable. and rsoultin is super right that LS is basically being LS this game.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:30 GMT
#1877
On February 17 2015 09:29 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 09:27 Palmar wrote:
why is superbia obvtown rsoultin?


Short of super WIFOMy play on the part of mafia, which I don't feel that the mods would honor but that's just me lol, his figuring out the possibility of two JKs thing makes him all but confirmed town. Am I missing something?

oh I was afk for that part. Did he suggest that before Sentinel came in and hinted that it might be true?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:31 GMT
#1879
doesn't really matter, I gave him a townread anyway and I'm really good so there's that.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 17 2015 00:33 GMT
#1885
On February 17 2015 09:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 09:27 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:24 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:17 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Alright rsoultin come and talk to us and same to you Breshke I swear no one here bites :O


Lol, EoD just ended in my other game. Whatcha wanna talk about, LS? xP

Not Slam and Rayn claiming weirdness, I hope

What you think of ritoky, Superbia, Robik, and KSC and them calling me Mafia?


ritoky and Robik I've liked this game and KSC I'm having trouble getting a read on. Superbia's kind of obv town, so not sure why you're asking about him at all. But people calling you mafia is normal, LS lol

I'd be more concerned if someone like HtS was doing it.

what does this mean?


LS is someone you learn to read with time. So those players who have played with LS more frequently, like HtS or myself, I'd expect to be able to read him easier.

so what's his alignment and why?

I don't actually think LS has an alignment. He's just kind of there. He's like a mirror.

Think about it. If you say something to LS, LS will show you exactly what you said at face value. No questions, no distortions, no interpretations.

The man is a goddamn mirror.

So I wonder, what does a mafia see when they look into the mirror?

did LS trap them? Did they see their own scummy reflection?
Computer says mafia
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 12 13 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
17:00
GSL 2025 Group A
IndyStarCraft 292
SteadfastSC91
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 292
ZombieGrub178
ProTech96
SteadfastSC 91
DisKSc2 56
StarCraft: Brood War
Dewaltoss 112
KwarK 40
Dota 2
Gorgc8252
Dendi1232
NeuroSwarm53
Counter-Strike
fl0m1546
pashabiceps984
Stewie2K415
flusha310
NBK_175
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3890
Liquid`Hasu410
Khaldor179
Other Games
tarik_tv13521
summit1g2667
mouzStarbuck757
ToD168
Trikslyr57
QueenE36
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1826
StarCraft 2
ESL.tv132
Other Games
BasetradeTV50
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta11
• Reevou 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade2246
Other Games
• Shiphtur347
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 13m
OSC
3h 13m
Replay Cast
3h 13m
The PondCast
13h 13m
Online Event
1d 7h
ShoWTimE vs MaxPax
SHIN vs herO
Clem vs Cure
SHIN vs Clem
ShoWTimE vs SHIN
SOOP
1d 12h
DongRaeGu vs sOs
CranKy Ducklings
1d 13h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 14h
SC Evo League
1d 15h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 17h
[ Show More ]
Chat StarLeague
1d 19h
PassionCraft
1d 20h
Circuito Brasileiro de…
1d 21h
Online Event
2 days
Matvey vs herO
SHIN vs Cure
Clem vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs herO
ShoWTimE vs Clem
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Chat StarLeague
2 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
BeSt vs Light
Wardi Open
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Soulkey
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL Code S
5 days
ByuN vs Rogue
herO vs Cure
Replay Cast
6 days
GSL Code S
6 days
Classic vs Reynor
GuMiho vs Maru
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

FGSL Season 1
PiG Sty Festival 6.0
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

BSL Nation Wars Season 2
StarCastTV Star League 4
JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
2025 GSL S1
Heroes 10 EU
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Spring 2025
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.