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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 19 2015 13:39 GMT
#3041
On February 19 2015 22:29 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, also, I really want to lynch BH. Like my brain says nah, don't be dumb, and it's probably just the smug ass attitude while he trolls around and barely contributes, but I really want to lynch him.

Someone explain why again it would break the game if the mods suggested there could be two JKs, that BH may actually not be one of them?

Also, kinda like Superbia's filter, though I remember you being a ton more helpful the last game I played with you, Super.

We're not lynching BH.

If BH is scum, the game is invalid because the host interfered with the meta thing. So if he is mafia and the host has any integrity, BH would be modkilled and the host would then commit sudoku.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 19 2015 13:39 GMT
#3042
Who do you actually think is mafia rsoultin?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 19 2015 13:41 GMT
#3043
On February 19 2015 22:12 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 21:51 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 06:59 ritoky wrote:
i am kind thinking my day 1 read on robik might have not been good too.

by robik's own metrics of his scum play, if he can't keep his post count/activity up then he is mafia and he has yet to really be around.

but then again, i don't know if mafia robik doesn't read the OP like he demonstrated with the veteran claim....


ritoky, whenever you come by again, mind explaining this?


EBWOP:

Going back through Robik's filter, I'm even more confused. It looked like he wasn't reading the thread or thinking at all in regards to the night actions, but how does that translate to reading the OP?

he got the claims wrong.

Which technically indicates that he is town. Although if the claims were simple enough that me and BH understood them without having to make a scene out of it, it could also mean he did that intentionally.

But meh. I propose we just try to lynch Robik tomorrow. He's even more transparent than me when people actually try to lynch him.

If he's town, the trick is just to stop before he gets himself modkilled.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 19 2015 13:43 GMT
#3044
Like I actually suggest we do exactly that, try to murder the fuck out of robik tomorrow to see what his alignment is.
Computer says mafia
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 19 2015 13:51 GMT
#3045
On February 19 2015 22:38 Palmar wrote:
Like LS is actively in the thread, doesn't give a shit who he's talking to.

I admit, I've never seen scum LS as I can remember, but disregarding all meta, LS is just being LS.


I haven't seen a scum LS since the first time I caught him, and he's had a ton of time to improve, it's true; his town game has gotten better since then lol. But my read on him has been pretty accurate every game, and he feels like town LS to me. There was nothing natural and easy about his scum game, and anyone who confuses awkward, happy posts with forced posts just doesn't know how to read xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 19 2015 13:53 GMT
#3046
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 22:29 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, also, I really want to lynch BH. Like my brain says nah, don't be dumb, and it's probably just the smug ass attitude while he trolls around and barely contributes, but I really want to lynch him.

Someone explain why again it would break the game if the mods suggested there could be two JKs, that BH may actually not be one of them?

Also, kinda like Superbia's filter, though I remember you being a ton more helpful the last game I played with you, Super.

We're not lynching BH.

If BH is scum, the game is invalid because the host interfered with the meta thing. So if he is mafia and the host has any integrity, BH would be modkilled and the host would then commit sudoku.


It's supoku, Palmar xP

Eh, I don't know, is it really acceptable for the mod to confirm anyone in these games? That seems like poor modding and I had a higher opinion of Sent than that.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 19 2015 13:57 GMT
#3047
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
Who do you actually think is mafia rsoultin?


I've got a list that isn't making sense anymore. That question was more for ritoky than robik, btw, don't really care that robik can't read or understand simple things xP

We should probably just lynch prplhz tomorrow, in all honesty. His entrance was shit, he made one or two good posts, and since then he comes back in asking for updates and to whine at people scumreading him. And I go 'oh, that's right, he's in this game'.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 19 2015 14:03 GMT
#3048
On February 19 2015 13:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 13:10 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 19 2015 13:07 rsoultin wrote:
If rayn flips cop and palmar is scum I should probably just resign from this game and this forum entirely, because my reads have reached an all-time low lol ><


Unlikely, he claimed a red-check on Palmar and had Palmar as a maybe on his scumlist beforehand.
And as I see Superbia commented, his gameplay is not remotely town let alone a blue role.

Also I don't think 2x JK plus vet and cop with 2 millers is balanced. But I'll let that for BH to sort that out.


cop doesn't really do much with 2x miller, and wouldn't upset balance terribly. it's also possible, however unlikely, that superbia is actually SK, since superbia was probably shot by scum rather than by a vigi for various reasons

in any case, rayn is obviously not the cop.

I won't even try getting you guys to shenannie onto vayne, after Palmar posted that video it's impossible. slick move, Palmar.


I just really hate this post from BH. Came before the flip.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 19 2015 14:04 GMT
#3049
On February 19 2015 22:29 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, also, I really want to lynch BH. Like my brain says nah, don't be dumb, and it's probably just the smug ass attitude while he trolls around and barely contributes, but I really want to lynch him.

Someone explain why again it would break the game if the mods suggested there could be two JKs, that BH may actually not be one of them?

Also, kinda like Superbia's filter, though I remember you being a ton more helpful the last game I played with you, Super.


Yeah. I haven't been as invested in this game as I wanted to. The fact that all my d1 reads were wrong are kind of of-putting. I'll see if I can leave a legacy tonight (though there's a decent chance I won't die) that accurately encompasses the entire scum-team + SK. All this talk about good players makes me hungry for a bit of spotlight. :D
Minimal effort.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 14:13 GMT
#3050
"Rayn is obviously not the cop" I want to say TMI, but then again Rayn had fakeclaimed and his redcheck is "maybe" mafia...

I've been very suspicious of Ritoky from the off.

Prplhz, I know Kelsier and I were onto him earlier and when I asked him why it appeared the way he was throwing his votes like he wanted to see what sticked...I don't recall a very good answer.

BH, without that claim, he'd be very close to the top of my scumlist. In a chat I had with him before this game, I remember asking him about his skill level, and he admitted he wasn't the best, etc, but he could hold his own, and I feel he's more capable a player than the way he's playing right now.

I just don't have the balance exp atm, and glancing through some setups in the database, there has been weird shit setups before but this is also my first Sentinel game, so I don't think it's productive for me to start boarding the host WIFOM train atm.

This is off the cuff - I am getting wrecked at work atm, on my phone. I'll be glancing at this thread and throwing thoughts as I remember them.

The other thing I want to explore is what was the vote count when Robik had his "Raynvalation". I'm not in a position atm to page through all of D2 picking the votes, but that needs to be looked at. He could have been trying to build cred when earlier he was trying to hammer Rayn for not solving the game when Palmar, Damdred and myself were on him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 19 2015 14:14 GMT
#3051
On February 19 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:29 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, also, I really want to lynch BH. Like my brain says nah, don't be dumb, and it's probably just the smug ass attitude while he trolls around and barely contributes, but I really want to lynch him.

Someone explain why again it would break the game if the mods suggested there could be two JKs, that BH may actually not be one of them?

Also, kinda like Superbia's filter, though I remember you being a ton more helpful the last game I played with you, Super.

We're not lynching BH.

If BH is scum, the game is invalid because the host interfered with the meta thing. So if he is mafia and the host has any integrity, BH would be modkilled and the host would then commit sudoku.


It's supoku, Palmar xP

Eh, I don't know, is it really acceptable for the mod to confirm anyone in these games? That seems like poor modding and I had a higher opinion of Sent than that.


Either way it's completely fucked up. But BH definitely needs to be town here. The only reason Sent would intervene there is if BH was town JK. The game was about to be ruined because no one (except scum, probably) knew about the double JK thing. As such, town was headed towards lynching 2 PRs in a row. It would've been massively fucked up and people would be mad at Sent. Honestly I think the game needed a reset after the reveal, but again, that's for postgame.
Minimal effort.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 14:16 GMT
#3052
Superbia, I think I might know who the SK is. But we need that SK for the anti-swing and unless I failed in my alignment tally early this morning I don't want to risk him getting shot.

Or if he gets shot, does that KP resolve simultaneously?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 19 2015 14:16 GMT
#3053
On February 19 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:29 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, also, I really want to lynch BH. Like my brain says nah, don't be dumb, and it's probably just the smug ass attitude while he trolls around and barely contributes, but I really want to lynch him.

Someone explain why again it would break the game if the mods suggested there could be two JKs, that BH may actually not be one of them?

Also, kinda like Superbia's filter, though I remember you being a ton more helpful the last game I played with you, Super.

We're not lynching BH.

If BH is scum, the game is invalid because the host interfered with the meta thing. So if he is mafia and the host has any integrity, BH would be modkilled and the host would then commit sudoku.


It's supoku, Palmar xP

Eh, I don't know, is it really acceptable for the mod to confirm anyone in these games? That seems like poor modding and I had a higher opinion of Sent than that.

It's not the point.

We were about to lynch Blazinghand. The host sweeps in and points out that it's not unbelievable and specifically mentions the flavor of the game. Due to this we don't lynch Blazinghand.

If Blazinghand is mafia, he got saved by host interaction. I really, really cba dealing with that shit too.
Computer says mafia
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 14:17 GMT
#3054
I read the OP, I cannot tell if KP resolves simultaneously.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 19 2015 14:17 GMT
#3055
On February 19 2015 22:57 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
Who do you actually think is mafia rsoultin?


I've got a list that isn't making sense anymore. That question was more for ritoky than robik, btw, don't really care that robik can't read or understand simple things xP

We should probably just lynch prplhz tomorrow, in all honesty. His entrance was shit, he made one or two good posts, and since then he comes back in asking for updates and to whine at people scumreading him. And I go 'oh, that's right, he's in this game'.

Your list please, don't care if it makes sense or not, I just want to see it.
Computer says mafia
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 14:18 GMT
#3056
Yeh the whole mod thing threw me off. I don't know what to make of that, everyone was on the same assumption.

Blazinghand has been very anti-town, if he's town, I don't understand even with a mod interaction why he's not having the incentive to act town. He doesn't play these games very often, but I also don't know him as a player well. You'd think he'd be somewhat motivated, no?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 19 2015 14:19 GMT
#3057
On February 19 2015 23:04 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 22:29 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, also, I really want to lynch BH. Like my brain says nah, don't be dumb, and it's probably just the smug ass attitude while he trolls around and barely contributes, but I really want to lynch him.

Someone explain why again it would break the game if the mods suggested there could be two JKs, that BH may actually not be one of them?

Also, kinda like Superbia's filter, though I remember you being a ton more helpful the last game I played with you, Super.


Yeah. I haven't been as invested in this game as I wanted to. The fact that all my d1 reads were wrong are kind of of-putting. I'll see if I can leave a legacy tonight (though there's a decent chance I won't die) that accurately encompasses the entire scum-team + SK. All this talk about good players makes me hungry for a bit of spotlight. :D


That would go a long way to helping set aside the paranoid BH/Super scum play of the year theory that popped into my head last night.

Anyway, work.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 19 2015 14:22 GMT
#3058
On February 19 2015 23:17 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 22:57 rsoultin wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
Who do you actually think is mafia rsoultin?


I've got a list that isn't making sense anymore. That question was more for ritoky than robik, btw, don't really care that robik can't read or understand simple things xP

We should probably just lynch prplhz tomorrow, in all honesty. His entrance was shit, he made one or two good posts, and since then he comes back in asking for updates and to whine at people scumreading him. And I go 'oh, that's right, he's in this game'.

Your list please, don't care if it makes sense or not, I just want to see it.


Prplhz
Ritoky
BH
Super
Slam/HtS/Robik/Damdred

The last slot is just cause I think I'm being hyper paranoid about the 3rd and 4th, but until I scratch the itch the thought won't go away ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 19 2015 14:24 GMT
#3059
On February 19 2015 23:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeh the whole mod thing threw me off. I don't know what to make of that, everyone was on the same assumption.

Blazinghand has been very anti-town, if he's town, I don't understand even with a mod interaction why he's not having the incentive to act town. He doesn't play these games very often, but I also don't know him as a player well. You'd think he'd be somewhat motivated, no?


I think he's scum...maybe Super isn't and just played into his hands or something, but BH is really eating at me.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 19 2015 14:24 GMT
#3060
On February 19 2015 23:22 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 23:17 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:57 rsoultin wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
Who do you actually think is mafia rsoultin?


I've got a list that isn't making sense anymore. That question was more for ritoky than robik, btw, don't really care that robik can't read or understand simple things xP

We should probably just lynch prplhz tomorrow, in all honesty. His entrance was shit, he made one or two good posts, and since then he comes back in asking for updates and to whine at people scumreading him. And I go 'oh, that's right, he's in this game'.

Your list please, don't care if it makes sense or not, I just want to see it.


Prplhz
Ritoky
BH
Super
Slam/HtS/Robik/Damdred

The last slot is just cause I think I'm being hyper paranoid about the 3rd and 4th, but until I scratch the itch the thought won't go away ><

Why do you think VA is town?
Computer says mafia
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