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On February 05 2015 10:17 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 10:14 rsoultin wrote:On February 05 2015 10:13 Eden1892 wrote: rso why do you ask this? Have you caught up with the thread yet? No, I want to start with the filters of the people being scumread and work out from there. I ask because we're like... 22? hours away from the lynch. There aren't any main wagons yet.
Lol, you do love to argue semantics. I'm trying to decide if I agree with any of these scumreads. Main wagons, scumreads, people leading the votes, what have you.
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Damn. Onegu left.
If you're still around, Onegu, what is your beef with Bresh? I don't see anything contradictory about him reading LS scum for using faulty logic in a read and not reading you scum when you're talking about a gut read.
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On February 05 2015 10:44 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not meaning to argue semantics, it just came off suspicious to me
Shrug
HF and marv when are either of y'all going to make a case for rsoultin being mafia? I know it's late in the UK rn so I'm not expecting it right away, but you both are just kinda nodding in agreement with each other about her, and I know I don't see it at all
Yo, Eden, if you're scumreading JAT (I assume you still are?) why were you criticizing HF for calling Damdred's townread on JAT scummy?
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EBWOP: Correction, just saw where you dropped him back to null. So what was your read on JAT at the time of this post?
On February 04 2015 12:38 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 12:35 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2015 12:01 Eden1892 wrote:On February 04 2015 10:34 Holyflare wrote: Damdred is far far far too sure about his reads. JAT just fooled people as mafia last game and plays as mafia generally well yet he's probably town, I have literally just been trolling yet at the top of the page he's trying to convince me to kill rs after he flips, marv he said be wary of yet still lists him as town even though he knows he's a miller....
silly Like this is literally your only actual post explaining why Damdred is mafia, and it's actually not a good one because: - "Probably town" is an ok read to give someone who's been relatively active and attentive d1 even if they play a good mafiasided game - Unless he thinks you're definitely mafia he's going to try to dissuade you from lynching him - His comments on marv made sense when he clarified them (saying don't let marv be lazy) and you ignored the clarification and didn't expound no it's absolutely not with jat's filter I have literally posted nothing at that point in the game but trolly spam which he was "angry" at me for so literally nothing to town read me for and do you think that was going to dissuade me from lynching him and if so why didn't he respond to my questions afterwards? He said he was angry at me and was ignoring me yet tried to appeal to me while being angry at me instead of directly conversing with me. That's scummy shit because it's avoiding actual interaction. You can clarify all you want but it doesn't mean he has to be telling the truth and the original was not worded like his clarification in the slightest. so is JAT mafia or what? unless you think he is then I really don't see the difference between an early "probably town" read vs a "null" or whatever you wanted him to say (unless you wanted him to say mafia in which case, see question) Cause he got mad? Avoiding interaction isn't per se suspicious, and I think you know this. Context is king. If he got mad at you for piling onto him - and whether you like it or not your reasons up to the reads post weren't actually all that coherent - then I would totally expect him to shut down, whether he's town or mafia. It doesn't mean anything Already discussed the marv thing further in a recent post
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At first I thought this looked pretty townie despite Breshke's criticism, since it seems very stream-of-consciousness which I'd think it would be hard to reproduce for scum. Note the bolded names, though.
On February 04 2015 13:12 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 13:04 rsoultin wrote:On February 04 2015 13:02 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I understand why people calling me scum on my meta alone but I been playing some LoL games with my clan that's all and honestly I only played with scum!Eden and I getting a strange feeling from him this game that he might be scum but he seems sarcastic and trolling a lot earlier but he seem to be more serious now that how he was in our last game so (shrugs) Also I defended you rsoultin because I know you pretty damn well and you know it  I know you defend me a lot so I'm less suspicious when you do it vice other people. Where are your reads now, LS? So far seems to be Eden possible scum but it just might be paranoia on my part and I did unvote him since I can't get a train going. Damdred Null leaning leaning what?? his actions early were pretty questionable to how he normally plays but he seemed to look better for now. Sicklucker might be town but the last time I gave him a free pass on Day 1 he was scum I will have to hold off on that for now. Marv and Palmar are town since they made a decent case on Damdred being scum and followed up on it. JAT is most likely town he doesn't seem to be like a dick like he was when he was scum in Void Mafia. HF null I only played with him as scum only seemed him as town for 1 game but I can't tell the difference for now. Bats null he made to little posts for me to read him correctly. Onegu might be possible town but I never played with him before but he got a couple good questions but his filter length is pretty small too. Breshke town he asking lots of questions about me like he did in Student V and trying to make a meta case on me being scum.
Then, his very next post, he puts it in a list:
On February 04 2015 13:16 LightningStrike wrote: So TLDR on my reads Town: Marv Palmar JAT rsoultin (She acting like she does in normal games asking lots of questions and being paranoid too) Breshke Onegu
Null: Damdred Batsnacks sicklucker Holyflare Koshi (To little posts to go on for me) Scum: Eden1892
Looking back at the thread, I don't see anyone asking him about the players he left out of his reads paragraph. It almost looks like an "oh shit, I didn't mention someone; better put them in the list".
Don't know if it means anything, but it struck me as odd.
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So now no one wants to interact with me? Brilliant. Gonna stop clogging up the thread then.
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On February 05 2015 11:31 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 13:55 Breshke wrote: Im voting LS
You seem to not really be understanding what is going on in the thread. Also your reasons for scumreading people are either wrong or don't make sense.
Vote LS Because how can you say this and then say my feeling makes sense. But I think I'll get off him and go back to my hero Koshi for now. But Koshi don't get to excited your like aquaman to Marvs batman, to Rayns Superman, to hapa as God.
Ninja'd.
I think the difference, Onegu, is that feelings by definition don't make sense. It's one thing to say you're reading someone a certain way based on a feeling, and quite another to say it's for A, B and C where A and B don't make sense and C isn't true.
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On February 05 2015 11:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 11:31 rsoultin wrote: So now no one wants to interact with me? Brilliant. Gonna stop clogging up the thread then. well I don't think what you wrote particularly means anything, you didn't really reach any conclusion either?
I'm not sure that it means anything either. I think I already said that. What's your read on LS? He basically said the same thing to SL, Breshke and Damdred, hinting they're scum without coming right out and saying it.
On February 04 2015 14:50 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 14:14 rsoultin wrote:On February 04 2015 14:08 LightningStrike wrote:On February 04 2015 14:06 Eden1892 wrote:On February 04 2015 14:05 LightningStrike wrote:On February 04 2015 14:04 Eden1892 wrote:On February 04 2015 14:00 LightningStrike wrote:On February 04 2015 13:51 Eden1892 wrote:On February 04 2015 13:49 LightningStrike wrote:On February 04 2015 13:46 Eden1892 wrote: LS, what is your case that I'm mafia? Your trolling earlier reminded me of your play in Linux where you trolled pretty much the entire game but you looked better since then so I getting you Null for now since I only played with you scum. What trolling? Cite sources. And what made me look better? Cite sources again. Your Miller stuff from earlier were seemed like trolling in my mind or just bad play within these two posts: On February 04 2015 08:06 Eden1892 wrote: I'm a miller On February 04 2015 08:07 Eden1892 wrote: All millers should out so we can lynch among them for mafia What made you look better is that you seem to be scum hunting after the Miller stuff but you did troll me when you said Computer said Mafia on my posts asking for peoples thoughts on Palmar and Marv. But you seemed to be genuine on your thoughts especially about me on what you thought of me. Is this your case for me being mafia? I can't tell because it doesn't seem to imply "Eden is mafia" and I don't see that anywhere in your post. No this isn't a case of you being Mafia I was just explaining my thoughts. OK, my bad, I misread it. What is your case for me being mafia? I told you I changed my reads on you to null for now because you looked better since the opening. Hey, LS...what do you think about Bresh's reads on you and Onegu? The funny thing about Breshke is that he gets my alignment wrong when he's scum when I'm town so that is something to consider for now.
On February 04 2015 14:54 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 14:53 Damdred wrote: I'm here and there its raid night though so not as much here.
Games hard but you kill the obvious mafia in ls first. You never got my alignment wrong in a game before this one what hell......
On February 05 2015 01:16 LightningStrike wrote: sicklucker you never been wrong on my alignment when I'm town and this time it seems like you are calling me scum...........
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On February 05 2015 11:38 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 10:56 rsoultin wrote:On February 05 2015 10:44 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not meaning to argue semantics, it just came off suspicious to me
Shrug
HF and marv when are either of y'all going to make a case for rsoultin being mafia? I know it's late in the UK rn so I'm not expecting it right away, but you both are just kinda nodding in agreement with each other about her, and I know I don't see it at all Yo, Eden, if you're scumreading JAT (I assume you still are?) why were you criticizing HF for calling Damdred's townread on JAT scummy? where is this question going?
I'm trying to understand why you were defending Damdred for a townread on JAT if you weren't reading him town.
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On February 05 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote: Rsoultin do you think LS is scum
I think there's a good chance he could be, yeah.
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On February 05 2015 11:50 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 11:40 rsoultin wrote:On February 05 2015 11:38 Eden1892 wrote:On February 05 2015 10:56 rsoultin wrote:On February 05 2015 10:44 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not meaning to argue semantics, it just came off suspicious to me
Shrug
HF and marv when are either of y'all going to make a case for rsoultin being mafia? I know it's late in the UK rn so I'm not expecting it right away, but you both are just kinda nodding in agreement with each other about her, and I know I don't see it at all Yo, Eden, if you're scumreading JAT (I assume you still are?) why were you criticizing HF for calling Damdred's townread on JAT scummy? where is this question going? I'm trying to understand why you were defending Damdred for a townread on JAT if you weren't reading him town. Damdred's alignment isn't per se dependent on agreeing or disagreeing with my reads. The problem I had was that I felt like Damdred's reading JAT town at the time wasn't suspicious, and I didn't get why HF found it so
Kay, should I sheep you on your Onegu read? I'm finding nothing to make me think anything on him one way or the other.
(Also, just saying, you and HF are coming off like you're arguing with each other just to argue.)
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On February 05 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote: he's just butt hurt because he knows i'm town
Not sure what that has to do anything. I asked you about LS.
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On February 05 2015 12:12 Damdred wrote: People should sheep my read
SL or LS?
I can't remember if policy lynches are normal for SL or not, to be frank. That's the one thing I'd need to tip me over. His filter definitely lacks the spaz or anything terribly interesting.
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Yeah, I'm not seeing policy lynching, and there's also this lovely gem from Metal where he was town:
On December 17 2014 11:47 sicklucker wrote: I always start out day 1 slow if im not tunneling on some mechanic. The threads been dominated by players ive never played with and ls whos been covered to death so I dont feel I have much to add yet. Lets be real Im not a policy lynch ,im hyper active sometimes right sometimes wrong, never afraid to speak my mind(thats how you read me) But I always try
##vote sicklucker
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On February 05 2015 12:31 LightningStrike wrote:Guys I'm back and I really want to give up now since no one but Koshi, Marv, and JAT are calling me town >.< For my list post rsoultin I accidentally forgot to put the people who I put the notes by in my post on my reads that's all. Also I meant your normal behavior as town not opening you silly girl. Now I seeing people calling sicklucker scum and I might buy it if some of my town reads sheep the case on sicklucker by Damdred. Also I going to put in the blank because I thought I had put some words in my long reads post at the time to make it more clear: Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 13:12 LightningStrike wrote:On February 04 2015 13:04 rsoultin wrote:On February 04 2015 13:02 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I understand why people calling me scum on my meta alone but I been playing some LoL games with my clan that's all and honestly I only played with scum!Eden and I getting a strange feeling from him this game that he might be scum but he seems sarcastic and trolling a lot earlier but he seem to be more serious now that how he was in our last game so (shrugs) Also I defended you rsoultin because I know you pretty damn well and you know it  I know you defend me a lot so I'm less suspicious when you do it vice other people. Where are your reads now, LS? So far seems to be Eden possible scum but it just might be paranoia on my part and I did unvote him since I can't get a train going. Damdred Null leaning town his actions early were pretty questionable to how he normally plays but he seemed to look better for now. Sicklucker might be town but the last time I gave him a free pass on Day 1 he was scum I will have to hold off on that for now. Marv and Palmar are town since they made a decent case on Damdred being scum and followed up on it. JAT is most likely town he doesn't seem to be like a dick like he was when he was scum in Void Mafia. HF null I only played with him as scum only seemed him as town for 1 game but I can't tell the difference for now. Bats null he made to little posts for me to read him correctly. Onegu might be possible town but I never played with him before but he got a couple good questions but his filter length is pretty small too. Breshke town he asking lots of questions about me like he did in Student V and trying to make a meta case on me being scum. I feel like Damdred was just tunneling me when I wasn't around..............
That makes a ton more sense than calling the openings the same. So do you think Damdred, SL and Breshke are all scum for scumreading you, LS?
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On February 05 2015 05:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote:On February 04 2015 13:26 Breshke wrote:On February 04 2015 13:18 rsoultin wrote:On February 04 2015 13:12 Breshke wrote:On February 04 2015 12:59 rsoultin wrote:On February 04 2015 12:56 Breshke wrote: He also doesn't seem to be as engaged as he normally is Bresh, do you have any scumreads right now? You, i don't like the entire damdred thing. You seemed happy to park your vote until you got pinged out. And then trying to folllow the conversation between you and eden about why you scumread damdred gives me a headache and i still don't really get where you are coming from. I also don't like LS I want to scumread SL out of spite because "he only tries when he is mafia" and is seemingly going through the thread and replying to stuff now so he is trying yes? But thats just SL so null. It's as simple as Damdred made some strange comments and then appearing to be deliberately avoiding the question. I have no reason to scumread him otherwise because I really don't see what the big deal was about him questioning Eden's list. So do you still scumread him? Obviously not? He came back in and explained his comments later, and they made sense. I would like to hear a more detailed explanation here. Why was he scummy to you initially and what about his explanation changed this and why.
Just saw this...and I feel like I've probably explained it 20 times now.
The weird post on marv. Didn't much care initially but marv and HF jumped down his throat for it:
On February 04 2015 09:42 Damdred wrote: Palomar is the trendiest town.
Eden town
Marv is town but don't let him skate by on his miller claim.
On February 04 2015 09:46 Damdred wrote: Marv sounds happy so he's town. Bit don't let him be terrible confirmed town when I die and make him do things
On February 04 2015 09:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 09:46 Damdred wrote: Marv sounds happy so he's town. Bit don't let him be terrible confirmed town when I die and make him do things Of course..... so how does the first part relate to him being miller and forced to do things?
After which, Damdred just stopped answering. He also continued to ignore HF and instead tunneled on me:
On February 04 2015 09:49 Damdred wrote: I'm just stopping posting while I'm at work because trying to do to many things
But then he did actually come back into the thread and clarify the statements on marv. I didn't see anything that looked inconsistent or awkward, so I removed my vote.
On February 04 2015 11:46 Damdred wrote: I'm home now and will get on comp after raids.
Anyway, to clarify while I don't have a staff to manage. Marv is a claimed miller I think tone wise he's town just based on his postings obviously, so that in itself totally negates most of the sentence I was taking crap for earlier that I under explained. Miller is obviously easy for mafia to fake claim so IF Marv slips into lazy mode just lynch him, if he's productive I had a good read.
HF you have a good scum game I scummed you for tone and other things last game I can't say I have a reliable grip on you though, and you feel towny atm.
This explanation for ignoring HF's questioning also rings true to me given last game where HF just browbeat Damdred for hours ><
On February 04 2015 11:47 Damdred wrote: I am avoiding hf because his heads up his ass atm and its not enjoyable talking to him much
And I still don't get the other reasons for scumreading Damdred, so -shrugs-
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On February 05 2015 12:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +This explanation for ignoring HF's questioning also rings true to me given last game where HF just browbeat Damdred for hours >< but I was mafia and he thinks i'm town this game.........? why would it ring true in the slightest
Because you're an obnoxious ego-driven twit as either alignment <3 love ya though (and you're still better than DP)
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On February 05 2015 13:00 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 13:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 05 2015 12:57 Holyflare wrote:This explanation for ignoring HF's questioning also rings true to me given last game where HF just browbeat Damdred for hours >< but I was mafia and he thinks i'm town this game.........? why would it ring true in the slightest Because you're an obnoxious ego-driven twit as either alignment <3 love ya though (and you're still better than DP) If DP reads this he going to kill you for it :O
I seem to remember him already getting me mislynched. We'll call it retroactive retribution.
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On February 05 2015 13:03 Eden1892 wrote: I liked Koshi's filter when I reread it too. Huh.
Yeah I'll kill SL today and go from there. I don't like having exactly 3 scumreads but who knows.
It got better with time, mostly (just fluff in the beginning). His 100% townread on me and leaving the vote on Breshke even after agreeing that Breshke seemed to be following his town meta doesn't sit well with me, though.
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On February 05 2015 13:18 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 13:14 Holyflare wrote: I actually already know the entire mafia team so gg SCUM CLAIM!!!
lol A+
If HF isn't going to share with the class, I'm going to bed.
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