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hey, damdy, your case jives with what I remember of eden (have yet to filter him) but I'm still trying to work out in my mind what makes him the best lynch today
do you have any objections to a robik or palmar lynch that would justify adding a third lynch train att?
gonna go read his filter, but please answer this while I'm doing that, will you?
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Lol, Palmar.
Damdy, I'll lynch Eden with you if you can get the votes. Trfel, you should take the time to read Eden's 5-page filter if you can.
He wanted to ignore Palmar for shit reasons. His defense of me was eh and weird in that he was the only one doing it. If an entire town thinks I'm doing something scummy, it's probably because I am.
And I'm sorry but an FF or LS for lynch as default because he can't push Damdy anymore really is low-hanging fruit.
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On February 02 2015 03:35 Chezitwo wrote:oh.. I thought you were my friend.
Chezzy, your insta!meta-quotes and vote on Palmar caught Marv's attention after having to explain FF's play to you, and I'm inclined to think it's weird how quick they came, too. How do you know Palmar and not FF?
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Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez.
I was townreading you. You're making me sad 
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On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:35 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
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##Vote: Chezitwo oh.. I thought you were my friend. Chezzy, your insta!meta-quotes and vote on Palmar caught Marv's attention after having to explain FF's play to you, and I'm inclined to think it's weird how quick they came, too. How do you know Palmar and not FF? I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember.
How long have you been playing on this site, Chez?
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On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad Why does my self vote make you think I am not? Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:35 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
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##Vote: Chezitwo oh.. I thought you were my friend. Chezzy, your insta!meta-quotes and vote on Palmar caught Marv's attention after having to explain FF's play to you, and I'm inclined to think it's weird how quick they came, too. How do you know Palmar and not FF? I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember. How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time.
Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo.
Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments?
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On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad Why does my self vote make you think I am not? On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:35 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
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##Vote: Chezitwo oh.. I thought you were my friend. Chezzy, your insta!meta-quotes and vote on Palmar caught Marv's attention after having to explain FF's play to you, and I'm inclined to think it's weird how quick they came, too. How do you know Palmar and not FF? I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember. How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time. Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo. Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments?
EBWOP:
At the very least on the players being pushed for lynch: Palmar, Eden, Robik...
(If I'm missing anyone someone chime in.)
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On February 02 2015 03:55 Damdred wrote:
Also rsoultin how excited are yout o vote with someone you want to lynch in Palmar right now?
What are you talking about?
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On February 02 2015 03:58 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:55 Damdred wrote:
Also rsoultin how excited are yout o vote with someone you want to lynch in Palmar right now? What are you talking about? You voted with Palmar on Eden XD
Ah, I don't know -_-
I think Eden can easily be scum independent of Palmar's alignment. I like your case and he's been bugging me ever since the night kill scamgasm. Marv not being sure on Palmar anymore, and the weekend thing is something I've seen mentioned before...
Obviously a Palmar lynch isn't going to happen when it completely distintegrated o.0
I think I'm fine with it based entirely on Eden's play and will worry about who Palmar is trying to save himself to lynch later.
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On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad Why does my self vote make you think I am not? On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:35 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
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##Vote: Chezitwo oh.. I thought you were my friend. Chezzy, your insta!meta-quotes and vote on Palmar caught Marv's attention after having to explain FF's play to you, and I'm inclined to think it's weird how quick they came, too. How do you know Palmar and not FF? I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember. How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time. Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo. Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments? How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time.
A search function explains the timing more than adequately, as for the vets...I'd figure they'd have a better idea than I would how widely-known FFs meta (not really playing) is. It would help if you'd actually give how long you've been playing here.
TBH, FF is playing more here than he was in the first games I've played with him.
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On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I read it and I read Eden's filter. I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him. On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad Why does my self vote make you think I am not? On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:
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Chezzy, your insta!meta-quotes and vote on Palmar caught Marv's attention after having to explain FF's play to you, and I'm inclined to think it's weird how quick they came, too. How do you know Palmar and not FF? I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember. How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time. Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo. Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments? How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time. I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline? What do you think of me? Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think.
I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are?
So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now?
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On February 02 2015 04:26 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I read it and I read Eden's filter. I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him. On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad Why does my self vote make you think I am not? On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:
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How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time. Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo. Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments? How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time. I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline? What do you think of me? Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think. I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are? So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now? The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia. These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open. I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum.
Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo.
Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game.
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On February 02 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
Voting eden
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Damdred, does this make you comfortable at all? He's been saying all night that we may be right but he didn't see it, and now he's just sheeping.
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On February 02 2015 00:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
Also, I'm not really liking Eden this game on a gut level that I'd have to iron out, but why do people want him as a lynch over all the other possible lynches today?
Damdred, can you answer that? HF? I don't but i haven't read him yet other than in real time and he seemed ok then
Your most recent post on him?
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On February 02 2015 04:34 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:26 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I read it and I read Eden's filter. I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him. On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:
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Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo.
Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments? How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time. I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline? What do you think of me? Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think. I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are? So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now? The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia. These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open. I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum. Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo. Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game. I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit.
Mmm...bah lol. Can I just say right now that I absolutely hate Day 1?
Okay, so either Palmar is town and Eden's alignment doesn't matter or Palmar is scum and Eden is probably town. This isn't getting me anywhere.
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On February 02 2015 04:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:35 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 00:46 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
Also, I'm not really liking Eden this game on a gut level that I'd have to iron out, but why do people want him as a lynch over all the other possible lynches today?
Damdred, can you answer that? HF? I don't but i haven't read him yet other than in real time and he seemed ok then Your most recent post on him? I'll highlight the discrepancy for you 
Alright I can believe that. What do you think of HtS' reentrance into the thread?
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On February 02 2015 04:37 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. I disagree. It's something he's clearly been thinking about outside of the game, so it's easy to bring out during the game. Non alignment indicative at best. Show nested quote +While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment. Could you quote these? We have limited time and if you know where they are that'd speed this up. Show nested quote +The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit. Is this the same point you've mentioned before? Because when I went through Eden's filter I saw very little actual digging and more observations.
Truffle, your analysis...
It's kinda icky.
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On February 02 2015 04:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:42 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 04:35 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 00:46 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
Also, I'm not really liking Eden this game on a gut level that I'd have to iron out, but why do people want him as a lynch over all the other possible lynches today?
Damdred, can you answer that? HF? I don't but i haven't read him yet other than in real time and he seemed ok then Your most recent post on him? I'll highlight the discrepancy for you Alright I can believe that. What do you think of HtS' reentrance into the thread? I don't remember anything she's done since the first time she entered the thread.
Just a second ago. The post she just made. I feel like I wasted precious seconds of my life reading it.
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On February 02 2015 04:47 Half the Sky wrote:This is tough. Using my knowledge of his super town play in Hammertime, I'm more inclined to scumread him on this play, but given his ranting in that game, I can understand him wanting to tone it down. Since we don't know whether it could be a cover, it is why I was treating his rant as NAI. I'm still feeling worse about Robik, but another angle looking at Eden is whether he could give his one good point for the day (like that SL read, I mean a lot of people at that time were scumreading SL) and figured that if he was just good enough to not get lynched, he could afk. His scum play in NYE party mafia was just that. He wasn't townie, but did just enough or convinced just enough to not get lynched. I had recapped the point on Eden how after the point on SL it was a point on defending Rasputin in the face of 3 of us questioning her but a scum Eden would have perfect information such that he could do that without suspicion. Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 00:54 Half the Sky wrote:
The key points I'm gleaning from Eden's filter (from the large posts):
1 The meta claim issue with SL, which he pushed on. (page 2-3 of his filter)
2 Comments on Rasputin after her questioning of Damdred on read progression
3 Defending Palmar based on Hammertime
4 Recapping SL's post
1 and 2 seemed like thought out concepts but afterwards I see what you mean Damdred...
But on account of #3, I feel Palmar can troll as either alignment, and I don't like Robik's claim. I can see why Eden would be a good lynch for today. I was going to filter dive Robik before leaving but let me look at both those two now.
One problem here, HtS.
Last time we talked you still "suspected" me.
I know I'm town. How do you?
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