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On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this? You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it? In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself. Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might. Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet. I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it. Okay, maybe I didn't lol. I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about. You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game.
So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch.
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I got maybe a half hour left tops. Any questions? Anyone want me to do something?
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On February 17 2015 05:40 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:31 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch. Hier...I'm trying really hard not to tunnel you. If you're saying that Tere is your other scumread and are only now reading her fiter...gah -_- you do realize how bad this looks, don't you? I mean, it doesn't escape you, right? What were your initial reasons for your scumread on Tere? She was reaching with her initial assessments. She needed something to establish convincing player analyses. Saying jarjarbinks is likely a town player because of his spreadsheet? There was no spreadsheet. Similarly I could have said I made a spreadsheet, would I get points? Not to mention I corrected jarjarbinks's math in one of my posts. Calling you a "Known town or towny" because of your explanation of WIFOM for zlefin? Laughable. Jarjarbinks and rsoultin are related. Taking that into account, I see absolutely no problem with a temporary read in that manner.
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On February 17 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:37 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this? You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it? In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself. Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might. Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet. I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it. Okay, maybe I didn't lol. I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about. You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game. So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch. Unless you still want Shining? I could see him being scum, but I don't want him over Hier at present lol Nah, man, I've been mislynched twice. On the same day, ironically. It happens lol. But I was actually talking to intent. I expressly said how much I've played to Tere earlier, so it's not a secret -shrugs- Course, he could just not be reading. I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting.
Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right?
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On February 17 2015 05:44 zlefin wrote:
Yes trfel, I'd like to hear your opinion on jarjar.
Jarjarbinks has always been strange to me. He likes to focus on numbers and purely logical ways to play mafia (which I don't believe is possible, but that's a discussion for another time and place). Especially on Day 1, I'm not used to seeing very much subjective scumhunting from jarjarbinks. Therefore, just because of his progression on the Bridges method and the simulations he ran, I am hesitant to lynch him on Day 1. Other than that, he has shown at least the level of scumhunting that I expect, so I really don't want to lynch him today. In addition, rsoultin is convinced that jarjarbinks is town, so that helps even more.
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On February 17 2015 05:48 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:43 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:37 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this? You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it? In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself. Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might. Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet. I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it. Okay, maybe I didn't lol. I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about. You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game. So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch. Unless you still want Shining? I could see him being scum, but I don't want him over Hier at present lol Nah, man, I've been mislynched twice. On the same day, ironically. It happens lol. But I was actually talking to intent. I expressly said how much I've played to Tere earlier, so it's not a secret -shrugs- Course, he could just not be reading. I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting. Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right? Yup lol. It was most likely because I wasn't here to defend myself, but I was also hard-tunneled on Damdred who was town and there was a lot of OMGUS going on lol The other was on the other site Shining and I play on. There's a player called Mages...he and I are like each other's nemesis xP If we're different alignments it turns into an all-out brawl lol. But yeah, mislynched twice on the same day. It was not a good mafia day for me. On the contrary, that seems to be a rather good day for the mafia.
Out of curiosity, how much time do you spend playing mafia per day, across all sites?
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Yeah, at this point I guess I'm pretty convinced that a Hier lynch is the best that we are going to get. Not ideal, but it will have to do.
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On February 17 2015 05:57 rsoultin wrote:
What would be ideal, Trfel?
I know you like to be pretty sure of your scumreads, but in the absence of surety...
Also, not ignoring you, Hier. I disagree that her reads lack substance, but I've also been doing tonereads, so :/ Like, I think if someone seems easy and casual, that's usually a town tell, too. It would be ideal if he admitted that he was scum so we could lynch him in peace. Sort of like Eden in Linux Mafia.
To be honest, that's the only lynch I haven't been apprehensive about, because he freaking claimed scum. It really is a problem of mine, I never see when a case is solid. Trying to work on it.
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Hier, if you want to avoid getting lynched today, you are going to need to find someone who looks scummier than you. At this point, I think that is your only way out.
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On February 17 2015 06:06 Hier wrote:
There is no avoiding me getting lynched, that has been established a long time ago. I am making last efforts for town to win once I'm gone. Then he makes posts like these that make me not want to lynch him.... I'm so bad at this game XD
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What do people think of maybe lynching ElyAs? Looking at his filter, he seems to have been doing very little since his few initial posts and having several people read him as leaning town. He seems very satisfied to watch a Hier lynch happen, while stating that he is with me in having doubts for the lynch.
I need to leave in about 6 minutes. I was late for lunch because I was playing mafia, not going to let that happen again.
+ Show Spoiler +I still think that a Hier lynch is significantly better, but it would be nice if someone wanted to take a closer look. Thanks in advance?
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I wish I could take a closer look, but on memory alone, I would greatly prefer an ElyAs lynch to a zlefin lynch. I might try to make a case on ElyAs with something like 10 minutes to the deadline, but probably not. Oh well.
If someone wants to look into alternate wagons, though, I suggest ElyAs.
Hier, if you are in fact town, I apologize. Mislynches happen.
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On February 17 2015 06:22 ElyAs wrote:
Came back a little earlier, I'll be there until EOD. I kinda agree with you that Hier is a lynch by default, either we find a better lynch or we make the most of it if he flips town. I'm gonna try to do the former by analyzing the posts since my last post.
Plus, I didn't see anybody actively defending Hier, this is generally a sign of a mislynch if I'm not mistaken
Trfel, saw your post as I was writing mine, I'm not satisfied with this lynch to be honest.
I hope you're still around, do you want to ask me something ? Hm, that's ironic timing.
If you prepare a nice list of reads and show your attentiveness and thinking about recent events, my (small) desire to lynch you will be removed.
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Yup, kind of saw that one coming. Was really hoping for the other outcome, but oh well. I guess I've taken the role of naysayer to the Day 1 lynch, and I'm usually right (though it's not hard to be right in guessing that the Day 1 lynch is wrong, haha).
Apologies to Hier. We tried our best.
Anyway, I'm terribly sorry that I couldn't make it back for EOD as I had hoped, though it looks like it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference.
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One thing I'm thinking right now is that players who weren't really liking the Hier lynch are perhaps more likely to be scum. Knowing that Hier is in fact town, they could have been distancing themselves from the lynch by already knowing its result. A player who initially showed support for the lynch but later retracted this support would probably be the most suspicious.
I know that this category includes me, and that's fine. Obviously it isn't foolproof, but I will keep it in mind when I look through what happened.
I'm also going to be looking for people whose activity/scumhunting waned after we seemed set on a Hier lynch, since those people are more likely to be mafia.
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Is anyone here to discuss things with? I know it's spammy, but the past several games I've found that it helps me to bounce ideas off of someone, in addition to providing encouragement for me to actually put effort.
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On February 17 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote:
Is anyone here to discuss things with? I know it's spammy, but the past several games I've found that it helps me to bounce ideas off of someone, in addition to providing encouragement for me to actually put effort.
Lonely Trfel.....
oh well, I'll do my best to motivate myself and share thoughts anyway. If someone wants to talk, just let me know.
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On February 17 2015 10:00 Tere wrote:My sensei has taught me the ways of the database: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-databasectrl-F for the person whose filters you want to find. Having read Hier's other two VT games, I don't know if it would have helped any though. One was very short, the other filter read a lot more agreeable to me. (n.b. Hier, you could try proposing the Bridges idea as a playtest in the forum thread if you really want to try it out, perhaps? TL Mafia plays, like the Diplomacy thread?) Anyway, I am hoping some of you awesome people with evenings left will post thoughts in the thread. Back in a few hours  Oh, and just to be absolutely safe here....
You aren't supposed to mention coaching at all in this thread. You could potentially be modkilled for it.
Sorry for the quadruple post (bad Trfel), my thoughts are a bit disjointed.
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Yay, Trfel isn't alone any more :D
Multitasking is fine, it's not like there is much activity here.
What do you think about what I just posted about two things to look for for scum behavior over the past day (not scumhunting after the Hier lynch seemed set, and showing discontent with the Hier lynch)? Am I right in thinking those things, or not?
Also, what do you think of my alignment at the moment?
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On February 17 2015 06:24 Tere wrote:
xpost above, natch. What does this mean? Cross-post above, naturally? If so, can someone please explain this to the weak-minded Trfel?
On February 17 2015 10:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 10:53 Trfel wrote:
Yay, Trfel isn't alone any more :D
Multitasking is fine, it's not like there is much activity here.
What do you think about what I just posted about two things to look for for scum behavior over the past day (not scumhunting after the Hier lynch seemed set, and showing discontent with the Hier lynch)? Am I right in thinking those things, or not?
Also, what do you think of my alignment at the moment? Think those are very good metrics and I doubt you bring them up when they paint you scum xP You may be that crafty, but I don't think so. You're right that I've always seen you waffle on votes at EoD lol.
Rsoultin, I'm almost thinking that you are insulting me here 
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