Just put your top scumread in italics or something and we can keep an unofficial count.

But I know I don't know what I want out of today atm, and I want more time to think

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:04 GMT

#884

1d4h

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:05 GMT

#886

On January 28 2015 04:04 Toadesstern wrote:
also mafia would have hammered that if we had 28hours left and we were at 4 votes. GB mafia, gg

bingo, unless both mafia were already on gb

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:06 GMT

#890

I have to admit that it's weird that GB would self-vote and retract if he's mafia. You don't self-vote as mafia unless you're planning to have your partner hammer it away to cut off discussion.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:13 GMT

#895

On January 28 2015 04:08 Toadesstern wrote:

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do you think there's 2 mafias between: Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern ?
Not even Palmar would agree with that because he thinks it's GB + me, which might be some kind of an exception as well because GB might not vote for himself. Then again, he already showed that he does and it would get him -28 hours for town... I think he'd take that as mafia in his spot.

It's not impossible. HTS is the only person on that list I would say absolutely isn't mafia. Robik is very probably town, but it's worthy to note that a lot of his getting townread is that he's said the "right" things about a player (GlowingBear) popularly perceived as mafia, and so if GB is town (which the 2-mafia-on-GB theory necessarily implies), that has to be reevaluated. And I'm still uneasy about you and concerned about VE. So I'm still considering that possibility, yeah.

Alternatively, GB could be mafia and his partner could have already tried to bus before the self-vote.

There's nothing that anyone can say right now that can move any of those possibilities out of the realm of statistically significant chance, so I want time to evaluate all of them.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:14 GMT

#896

Which, as I scroll up and see the vote count I missed earlier, I see you've all mercifully given me. Thanks.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:17 GMT

#898

I wonder if it's too early to use that "The guy who's off doing his own thing is very probably mafia" heuristic.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:19 GMT

#900

On January 28 2015 01:23 GlowingBear wrote:

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Yeah, that is a scum giving up.

Gg well played

GB, if you're town, why post this? I understand getting frustrated, but you posting this and then retracting your self-vote honestly looks like mafia getting cold feet about self-hammering.

Toad looks like he might have a pretty compelling point about his panicking over Palmar here.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:20 GMT

#902

Well, no, strike that. If the panicking didn't come until after GB retracted self-vote, it doesn't hold.

Question stands though.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:22 GMT

#903

On January 28 2015 04:20 Half the Sky wrote:
If GB somehow isn't mafia, this would have to mean Palmar AND Onegu ARE scum.

Because Robik and I were ALREADY on him. But Onegu was NOT sold and thought GB was martyring so we cannot make that association.

I'm not following your conclusion here, Onegu not hammering town!GB and defending him instead is an odd decision to make if Onegu is mafia. GB gift-wrapped himself to be lynched there, Onegu could have just been like "lol policy vote martyrs" and no one would really have batted an eye. If GB is town then I think Onegu has to be town too.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:23 GMT

#904

And then if GB is mafia and self-voted then he obviously set up his partner to hammer him. mafia!Onegu would have hammered too.

I think Onegu might actually have to be town regardless of GB's alignment.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:25 GMT

#905

Wait, no. If GB is mafia then Onegu could totally be mafia too. Onegu doesn't want to bus his partner here, Onegu decides to "try to talk GB down" so to speak, GB un-martyrs. That works.

OK, so all I really got is Onegu is town if GB is town.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:27 GMT

#907

bruh.
i'm not even talkin about you LMAO

I was trying to figure out a reason why mafia!GB would get cold feet about martyring, and the only thing I thought of is that he might have seen you flipping your shit about getting lynched and tried to get on that ice instead

But it doesn't matter b/c you flipped out after GB unmartyred so

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:29 GMT

#908

On January 28 2015 04:19 Eden1892 wrote:

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GB, if you're town, why post this? I understand getting frustrated, but you posting this and then retracting your self-vote honestly looks like mafia getting cold feet about self-hammering.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:34 GMT

#911

Well, firstly, self-voting is only playing against wincon if you're town. Mafia can advance their win condition in IML by getting themselves hammered ASAP once they're caught to reduce discussion time. So that's out, and actually makes me wonder if Robik betrayed his ownership of excess game state information with that comment. (I'm pretty sure he didn't, because Robik isn't careless as mafia, but hey, it could happen.)

I have no idea what GB was thinking. I kinda wish you hadn't raised that possibility until he answered, though, because it's gonna be really difficult for me not to roll my eyes and say "yeah, sure, you're not just taking the answer HTS gave you" if that's his actual reason.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 19:35 GMT

#912

Oh, unless you mean GB was town martyring and got cold feet because it's going against wincon. In which case sure, maybe.

I really want his answer before we discuss this further though.