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Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 03:48 GMT

#624

Holy shit stop catching up and answer my question. You'll probably ignore it when you get to it too

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 03:50 GMT

#625

Swear to god I will make this thread unreadable by quoting myself one hundred times if he responds to something after the timestamp on my question

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 03:55 GMT

#628

liancourt for the love of christ stop doing catchup posts like this. just catch up in one giant post. good god

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 03:55 GMT

#629

On January 27 2015 12:54 Onegu wrote:
Eden that was uncalled for

It was. I'm mad. This guy needs to quit ignoring my damn posts.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 04:03 GMT

#632

Oh my fucking god why are you not replying to anything happening right now. Holy shit.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 04:24 GMT

#638

On January 27 2015 13:17 liancourt wrote:

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On January 27 2015 04:22 Toadesstern wrote:

On January 27 2015 04:15 Eden1892 wrote:

On January 27 2015 04:11 Toadesstern wrote:

On January 27 2015 04:05 Eden1892 wrote:

On January 26 2015 13:04 Eden1892 wrote:
Coming-down-Magic was fun but not for why you'd think it would be.

Anyway I am back and I ?hope? of sound mind and judgment.

I feel like my liancourt read was still pretty coherent. Maybe not in execu-- no, definitely not in execution, but at least in the logic. Let me try to explain it with a little more clarity of mind.

My play style was different from both games he's seen from me, and I was mafia in one and town in the other. At the very least he's obscuring the truth by citing Imperial as the inspiration for his read without making any mention of the fact that my play is different from the time he saw me play mafiasided. I feel like a townie would make mention of this and try to give the other player a fair shake instead of simply going "different from this town game therefore mafia!" while ignoring the equally-important "different from this mafia game therefore ???"

I also kinda felt like it was a cheap shot trying this kind of obscurantist read while I wasn't quite at full mental capacity, but to be fair it's not his fault that I decided to try new alcohol right before he gave his reads. Idk maybe it's unfair to hold that to him, but I felt like it was more sinister than a misunderstanding or error.

I agree in that liancourt feels like he is picking his target and once he has picked that he's writing something about them (because he has to) rather than going with the flow. It should be the other way around, you find something weird and you talk about it no matter who it is, especially early on into d1.

Is he usually the kind of guy that locks on his target and just goes at it?

hts says so, i've only played one game with him where he was town and i was mafia, and he locked onto me. but idk if he just does it in general or was zeroed in on me because i was obvious LOL

my issue is less that he's zeroed in on me and refusing to budge or explain himself, because townies and mafia both tunnel on targets all the time. my issue is the reasoning he's using, which i feel like doesn't come from the position of someone who doesn't have the truth and is trying to figure it out, but instead from the position of someone who does have the truth and is trying to obscure it from the others

though if he's tunneling he has confirmation bias by definition. If that's what he's doing it's likely he might ignore the parts you're blaming him for simply because he's certain you're mafia and looking at it only one way: Try to point out things that don't fit with your townmeta because you're mafia anyways

Both what you said and what I said come down to the same thing I feel. It could very well be malicious just the way I think locking on to just one target could be something malicious because that way he doesn't have to make up stuff about a lot of people and can just focus on one guy. But if he does tunnel a lot that's a moot point.

i actually looked up what confirmation bias was I loled.

i do admit i have confirmation bias. In carol i had this, i ignored everything HF said because he was clearly obvious scum and anything he says will try to sway me otherwise. It's also the reason why I'm ignoring his posts right now, even more so because he is OMGUSing me. I'm calling him scum, he's calling me scum. I won't agree to him calling me scum, and he certainly won't agree with me calling him scum. It's like that time in voice mafia when everyone rolled scum and the 4 ppl were trying to convince each other that the other pair was scum and what not...it was like watching a brick wall talking to a brick wall.

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I will probably policy d1 you in every single game we ever play together until you learn that this is a terrible way to play the game.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 04:26 GMT

#639

Like you just acknowledged that you, like any other human being, succumb at times to confirmation bias, and then you say "and therefore that's why I ignore posts from people I suspect," as though it's going to help you overcome confirmation bias. Holy shit.

Is this actually happening? I'm not having some absurdist nightmare, right? Because if I'm dreaming of TL that's a whole different problem and I refuse to believe an actual honest to god thinking human being can sincerely think this makes sense in his head

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 04:38 GMT

#640

What's really pissing me off is that there's no way liancourt is mafia and this stupidly aggravating. Thinking this through rationally I can't honestly say he's mafia. I want to lynch him anyway and god fucking forbid if we get to MYLO/LYLO and he's still in here with me. I wish I were a dayvig so I could shoot him and move on. Yeah I'm fucking mad.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Onegu

For not realizing the above about liancourt without the anger johns to justify it

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 04:56 GMT

#642

read the fucking game. holy shit. read up ONE POST FROM YOURS

god fuck

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:04 GMT

#643

i'm turning into old robik. somebody help me

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:16 GMT

#645

he's town though. no mafia does this

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:20 GMT

#648

townies do stupid shit and say nothing useful in their posts all the time

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:34 GMT

#656

On January 27 2015 14:23 liancourt wrote:
@eden

Didn't I say I was co mod for imperial and you played a great d1 in that game. IMO you aren't playing like that in this game. I'm comparing your town to this game. And you aren't playing like town.

In new years where u were scum the game state was much different and the thread itself was stale most of the time. Comparing filter sizes seems irrelevant. The game state currently is much more active in this game thus naturally has more posts. I don't think the argument of comparing filter sizes is valid in your defense.

I welcome the change in perspective eden. Why do you think onegu is scum? I think he's scum because he just sheeped you after coming into the thread. He doesn't really have any original reads. He posted a list post of well townies and nulls. I have no idea on his meta so if someone can enlighten me that'd be great.

my d1 was trash
my n1 was ok

why don't you actually read my posts and stop tunneling like a donkey? you are playing so antitown right now by continuing to antagonize me for no reason

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:40 GMT

#660

On January 27 2015 14:35 liancourt wrote:

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I'm willing to listen to him because you are more scummy than he is right now and he took off his tunnel vision glasses off. And I sensed genuine anger from eden when i ignored his posts. I've seen mafia fake anger but it kinda felt genuine to me so I'll take a step back and look at you.

i wasn't tunneling on you

if you're honestly of the opinion that your play didn't deserve a vote i don't know what to say to you

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:41 GMT

#662

whatever i'm ignoring everything he posts forever
confirmed VI in my mind

when i'm not incredibly fucking mad i'll maybe try to string something coherent together about onegu, suffice to say though that i didn't like onegu's reaction to liancourt and i didn't remember him having any original contributions to the thread that i liked before his reaction to liancourt

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:42 GMT

#663

but honest to god please never play with me again. this is infuriating beyond belief. i'm kind of ashamed of myself for getting so mad

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:45 GMT

#668

On January 27 2015 14:43 liancourt wrote:

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I'm not antagonizing you I'm saying give me reasons on why you think onegu is scum.

i gave the summary. you'd get more concrete reasons if you didn't piss me off to the point where i can't think clearly by intentionally ignoring me

and don't even pretend you weren't antagonizing me, you outright said you were ignoring my attempts to work with you

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:47 GMT

#669

On January 27 2015 14:44 Onegu wrote:
Eden how are you not seeing this, if you have meta together why would antagonize you like this as town, it's only a scum strat to piss you off so much...

because outside of being petty and ignoring me i'm not convinced he was trying to

and i don't think his purpose in ignoring me was to piss me off so much as it was a probably-amusing-for-him byproduct

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:52 GMT

#671

On January 27 2015 11:56 Eden1892 wrote:
Someone save me from this tunnel if I'm wrong but this guy doubled down on a bad read with even more terrible reasoning than before and didn't even have the courtesy to answer some simple questions that might give me an opportunity to reconsider just lynching him for making no sense. You can ask people who played Imperial if you don't know this, but I'm pretty reasonable with people I suspect and I make it a point to give them a fair outing. If liancourt isn't gonna play ball then fuck him

##VOTE: liancourt

ignoring my questions is choosing not to work with me. if you actually read any of the game you gm'd then you would know this

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 05:54 GMT

#672

this is what's so infuriating. you have an alleged scum read on me due to "meta," but it's obvious from your posts that you aren't even looking at the game YOU HOSTED where i was town. you never considered it when you gave your "meta" read on me, your reaction to my attempts to question you was exactly the wrong response that anyone should take away from my play in that town game.

just what are you doing??

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