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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:04 GMT
#373
I'll break it down for everyone else. Here are things we know.

1. In Imperial, Vivax was wrong about literally everything apart from his scumread on me in later days. He pushed jat (towniest guy), he pushed sl (towniest guy), and Vivax was the only person to side with ritoky over Robik during the cop claim shenannies. In short, Vivax could not have been more wrong that game if he tried.

2. Even at the end, and this is important, Vivax had me as mafia in a team with Kelsier and LM. All his connections were wrong and incorrect.

3. What else can we note about Imperial? Go and take a browse through the first few pages of his filter. Does Vivax, at any point, push theories of multiple mafia together and confidently declare them mafia?. The answer is no. That's not how Vivax played that game, he came out the game pushing and prodding at people.

4. So why in this game, when in the previous game it was shown to him that all his connection theories were incorrect, and given he didn't start the game like this, why is he trying to put together the full team? That doesn't add up.

5. Why does Vivax repeatedly push me on my vote on HtS when it was clearly a mistake (as evidenced by my reaction at the time and subsequent explanations). Why does Vivax repeatedly ignore these clarifications? Why does he keep pushing me on this alone?

6. Vivax expects me to jump on HF for his scumread at me at that point, when it was clear that HF said it was because if I did nothing, I was going to be mafia. Later HF said he was undecided on me, because i'd posted some and I guess it looked ok.

Executive Summary
Vivax is pushing the idea that he can name the full scumteam, even though the previous game showed decisively that he cannot do this, and it's a mistake to try.
Vivax did not play Imperial like this, he came out in a different fashion.
Vivax is pushing a lie.

So Vivax is mafia. QED.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:13 GMT
#375
You're the one that keeps bringing it up to push me, shouldn't you know?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:20 GMT
#382
On January 20 2015 21:19 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
5. Why does Vivax repeatedly push me on my vote on HtS when it was clearly a mistake (as evidenced by my reaction at the time and subsequent explanations). Why does Vivax repeatedly ignore these clarifications? Why does he keep pushing me on this alone?

I have a hard time seeing the mafia motivation to do this.

I explained earlier, he's trying to replicate his retard town meta.

Despite the fact he's not playing this game anything like how he plays town. As I explained already.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:22 GMT
#385
On January 20 2015 21:20 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
I think it's fascinating how sicklucker jumps on the marvtrain right at the start.

And yet calls lian "super scummy" for his policy lynch attempt on him.

Interesting.


your not a policy lynch tho. Your a policy pressure. Theres a big difference in my mind.

Then it's time to remove your vote and do something, anything, useful.

Like voting for actual mafia, Vivax.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:24 GMT
#386
On January 20 2015 21:22 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 21:20 marvellosity wrote:
On January 20 2015 21:19 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
5. Why does Vivax repeatedly push me on my vote on HtS when it was clearly a mistake (as evidenced by my reaction at the time and subsequent explanations). Why does Vivax repeatedly ignore these clarifications? Why does he keep pushing me on this alone?

I have a hard time seeing the mafia motivation to do this.

I explained earlier, he's trying to replicate his retard town meta.

Despite the fact he's not playing this game anything like how he plays town. As I explained already.

I will have to check but even if you are right you are still attacking the most controversial and active player in this game. You usually don't do this.

I had neither been controversial nor active about 2 hours ago. I'd been pretty quiet.

Vivax KNOWS he gets townread for looking like a tunnelly, moronic, arse.

He references it in Imperial repeatedly - how I should be townreading him for his insane play. Well... look what he's trying to pull off here.

Except there are notable differences, as I've elaborated upon.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:26 GMT
#389
whatever. what i said stands.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:26 GMT
#391
Vivax - answer me this - why are you trying to connection the whole scumteam when Imperial conclusively showed that it is a big mistake to do that?

You need to answer me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:29 GMT
#394
On January 20 2015 21:29 sicklucker wrote:
I think vivax is bleeding town and playing the same as last game. That doesint mean hes right here tho...

I literally explained how he is not playing the same.

Are you unable to read?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:31 GMT
#398
Vivax is calling me "100% mafia" when the only reason he had is a lie.

What a pro.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:33 GMT
#402
No, it's not purely on meta arguments, it's the fact you're pushing a lie.

Do you even think about what you're writing? lol
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:35 GMT
#404
You'd have to explain very, very clearly exactly what you agreed with.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:36 GMT
#405
On January 20 2015 21:26 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax - answer me this - why are you trying to connection the whole scumteam when Imperial conclusively showed that it is a big mistake to do that?

You need to answer me.

Not answered yet. Please answer.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:38 GMT
#407
I don't care what you do, sl, you're probably mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:41 GMT
#411
On January 20 2015 21:40 sicklucker wrote:
Like im trying to defend you here marv. Whatever ill stop!

no, you're totally mischaracterising my push on Vivax. It's, at best, awful of you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:49 GMT
#416
On January 20 2015 21:48 Vivax wrote:
Marv. I want to do a quick theory time.

Let's say you're really town, and I know I'm really town. But right now after I posted my theory you just went into full OMGUS mode.

HF called you scum on an occasion, and Damdred sheeped HF to get off of you, maybe cause he was wafraid of pushing you.

Kelsier atm is on the sidelines and siding with you, he's not really trying to find scum though I feel.

How do you feel about a HF, Kelsier, Damdred scumteam?

On January 20 2015 21:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 21:26 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax - answer me this - why are you trying to connection the whole scumteam when Imperial conclusively showed that it is a big mistake to do that?

You need to answer me.

Not answered yet. Please answer.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:52 GMT
#420
On January 18 2015 00:27 Palmar wrote:
Also I don't understand why people are so resistant to advice. I am not a great mafia player, but I have played more than just about anyone here (maybe with VE as an exception). When I say shit, it's not because I like spouting random nonsense, it's because trial and error, in addition with what I learned from people who played before, has taught me that despite anecdotal evidence (hey look, this worked once), there are certain things that are generally good or bad to do. Some examples:

  • Don't voteswitch in the last few hours of the day. Have the lynch lined up at least 4 hours prior and an alternative in case the target goes balls to the walls town on us all.
  • Don't fakeclaim as town. Do your best to be a target for mafia if you're vanilla. Make them fear you to protect the blues. Don't try to wifom a shot out of them because it fucks with other townies even more.
  • Don't make associative reads. You do not know what the mafia wants to do, you're literally handing them weapons to use against you if you allow their actions to control your reads.
  • Don't use meta unless you absolutely know what you're doing. Generally only use meta on people you know extremely well, and only trust meta when it focuses on overall style, not specific things.


There's probably a ton more. I keep saying these things, and we keep failing on them.

Like if Vivax is town, he's literally making newbie mistake 101. Any good coach will tell newbies not to try to make elaborate connections. Especially on day 1.

Following a game where it was showed to conclusively fail!

w
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[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:55 GMT
#422
HF is saying I am probable mafia at that point because I hadn't done anything. It's all in the thread, Vivax.

Also, see my last post.

You insanely, insanely bad player, if you're town right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:57 GMT
#425
On January 20 2015 21:56 Vivax wrote:
Taking a break for real now.
Anyway, I'm not scum. And marv attacked me like a rabid dog contrary to Imperial where just said I was just being a nutjob so I think I'll retract my scumread on him now.

now we make some progress.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:58 GMT
#427
no, it's asking a hypothetical.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 13:02 GMT
#430
For the sake of togetherness, love, and peace:

##Unvote
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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