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Vivax
22427 Posts
Marv, SL, KSc, Damdred KSc trying so hard to prove SL's claim as false during D2 could be cause he perceived it to be scummier than it looks. Then when he managed to prove it was false, I started attacking SL and KSc didn't give two fucks about anything I wrote on SL, instead he started attacking me. His SL scumread *poof* vanished, instead I became scum while pushing his former scumread he disproved to be the cop. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:08 Vivax wrote: Also Chezinu is town, the points he brought up about Dam's defensiveness and what appears to be a ritoky chainsaw defense are good, and he's actually rereading D1. Scum CHez would never bother with that shit what was ritoky chainsaw defending me from? A joke vote from geript? | ||
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Vivax
22427 Posts
But I can't ignore the possibility you're scum for the marv + you interactions and what Chez showed us. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:13 Vivax wrote: Damdred, chillax as you're the last I wanna lynch of the pile and you're interchangeable with GB just for the fact DP scumread him. And DP is crazy good town. But I can't ignore the possibility you're scum for the marv + you interactions and what Chez showed us. No answer my question, you just said rit chainsaw defended me with what chez shows which is total misrepresentation of what happened in the thread. I made the joke post, geript joke voted me we had a back and forth, eden was perplexed geript townread me. DrH entered much later and talked about policy for lynching liars like people who fake claim cop, ritoky then came in and then threw up my post. So explain how he chainsaw defended me | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On January 14 2015 10:56 KelsierSC wrote: Artanis what does your heart tell you right now I think out of the suspects I've named you're the least likely to be scum as the main reason for scumreading you is your disappearance and a few minor things throughout the game. It's also a bit of PoE. I know I don't want to lynch Marv today because 36 page filter and he cares about not getting lynched which he hasn't in his last few games. I know I don't want to lynch Damdred today because he doesn't make sense to be scum with two of my other suspects and there's things I've pointed out before. He was also quite persistent in our argument about his LM read changing in strength. It was an annoying but ultimately acceptable defense. Reasons I want to lynch Palmar have been scattered throughout the thread. Main reasons are I can think of a fair scum narrative for his play and the town narrative is more difficult to understand. His play has been erratic; not good and not bad, which exactly fits his scum meta. He's also been busy with lists rather than making keen observations, which he's only done a few times (and occasionally rescinded). Palmar also made this case on GB that smelled like someone whom had an initial idea for a case but couldn't find enough evidence to support what he wanted to, so he modified it over something that was actually quite trivial. What makes me doubt is that somewhere there's a feel of genuineness in his play and all the mentions about postgame give me the feeling he would actually laugh at me in the postgame and that would make me sad. However, post-game mockery shouldn't be an argument. Reasons I want to lynch GB are, amongst other things that I feel his reasoning has been mostly shallow. Does lots of things on feelings which are easy to fake as they don't require an explanation. He didn't have opinions on the biggest wagons on D2, plus he defended Superbia. Then there was the thing where he claimed if SL was town everyone on Batsnacks was probably town when he still suspected me, which brings me to the point that it feels like he's had too much information. He seemed to know Geript was town when no one did. He seemed to know I was town despite suspecting me. It's troubling. Point in his favour is the case Palmar made on him which also felt like a case of TMI. Should Palmar flip scum, I'd expect GB to be town. Doubly so now that GB has voted for him. LM, well, there's plenty to go around. I'm just going to go and quote Damdred's case. On January 09 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote: I think Lazer is scum, here is my case repeated on him Day 1 he is guilty of the same things he goes hard after chy because of thread sentiment. He moves his target around using thread sentimen He misrepresents things constantly in the thread and back tracks constantly D2 he hard defends a push to lynch Superbia (known mafia now) He states d3 that he thinks ritoky is the cop and won't lycn an un cc'd cop but his vote is on him anyway He states during the day that Super looks bad but shouldn't be the lynch. Right before he leaves he parks his vote on Superbia, with his main scum read whos been vocal about wanting a super bia lynch. I think his vote looks more like a bus and hes mafia to me. He has stepped it up in the past two days, but then instead of voting for his main scumread, GB, he parked his vote on Marv. Problem with his lynch is that lots of unconfirmeds are voting him. So out of all this, I think my preferred lynch is still Palmar. Feel free to debate it though. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
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Vivax
22427 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:15 Damdred wrote: No answer my question, you just said rit chainsaw defended me with what chez shows which is total misrepresentation of what happened in the thread. I made the joke post, geript joke voted me we had a back and forth, eden was perplexed geript townread me. DrH entered much later and talked about policy for lynching liars like people who fake claim cop, ritoky then came in and then threw up my post. So explain how he chainsaw defended me You appear defensive about geript voting you. Chez looekd to me like he was pointing that out. THen ritoky comes in and attacks DrH cause he didn't scumread you. So yes, chainsaw defense is the wrong word as ritoky actually didn't defend you. Jeez I just wrote bullshit. Nevermind that, I'm writing faster than I think now as I'm adapting to the new information. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
His wagon was easily formed and from that wagon, I HATED how KSC easily jumped on it. I can't see why Palmar, who said he would lynch damdred, refuses to do so, and parks his vote on LM, WITH MARV, HIS MAIN SCUMREAD, AGAIN (he voted with marv day3). Does it make sense to you? Like, in the risk of being lynched, he decides to NOT VOTE ONE OF HIS SCUMREADS (Damdred) but votes someone he didn't even had a read (LM) with his MAIN SCUMREAD? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:22 GlowingBear wrote: Art, I can understand him parking his vote on marv as I've already explained. His wagon was easily formed and from that wagon, I HATED how KSC easily jumped on it. I can't see why Palmar, who said he would lynch damdred, refuses to do so, and parks his vote on LM, WITH MARV, HIS MAIN SCUMREAD, AGAIN (he voted with marv day3). Does it make sense to you? Like, in the risk of being lynched, he decides to NOT VOTE ONE OF HIS SCUMREADS (Damdred) but votes someone he didn't even had a read (LM) with his MAIN SCUMREAD? But this is Palmar, the guy you relied on to try to get me lynched? Someone who you never had a town read on? I think Palmar is town whos not 100% sure but knows he wants to survive to figure it out. Palmar really shouldn't be lynched to many things point to him bein town, like actually giving a fuck and trying to help town. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
Throughout the game he's been waffling hardcore on Marvellosity. It wasn't until he was on the lynching block, and then even only on the second day that he truly went after Marv after a series of weird interactions. Suddenly, he decided Marv was scum when he was still undecided the day before and nothing had happened in between. His cases on both GB and Damdred fit into the lazy 5-7 score play that Mafia Palmar usually goes for. He figured he made his point, decided upon an alignment and called it a day without looking further. I think it's likely that a town Palmar would put in more effort to discern people's alignments than that. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:20 Vivax wrote: You appear defensive about geript voting you. Chez looekd to me like he was pointing that out. THen ritoky comes in and attacks DrH cause he didn't scumread you. So yes, chainsaw defense is the wrong word as ritoky actually didn't defend you. Jeez I just wrote bullshit. Nevermind that, I'm writing faster than I think now as I'm adapting to the new information. I'd have to ask Geript after the game if he got the follow up posts were going back to our past mega run ins when we tunneled each other to death all the time. But I think they did, I love geript but we butt heads a ton. and ok, i can understand that. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:22 GlowingBear wrote: Art, I can understand him parking his vote on marv as I've already explained. His wagon was easily formed and from that wagon, I HATED how KSC easily jumped on it. I can't see why Palmar, who said he would lynch damdred, refuses to do so, and parks his vote on LM, WITH MARV, HIS MAIN SCUMREAD, AGAIN (he voted with marv day3). Does it make sense to you? Like, in the risk of being lynched, he decides to NOT VOTE ONE OF HIS SCUMREADS (Damdred) but votes someone he didn't even had a read (LM) with his MAIN SCUMREAD? I can see a scum Palmar and Damdred team for sure. Their relationship has been odd at best. Palmar's had a lot of odd relationships this game. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:24 Damdred wrote: But this is Palmar, the guy you relied on to try to get me lynched? Someone who you never had a town read on? I think Palmar is town whos not 100% sure but knows he wants to survive to figure it out. Palmar really shouldn't be lynched to many things point to him bein town, like actually giving a fuck and trying to help town. Yes, because I thought he stepped up today. I was starting to townread him until he decided to not lynch you. Him not lynching you, damdy, doesn't make sense. Unless you're both mafia together. Which makes PERFECT sense. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I forgot two more points on Palmar: Throughout the game he's been waffling hardcore on Marvellosity. It wasn't until he was on the lynching block, and then even only on the second day that he truly went after Marv after a series of weird interactions. Suddenly, he decided Marv was scum when he was still undecided the day before and nothing had happened in between. His cases on both GB and Damdred fit into the lazy 5-7 score play that Mafia Palmar usually goes for. He figured he made his point, decided upon an alignment and called it a day without looking further. I think it's likely that a town Palmar would put in more effort to discern people's alignments than that. But would mafia!Palmar sit back when hes up for lynch and can get Damdred out and go ok, maybe we can work together. And ask me for reads, and decide not to go for me? Would he re-evaluate like that? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:27 Damdred wrote: But would mafia!Palmar sit back when hes up for lynch and can get Damdred out and go ok, maybe we can work together. And ask me for reads, and decide not to go for me? Would he re-evaluate like that? If you're scum with him, yes. If you're town, it seems the lynch on you never really took off. Even if he jumped on you, there were a few other people reading him town. If Palmar is scum and you're town the people who called you town are probably town too as that would motivate him not to try and risk exposing his team. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Palmar screwed up when he voted LM. Pratically a scum claim. And when he flips scum, Damdred is obvious scum, as I've being saying throghout this day. Just Fucking Lynch Palmar. | ||
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Vivax
22427 Posts
Although the information argument would be tempting, but I prefer to sheep DP than lynch a guy for information. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:11 Vivax wrote: I want to lynch following people now: Marv, SL, KSc, Damdred KSc trying so hard to prove SL's claim as false during D2 could be cause he perceived it to be scummier than it looks. Then when he managed to prove it was false, I started attacking SL and KSc didn't give two fucks about anything I wrote on SL, instead he started attacking me. His SL scumread *poof* vanished, instead I became scum while pushing his former scumread he disproved to be the cop. HOW ARE WE EVER THE SAME WHEN HE TRICKS ME TO CLAIM. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote: Like, this is damning. Palmar screwed up when he voted LM. Pratically a scum claim. And when he flips scum, Damdred is obvious scum, as I've being saying throghout this day. Just Fucking Lynch Palmar. And if he flips town what then? You can't even articulate why i'm actually scum without some weird associative reads. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:30 Vivax wrote: Artanis, I'd lynch GB before I lynch Palmar at this point. Although the information argument would be tempting, but I prefer to sheep DP than lynch a guy for information. I think Palmar is a better case than GB. I also don't think Palmar and GB can be scum together. What don't you like about my case? What do you disagree with? | ||
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