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On January 01 2015 06:47 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? Crackpot theory
Nice to see you pop by to have as little impact as possible
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So far your most damning points are that he appears to have changed his meta. But iirc he has ~300 posts. Meta changing for a newer player isn't odd at all. Your still not making my dick hard dr h.
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Can you explain why he said he was fine with me and thought I was doing good scumhunting when he voted for me and tried to get the thread to turn? Then he says it wasnt serious and omgus votes someone else. If we were both town in a game and i tunneled you relentlessly would you be fine with it and say i was doing a good job?
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After a failed omgus no less. He has four straight. You're his scumpartner.
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Okay now that we have DrH's thoughts I will share my thoughts:
First TheChyz posts this:
On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey
In this post TheChyz is giving koshi a town read. This is important for later, remember this. He is town reading koshi because he thinks scum koshi doesn't benefit from defending him.
He earns town points for saying this:
On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being.
On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him.
Then later he posts this:
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
In this post he is scum reading koshi for exactly the same thing he town read koshi for earlier. He just changed his mind. Why? This is why:
Town points:
On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
So this is really scummy imo. First he says he town reads koshi for defending him, then he says he scum reads koshi for defending him. I think this is evidence that he is giving out reads to appear townie, not to solve the game.
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So tldr; artanis liked that TheChyz said koshi was suspicious at first, so TheChyz changed his read on koshi from town to scum.
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I feel like that doesn't make as much sense as I wanted it to so you might have to read it twice.
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Batsnacks just keeps providing new ideas noone ever had. So impressive.
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On January 01 2015 07:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Batsnacks just keeps providing new ideas noone ever had. So impressive.
bitch pls
I was the first person to point that out.
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Geript doesn't seem to be taking the thread very seriously which makes me think he may be town. Reading his meta it looks like he puts on an effort to appear very productive and focused as mafia.
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On January 01 2015 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Can you explain why he said he was fine with me and thought I was doing good scumhunting when he voted for me and tried to get the thread to turn? Then he says it wasnt serious and omgus votes someone else. If we were both town in a game and i tunneled you relentlessly would you be fine with it and say i was doing a good job?
Sure. He can be a newb. He can be mafia. He can just be not very good at mafia. He can be exceptionally easily swayed by the fact that people think he's mafia but is town so they therefore must be mafia. I don't particularly care. I'm not saying that there aren't points that you've made that are scummy or wholly invalid. But when you look at the case of work that he's put out and the facts: he's newer, he's been reasonably uninhibited about posting, he's been under a tunnel for 90% of the game, etc. You're not going to find conclusive evidence there. You need to actually give him time so that people can actually form a valid read on him. I mean, I remember in one of the last games we played together I was in a similar situation. Everyone read me as scummy. I couldn't stop doing scummy things because I had no clue how to not do scummy things. So I just tried to post what I thought when I thought it. Hey btw, I was town and I'm not sure there was a vote on anyone but me that day. Seriously dude, get your head out of your ass.
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On January 01 2015 07:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript doesn't seem to be taking the thread very seriously which makes me think he may be town. Reading his meta it looks like he puts on an effort to appear very productive and focused as mafia.
That's a shitty version of meta and you know it.
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So we should ignore newer players? He seemed pretty confident and able to deal with heat in his last game. Plus at the time it was only me, I think only one or two people have agreed to vote with me by this point. It doesn't add up. If you think we should policy ignore newbs or something okay - I don't. I believe in trial by fire, you know that. We'll see what other people have to say about it. How about you offer a better lynch?
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On January 01 2015 07:16 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 07:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript doesn't seem to be taking the thread very seriously which makes me think he may be town. Reading his meta it looks like he puts on an effort to appear very productive and focused as mafia. That's a shitty version of meta and you know it.
I should have known better than to talk to you at all in this game. Someone else can sort you out
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mafia waiting to see if thechyz case deflates before they post
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On January 01 2015 07:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So we should ignore newer players? He seemed pretty confident and able to deal with heat in his last game. Plus at the time it was only me, I think only one or two people have agreed to vote with me by this point. It doesn't add up. If you think we should policy ignore newbs or something okay - I don't. I believe in trial by fire, you know that. We'll see what other people have to say about it. How about you offer a better lynch?
No I don't think we should ignore newer players. I do think that to get a correct read on them you often need to give them slack and let them hang themselves (or others) with it rather than wrap the noose tight around their necks. I'm fine with trial by fire. But there are productive ways to do that and unproductive ways to do that. Your tunnel is the latter.
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On January 01 2015 07:07 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 07:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Batsnacks just keeps providing new ideas noone ever had. So impressive. bitch pls I was the first person to point that out.
On January 01 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
it's not like he would think "oh if i keep koshi on my side that will save me" just hours into the game with 1 vote on him and be paralyzed to join the thread in shitting on koshi to get himself easier credibility True. Also someone had already said how towny it would be to go against your own defender before he did so if I remember that correctly.
bitch pls
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On January 01 2015 07:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 07:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So we should ignore newer players? He seemed pretty confident and able to deal with heat in his last game. Plus at the time it was only me, I think only one or two people have agreed to vote with me by this point. It doesn't add up. If you think we should policy ignore newbs or something okay - I don't. I believe in trial by fire, you know that. We'll see what other people have to say about it. How about you offer a better lynch? No I don't think we should ignore newer players. I do think that to get a correct read on them you often need to give them slack and let them hang themselves (or others) with it rather than wrap the noose tight around their necks. I'm fine with trial by fire. But there are productive ways to do that and unproductive ways to do that. Your tunnel is the latter.
Do you still think what I posted is a crackpot theory?
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On January 01 2015 07:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 07:07 batsnacks wrote:On January 01 2015 07:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Batsnacks just keeps providing new ideas noone ever had. So impressive. bitch pls I was the first person to point that out. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On January 01 2015 06:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
it's not like he would think "oh if i keep koshi on my side that will save me" just hours into the game with 1 vote on him and be paralyzed to join the thread in shitting on koshi to get himself easier credibility True. Also someone had already said how towny it would be to go against your own defender before he did so if I remember that correctly. bitch pls
BITCH
Mine was prettier.
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On January 01 2015 07:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 07:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So we should ignore newer players? He seemed pretty confident and able to deal with heat in his last game. Plus at the time it was only me, I think only one or two people have agreed to vote with me by this point. It doesn't add up. If you think we should policy ignore newbs or something okay - I don't. I believe in trial by fire, you know that. We'll see what other people have to say about it. How about you offer a better lynch? No I don't think we should ignore newer players. I do think that to get a correct read on them you often need to give them slack and let them hang themselves (or others) with it rather than wrap the noose tight around their necks. I'm fine with trial by fire. But there are productive ways to do that and unproductive ways to do that. Your tunnel is the latter.
He already proved himself scum to me. Id day shoot him this instant if it was that kind of game. I don't need any more time
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