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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 09 2014 23:38 GMT
#980
On December 10 2014 08:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Hey I'm here to interact. Gonna read the game later today.

Who's here to talk?


Hi gb you said I was scummy but I didn't care.

Should I?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 09 2014 23:43 GMT
#984
On December 10 2014 08:35 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky I'm pretty sure someone asked FF for reads on those specific people.


oh i guess kita did, missed that; doesn't change that i think the reads are crap lol.


Maybe you could add to your case that FF responding to kitaman in the way he did is not consistent with his "idgaf" attitude toward others. If FF doesn't have strong reads, wouldn't it be more consistent of him to just say "fuck off" rather than spending so much time writing weak reads?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 09 2014 23:44 GMT
#988
On December 10 2014 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 08:43 batsnacks wrote:
On December 10 2014 08:35 ritoky wrote:
On December 10 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky I'm pretty sure someone asked FF for reads on those specific people.


oh i guess kita did, missed that; doesn't change that i think the reads are crap lol.


Maybe you could add to your case that FF responding to kitaman in the way he did is not consistent with his "idgaf" attitude toward others. If FF doesn't have strong reads, wouldn't it be more consistent of him to just say "fuck off" rather than spending so much time writing weak reads?

you and damdred told me to play.
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
We need FF to join to have a full lurker game, including the host


You were on my no lynch list FF. This is more about ritoky for me.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 09 2014 23:45 GMT
#990
On December 10 2014 08:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Right so i asked hf to explain how you made a contradiction, he explained it well. I got a town read off him.

I'm curious that you call my play "one liners "
considering all my reads have been well explained. Is there a read i didn't explain enough for you.

you said something like "he needs to learn how to read me" that is really scummy, how have you projected town, what have you done that allows him to read you perfectly. . It strikes me as fake indignation that anyone can find you scum


There's like 9 people voting her. It would appear that more than just koshi needs to learn to read her if she's town.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 09 2014 23:54 GMT
#1002
On December 10 2014 08:49 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 08:43 batsnacks wrote:
On December 10 2014 08:35 ritoky wrote:
On December 10 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky I'm pretty sure someone asked FF for reads on those specific people.


oh i guess kita did, missed that; doesn't change that i think the reads are crap lol.


Maybe you could add to your case that FF responding to kitaman in the way he did is not consistent with his "idgaf" attitude toward others. If FF doesn't have strong reads, wouldn't it be more consistent of him to just say "fuck off" rather than spending so much time writing weak reads?


i think it's more townie of him to respond directly to kita. why he takes kita seriously and not me is a good question. the quality of his reads is bad and i don't like them in the slightest so that is scummy. and the fact that he devoted so much time to null reads on people when he can't muster his strong reads anywhere else leans scummy to me as well. so overall it nets out as scum leaning to me which just reinforced my feelings.

why he is on your no-lynch section is beyond me, i would like justification


That first sentence contradicts the rest of the sentences I think. Why is it more townie of him to respond directly to kita and not to you again?

I put FF on my no lynch list because I remember pretty much all his posts and I think the less memorable people are better to focus on right now.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 09 2014 23:58 GMT
#1006
On December 10 2014 08:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 08:52 KelsierSC wrote:
So rather than convince us your town, as you said is what you have to-do, you aren't going to bother and just "claim" right now, good job


No I'm gonna try and convince yall I'm town, but it seems as if no one is listening to me anyway, so I might just have to claim.

What did you think about my read on Vivax? More specifically, what is your read?

Also, you mentioned earlier in the game about a read on Slam. You found it stupid there were people calling him town.
What is your read on him as of this page?


This "claim" stuff is garbage. You've already pretty much claimed a role just by saying it twice now and you haven't even tried to convince people.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 00:07 GMT
#1023
On December 10 2014 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Defense of CHUPAZI!!

Why not lynch LS kusplain me this


On December 09 2014 22:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:15 rsoultin wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 16:23 ritoky wrote:
On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back and here my current reads
Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF
Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky
Scum: sicklucker
sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early
I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on
HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that.
As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.


I am really interested in that read in particular. Please explain it. Also, don't really like how you devote 0 space to your town reads and all of your space to null and scum reads.

What's even stranger is that one of your town reads voted on another of your town reads right here:

On December 09 2014 12:37 rsoultin wrote:
On December 09 2014 12:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On December 09 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote:
You should hop on bunnies after reading my filter and be led to great victory


Oh my.


##vote ObiWanShinobi

Oh crap. As in that post was complete crap.


and your response to it?

On December 09 2014 12:44 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way guys the votes go in the voting thread silly people
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472995-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells-voting-thread


you were here and actively responding to the thread and you tell him where to vote properly? why didn't you ask further into why he is reading him that way? especially when you have the OPPOSITE read for unexplained reasons. this just looks kinda fishy....i smell something funky brewing here boyz. your sicklucker read is on a guy who claimed his role and you didn't really state why you disbelieve his claim, then you waste time talking about null reads, then you give a bunch of unexplained town reads; many of which i am completely unclear on.

i really am not liking this guy.

OWS behavior is very similar to the game he was town when I was playing him on Campus Mafia when he had to replace someone.
I wasn't aiming the 2nd question at anyone particular as I seen people trying to vote in this thread instead of the voting thread that was all.
sicklucker been posting a lot more fluff than any games I played with him and he normally do some funky shenanigans to force people to make early reads awkward at best.
Also I looked at your town games FF and we played on Campus as town together that why I got a town read on you.



LS, bud, you're gonna make me push you again. Why you reading other games and not this thread? Plug in or butt out.

I been reading this game and other games because like half the people I not played with before and also I am town this game I will role claim if I have to.


(Campus Mafia)
On November 05 2014 05:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Fine I will tell you my role since I going to get lynched anyway I am a Town Detective so if you lynch me oh well gl finding them without direct help.

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 00:11 GMT
#1034
On December 10 2014 09:10 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 09:07 batsnacks wrote:
On December 10 2014 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Defense of CHUPAZI!!

Why not lynch LS kusplain me this


On December 09 2014 22:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:15 rsoultin wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 16:23 ritoky wrote:
On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back and here my current reads
Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF
Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky
Scum: sicklucker
sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early
I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on
HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that.
As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.


I am really interested in that read in particular. Please explain it. Also, don't really like how you devote 0 space to your town reads and all of your space to null and scum reads.

What's even stranger is that one of your town reads voted on another of your town reads right here:

On December 09 2014 12:37 rsoultin wrote:
On December 09 2014 12:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On December 09 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote:
You should hop on bunnies after reading my filter and be led to great victory


Oh my.


##vote ObiWanShinobi

Oh crap. As in that post was complete crap.


and your response to it?

On December 09 2014 12:44 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way guys the votes go in the voting thread silly people
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472995-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells-voting-thread


you were here and actively responding to the thread and you tell him where to vote properly? why didn't you ask further into why he is reading him that way? especially when you have the OPPOSITE read for unexplained reasons. this just looks kinda fishy....i smell something funky brewing here boyz. your sicklucker read is on a guy who claimed his role and you didn't really state why you disbelieve his claim, then you waste time talking about null reads, then you give a bunch of unexplained town reads; many of which i am completely unclear on.

i really am not liking this guy.

OWS behavior is very similar to the game he was town when I was playing him on Campus Mafia when he had to replace someone.
I wasn't aiming the 2nd question at anyone particular as I seen people trying to vote in this thread instead of the voting thread that was all.
sicklucker been posting a lot more fluff than any games I played with him and he normally do some funky shenanigans to force people to make early reads awkward at best.
Also I looked at your town games FF and we played on Campus as town together that why I got a town read on you.



LS, bud, you're gonna make me push you again. Why you reading other games and not this thread? Plug in or butt out.

I been reading this game and other games because like half the people I not played with before and also I am town this game I will role claim if I have to.


(Campus Mafia)
On November 05 2014 05:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Fine I will tell you my role since I going to get lynched anyway I am a Town Detective so if you lynch me oh well gl finding them without direct help.


See I did this to a minor extent; I did scummy shit as power roles and got pissitude and got a free pass for a few games

Not gonna work read his filter and tell me he is town


you /= LS

Also, yeah, nb didn't actually claim mason. She's still just posting random crap. So far we've got dates, bras, boobs, funerals, choirs, what will be next?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 00:36 GMT
#1066
On December 10 2014 09:27 Half the Sky wrote:
FF: Looked through your reads and I think you are overseeing why Rasputin has made the points he has on people. You have to also consider why people aren't fighting back. Bats was called out by multiple people, not just Rasputin. As for his push on OWS, he's not posted anything coherent, mostly random things, which is similar to why you had cited Liancourt: random posting. So if you are consistent, there should be nothing wrong with Rasputin pushing OWS.

And regarding meta being anti-town or pro-town, I don't think meta itself is the problem but rather the interpretation of someone else's meta people don't trust. Rasputin is not the only one who disregards meta, LoneMeow has told a few people to disregard meta in their arguments. On the other side of the fence, you have Damdred, LS, etc, using meta to justify some of their arguments. I don't think the use of meta is necessarily alignment indicative, as I've seen it in Student Mafia being used and mis-used for and against people.


I didn't push on OWS, I pushed on LS for blatantly sheeping one of OWS' posts. See here:

(THIS IS OWS POST)

On December 09 2014 11:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 11:30 Damdred wrote:
On December 09 2014 11:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Would lynch sicklucker.


Who else would go to the flaming tree of death this day


Nobody, really. Just sicklucker.

I just don't get the feeling that he's the same kind of over-the-top contributor he is as town. The last game I played with him, his desire to contribute was so unbelievably strong that he wound up posting a ton of shit that incriminated himself for the sake of trying to help town.

Instead, we get this game, where he decides to talk about nonsense and fluff in a game centered around posting restrictions. He's posting just to post, when his modus operandi as town is to contribute until his heart stops.

Normally he's incredibly productive and comes up with tons of fresh ideas and perspective. I'm not getting any of that here. Do not like.


(LS POSTS)

On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Scum: sicklucker
sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early

On December 09 2014 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:
sicklucker been posting a lot more fluff than any games I played with him and he normally do some funky shenanigans to force people to make early reads awkward at best.

On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.

On December 09 2014 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:37 Xatalos wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:30 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:14 LoneMeow wrote:
LightningStrike, a bunch of stuff has happened since you posted your list post with reads, care to share some updated reads with us now?

Well not much of my reads did change as I did read the thread from where we were last night compared to today and it been mostly the same stuff as why I given them their original reads


Didn't you think anything of sicklucker's claim?

I did but it doesn't make sense though the way he acting though and when I played with him he was Vanilla town in the games I played with him when he had these weird shenanigans but I not seeing this game. This doesn't seem be the sicklucker I know.

On December 09 2014 22:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I not buying sicklucker claim because he doesn't seem to be himself on making weird shenanigans early in the game which he does when he was Vanilla Town.



Last game LS was mafia he blatantly, as in almost word for word, sheeped me on several things I said. This reminded me of that.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 21:14 GMT
#1342
On December 10 2014 08:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:

But it looks like I might have to claim just to stay alive. Meh.



Town power role or weird softclaim? How does softing like the ever help town? Either explicitly claim or don't say anything at all.

On December 10 2014 08:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
my college choir singing Christmas Music. This is us singing Carol of the Bells


Weird softclaim or just bunnies posting more irrelevant crap?

On December 10 2014 09:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 09:05 liancourt wrote:
where did ninja claim mason


I didn't.


Looks like the weird softclaim was just more irrelevant crap.

On December 11 2014 05:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Im just a mere disgruntled christmas worker


Why post the stuff above this then?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 21:17 GMT
#1347
On December 11 2014 06:16 froggynoddy wrote:
Though I disagree with sicklucker's conclusions, I don't think that makes him mafia. If he is mafia he gains nothing by attacking you as you are about to be lynched with or without his contributions it seems, in fact if you do flip town it would be a pretty dumb play from his part.


SL's conclusions are literally the only logical conclusions.

Why would town ever unvote bunnies now after the MULTIPLE weird softs earlier?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 21:23 GMT
#1352
On December 11 2014 06:20 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Well if you people knew how to read, youd realize I said id have to claim AFTER i posted the video. The video came first, then me saying i might have to claim came moments after.

Also...srsly.... Did everyone miss this?

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 12:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On December 10 2014 11:49 kitaman27 wrote:
On December 10 2014 11:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Can you guys stop calling me mafia because I work during the day?

I mean really.


^ Found one Disgruntled Christmas Worker


+ Show Spoiler +
Spoiler alert

[image loading]





You softed a town power role twice.

Why does when you did it matter?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 21:26 GMT
#1355
On December 11 2014 06:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 06:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On December 11 2014 06:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Is that really a soft too?

Is there a role you didn't softclaim?


MY VIDEO WASNT A FUCKING SOFT

QUIT READING INTO THINGS THAT ARENT EVEN FUCKING THERE.


seriously

He's paranoid it's normal for him


How is the picture a soft if the video isn't?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 21:27 GMT
#1356
On December 11 2014 06:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 06:23 batsnacks wrote:
On December 11 2014 06:20 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Well if you people knew how to read, youd realize I said id have to claim AFTER i posted the video. The video came first, then me saying i might have to claim came moments after.

Also...srsly.... Did everyone miss this?

On December 10 2014 12:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On December 10 2014 11:49 kitaman27 wrote:
On December 10 2014 11:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Can you guys stop calling me mafia because I work during the day?

I mean really.


^ Found one Disgruntled Christmas Worker


+ Show Spoiler +
Spoiler alert

[image loading]





You softed a town power role twice.

Why does when you did it matter?


If this is how yall play this game, town is gonna completely be fucked over by mafia.

Ithe. Video. wasnt. A. Fucking. Soft.


You think this is my fault? Maybe instead of softing you should actually explicitly say what you mean and not post so much crap?

Then maybe this wouldn't happen?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 21:33 GMT
#1361
On December 11 2014 06:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, theres nothing wrong with having fun.

If I want to post random crap i can.


This isn't your facebook. We're trying to play a game that involves scrutinizing the things you post. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with having fun or being silly, but the things you post are going to get judged.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 21:38 GMT
#1365
On December 11 2014 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 06:26 batsnacks wrote:
On December 11 2014 06:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 11 2014 06:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On December 11 2014 06:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Is that really a soft too?

Is there a role you didn't softclaim?


MY VIDEO WASNT A FUCKING SOFT

QUIT READING INTO THINGS THAT ARENT EVEN FUCKING THERE.


seriously

He's paranoid it's normal for him


How is the picture a soft if the video isn't?

Read the context when the video was posted


There wasn't any context. She just posted a video allegedly for no reason. People were confused and thought there was a reason, considering it was a video of a Christmas choir singing Christmas carols, but people were wrong. No context. No reason for posting the video. It was posted as is.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 21:47 GMT
#1370
Also first you said this:
On December 10 2014 08:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:

But it looks like I might have to claim just to stay alive. Meh.



Which is definitely not the same thing as this:

On December 11 2014 06:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Maybe I wanted mafia to think I was some kind of important role and take a bullet.


You weren't trying to trick mafia. You were leading in votes. You were threatening people who were voting for you.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 22:07 GMT
#1380
On December 11 2014 06:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
So can everyone who keeps saying they're going to read me shit or get off the pot? I swear I've been on everyone's 'to read' list for the whole day.


You could post about this:

On December 10 2014 18:21 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 14:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can I get a cliffnotes on the xatalos read?

This is my post 58 so unless you all start voting me I'm gonna lurk



I could lynch this guy. First posts a large amount of mostly oneliners that aren't pertinent to finding scum, then says he's near the post limit so he's going to lurk. So anti town.

There's also this:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also, to waste another post because I think in such fragments, I think this makes 27NB town because the other carol singers (WHO SHOULD NOT CLAIM UNLESS THEY KNOW 27NB IS LYING) can out her at any point since they know who the other masons carol singers are.

##unvote


Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 09:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 10 2014 09:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On December 10 2014 09:05 liancourt wrote:
where did ninja claim mason


I didn't.


Oh, ok. I'm a dum dum


He dropped his scum read (which I assume was his strongest, given where his vote was) due to the "claim" but didn't reasses the situation in any way once the "claim" was explained to be a misunderstanding. Not what I would expect from a town player in that situation.

##Vote: Fecalfeast

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 10 2014 22:09 GMT
#1384
This was Trfel when he was town:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 26 2014 08:02 Trfel wrote:
I'm becoming highly suspicious of batsnacks.

Looking at batsnacks' posts this game, it does seem like he hasn't contributed many reads or constructive comments at all. He has pressure voted kushm4sta, and tried to convince other people to vote for kushm4sta, as shown:

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 10:27 batsnacks wrote:
I think you should all start voting kush since that's the most logical vote right now.


Then Oatsmaster starts hinting that he might be mafia, and he responds as follows:

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 12:25 batsnacks wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
He has bad posts regarding a read ohf HTS, his policy lynch on kush is really bad and he is using that to avoid playing the game and doing actual useful things.


This isn't a read. None of oats' posts contain reads.

oats is play is like 80% asking questions that have already been answered and 20% badgering the host about issues he could fix himself.

If my plynch on kush is bad give me something better.

I've seen oats play a lot better than he is doing right now.

He just starts attacking Oatsmaster, without actually providing any argument against the accsusations.

It's been nearly 24 hours and I cannot find any critical thinking or logical reads from batsnacks. He has been only minimally probing for information, as well.

Now, examining batsnacks' mafia history, it seems to show similar, non-accusatory play as mafia, but an ability to logically provide arguments against people as town.

In Fantasy Football Mafia Mini 2, his most recent mafia game, batsnacks was a mafia vanilla. His posts generally seem to lack content, for example this:
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On October 23 2014 16:57 batsnacks wrote:
On October 23 2014 16:50 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 23 2014 14:24 Alakaslam wrote:


Fite me

You know it is time

Exact same amount of letter swapping sson


I only had to swap 2 letters, the A and the I. You have to swap 3, the N, O, and W. Plus you have an extra letter that doesn't even belong there.

Looks like I'm right about you. You're clearly reaching here.

batsnacks did give some analysis in saying that robik seemed to be town in that game, which ended up being correct. But he failed to provide specifics or any real evidence of this:

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On October 24 2014 06:50 batsnacks wrote:
I think robik looks pretty solid. I like how he's posting; he's focused, not all caps, consolidated, no personal dramas, that stuff is what reminds me of hard to get along with robik. @DrParnassus what about robik this game seem hard to cooperate with? Could you quote an example? You did say -everything about the way he's playing- reminds you of that.

He also defends Liam from an accusation. Up to now, the only two real things he's said are claiming these two people to be town. At this point he is accused of being mafia, and this is his defense:
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On October 24 2014 21:41 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm not a good lynch right now. For obvious reasons.

He continues to not provide any true defense or explanation for his actions, and ends up being lynched on the first day.

In his mafia game before that, Fantasy Football (FFL) Mini, batsnacks is a town vanilla.

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On October 06 2014 23:34 batsnacks wrote:
On October 06 2014 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 06 2014 23:26 batsnacks wrote:
Oats if you are in fact "contributing" shouldn't you be thanking me? I did enable these "contributions" of yours. I feel like you're annoyed with me for allowing you to contribute.

Or are you annoyed with being in the spotlight this early?

You dont get to claim credit for something that happened accidentally.

What are your reads, mainly holyflare and me?


I agreed with HF a lot last game and he was town. I'm agreeing with him this game already so, tentatively town.

I'm voting you because I think you're scummy.

Also lol at "accidentally"

You claimed on accident now?

batsnacks accuses Oatsmaster of being mafia in this game (which ends up being incorrect). But when he defends someone as being town, he provides some support for this claim, and also shares his views a bit.

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On October 07 2014 08:07 batsnacks wrote:
Wait a minute, something isn't right. I quoted all of the following from the same post.

On October 07 2014 02:35 Blazinghand wrote:
...there's roughly speaking 13 players, right? If 3 are scum, then that gives us a solid 22% chance of lynching scum purely based on RNG.


No townie in this game knows the ratio of town to mafia, so it is correct here that BH gives us an example ratio of 10/3 or 22% as an example.

But then later in that post he says this:

On October 07 2014 02:35 Blazinghand wrote:
...the fact of the matter is, I'm offering a straight-up 22% chance to lynch someone.


BH how do you KNOW there are exactly 3 mafia? I bolded fact because that's a serious word to throw around when you're supposedly working with estimates.

Here's a critical analysis of a post in that game. It doesn't result in anything, but this post has more logic and scum-searching than his play to this point in the current game, as well as his play in the first game I mentioned, where he was mafia.

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On October 08 2014 02:24 batsnacks wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
You had one job batsnacks.
+ Show Spoiler +
and then HF gave you another one.


Does it make you nervous that I've already figured out you're mafia?

Then he claims Hopeless1der to be mafia, which ends up being correct. I don't see any reasoning listed, though. This post also came after the first 24 hours of the game, unlike all of the other posts quoted here.

I did notice this inconsistency between his post in this game:
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On November 25 2014 10:58 batsnacks wrote:There is no such thing as scum slips, so no, dude didn't scum slip.

and this:

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On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:
You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.

What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia)


I think it's feasible that he slipped.

besides

The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes.

Why the change? Probably just a change in his playstyle, but another explanation is that he is searching for mafia in that game, and has less incentive to do so in this game.

Looking at batsnacks' play in the game preceding the above game, 2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er, batsnacks immediately comes up with a comprehensive look at GlowingBear:

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On September 26 2014 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
I'm not completely caught up yet but I still think GB is mafiawolf.

On September 25 2014 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Storr is mafia because of this:

This post stinks:

On September 25 2014 09:20 StorrZerg wrote:
(1) i'd lynch fecal for the donkey entrance to the game.

the overly troll attitude fecal has with the caps locks, and insta vote on holy is really throwing off scum vibes. Deff would lynch.


On September 25 2014 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
The fact that nobody was using the voting thread made me think they were joke votes. That's why I didn't use the thread anyway.

Lol I actually like your case holyflare


"yeah right"

Also i don't like the GB entrance to the game

On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.

Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now


(2)unless im missing a game he just played, last game he was scum. seems odd to lead with a lie.


(1) very has reason to call someone definetely scum. I did that no geript last game. There is nothing alignment indicative in fecal's entrance and that makes storr look bad.

(2) storr was scum with me and I clearly stated on the qt that I wanted to be town. I was mafia for 3 games and I wish I was town on this, which I am. I never lied.

The way he is disliking entrances looks like he is trying to pretend to be an aggressive town.

Also, he gives Haru free town pass for his entrance and also obiwan. None has alignment indicative posts.

On September 25 2014 10:11 StorrZerg wrote:
obi probably town too.


I'm on a phone and I'm too lazy to search for the town pass on Haru now.

storr is my strongest scum read the moment


Here's his case on storr. He says storr is pretending to be aggressive town by disliking entrances. That is a weird thing to say. How can GB tell the difference between someone who is pretending to be aggressive town and someone who actually is aggressive town based on so few posts? Imo he can't and is just making stuff up.

He also scum reads storr for saying someone is "definitely" mafia and says he said the exact same thing as scum last game. Well, look at this:

On September 25 2014 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Naaaah. I'm positive storr is scum.
##Vote: Storr


He did it again this game.

I also think this post is scummy:

On September 25 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.

Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.

I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work)


Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information?

Lol...

HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me.


Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read.

That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction.

btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
I'm gone for now, see you all later.



It can be shallow, but at least I'm the only one trying to get people talking. Nothing is in the way of updating my reads the more people starts to talk. If you lynch me, you'll be lynching a townie for stupid reasons and you'll soon lose the game as much as you lost our last one


The "at least" in that sentence is really scummy to me. It's a tone thing. It's like he's really saying "I'm mafia but at least I'm the only one trying to get people talking." It's also scummy how he says he's the -only- person getting people talking. GB made a case against HF earlier for dropping his case against HaruRH. I'm not a mind reader but I think HF made that case to get people talking. So GB is scum reading HF for trying to get people talking -- while saying he, GB, is the only contributor in the thread.

I also think this post is scummy:

On September 25 2014 10:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok

Glowningbear's first scum team guess: Haru, HF, Storr

Gonna have dinner and give reasons


GB is referring to himself in the third person here in order to distance himself from his reads that he doesn't actually believe in. How can he be confident he's caught the whole scum team and solved the game? Later when he's drunk he posts this:

On September 25 2014 17:48 GlowingBear wrote:
My dribk senses says JAT is possibly mafia


So now GB has found 4 mafia... HF is mafia for getting people talking with an early case, Haru is mafia for unflipped assosiations, storr is mafia because GB can tell somehow that storr is just pretending to be aggressive town, and JAT is mafia because ???


Speaking of reads, GB is frantic this game about "getting reads." He is addicted to reads and needs an intervention. He wants to convince us so badly that he is trying to get reads that he can not stop saying it:

On September 25 2014 08:46 GlowingBear wrote:
It won't help me getting reads if you use day1 just to charge your solar beam.


On September 25 2014 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Asking about holyflare's case to everyone is my way to get people talking and getting reads from them.


On September 25 2014 11:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Why I think Haru is scum:

He doesn't want to talk much, not letting me getting reads:


On September 25 2014 11:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Why not talking? He should be helping us with reads day1.


On September 25 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm done with the reads. I'm going to get ready for a party.


On September 25 2014 11:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Because I want people talking about people so I can get reads.


On September 25 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Nothing is in the way of updating my reads the more people starts to talk.


On September 26 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Sorry, I'm guilty of getting people to talk to get my reads instead of immediately attacking both HF and hope.


On September 26 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:
I think that is good to register and to get reads.


On September 26 2014 00:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Gut feelings VS actual reads. Actual reads won.


On September 26 2014 00:49 GlowingBear wrote:
It could be totally wrong but at least I would get people talking more so I can have more reads



He's clearly thinking and investigating the posts, and trying to find the scum. Then he starts thinking that SkyDragon is scum:

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On September 26 2014 08:18 batsnacks wrote:
Also this post is really scummy:

On September 26 2014 01:07 SkyDragon wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.


"His" is correct. :p

d1 claimers got lynched depending on what they were saying.

- If they claimed to be Town with nothing to back it up, they were seen as suspicious and people would vote to lynch them if their play-style doesn't match.
- Throwing out names on the first day was seen as suspicious.
- Feigning ignorance of a particular role was suspicious unless he weren't very bright in the first place (As one guy did when he asked the Mod in the thread whether getting no pm means that you're a Villager - We straight away knew that he was trying it, lynched him and he turned out to be Mafia)
- Changing votes repeatedly was seen as suspicious.
- Normally active players who become quiet were seen as suspicious.

There's no one answer to fit all situations really. There were also power roles so someone may have been saying something considered "weird" because they were the Seer, Doctor, Vigi or some other good role (And the last thing you want to do is get them lynched). There would be some hesitation to vote to lynch anyone on Day 1 but sometimes something is said that just doesn't feel right to several people.


It's a long post filled with info that makes zero conclusions about anything. Perfect mafia post. If I'm not voting GB today I'm voting skydragon.


He continues to press on GlowingBear and SkyDragon. Both end up being town, but batsnacks is showing that he is capable and willing to attempt to find scum and provide logical accusations that other players are scum.

In conclusion, batsnacks seems very suspcious because he has not yet provided any real content, particularly at least one accusation of someone being mafia with an argument behind it. This resembles his play in his last game, where he was mafia, and contrasts with his play in previous games where he was town. What do you guys think?

batsnacks
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December 10 2014 22:13 GMT
#1391
On December 11 2014 07:11 Holyflare wrote:
bats you're supposed to be stopping me from policying people?


If we're policying someone I missed it.
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