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On October 15 2014 10:53 Damdred wrote:
Right now looking at this "reaction test" Kush is the most likely to be mafia. But why wouldn't you fucking believe a cop claim? My god, this did nothing but shit up the day. I'm trying to calm down.
Its hard for me to say not to lynch GB for this stupid shit especially for the vote on me in the thread because its so shit and her reasons for lynching me are so bad.
Having a hard time seeing why a towny would claim someone was mafia just for a reaction test and then rescend totally destroying part of the day that could be scum hunting instead and then voting someone who wasn't even here for most of it.
I think Kush is probably mafia, GB has a shot at being mafia for being so antitown in all of this and i still like geript for mafia in all of this.
3 hours of a 48 day cycle. I rescinded fast so town could get back to the right track.
It was a dumb move and I know it. I admit it. But destroying part of day2 is overreacting.
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On October 15 2014 11:02 Damdred wrote:
You are playing for shit GB.
I've said a few times that I had my read on you, I said that you were probably town and of course you did this town tell at one point which is showing frustration and an inability to get your reads across in a clear manner. A really crappy town tell, but when your mafia you are much to sure of yourself and always hammer stuff down. Which by the way your doing now basically.
You are scum reading me on not giving reads? I gave a read on geript, on rayn on VE. So that point is totally null, gave one on hopeless, I had you as town now I don't so good job. Your whole case is shit your whole case bulls down in the thread, damdred is not here. You are probably mafia for destroying the start of the day so GG
My case doesn't boils down to you being inactive. You are misreading me.
If I'm town, tell people I'm town.
Don't say "GB is probably town, I don't know"
Say "GB gave his town tell people, I'm sure he is town"
SPECIALLY when I'm the main wagon. SPECIALLY.
You're scumreading geript SOLELY on contradiction. SOLELY on being confused on your meta. You were just parroting Rayn.
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I assumed it was a bad play.
You're also too defensive now. You mostly only post when being called scum. It means you're actually reading the thread but not giving insights.
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On October 15 2014 11:07 Damdred wrote:
GB seriously? Rayn didn't scum read geript till well after the lynch, way after I said that he was misuing my meta....are you serious right now?
Well, I'm not sure now. Let me check what came first.
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On October 15 2014 11:11 Damdred wrote:
I posted because I GOT HOME.
Check fanfic, I ALWAYS disapear for awhile then reapear now. Check almost any game i've been in and I always say "I"m driving home around now so i'll be back when I can". Always show back up around 9 pm eastern or 10 at the latest.
You are just coming up with reasons to discredit me now.
Ok, I'll consolidate my case on you so we don't stay like this cat and dog discussion.
Would you vote sqrt?
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On October 15 2014 11:21 Damdred wrote:
Just depends on how the rest of the day goes, if you continue to play like this i'll probably vote for you. I'd be happy with a kush lynch the way hes playing, or a geript lynch. sqr comes down to a lurker lynch and low hanging fruit and i'm not into that bad list post or not
I'm playing okay now. I'm not derping anymore.
You're just OMGUSing if you want to mislynch me because I have fair reads on you.
But is rather not talk about us anymore. I want to listen more about others.
Ok, what on sqrt makes you think he could be town but not kush?
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On October 15 2014 11:32 Damdred wrote:
And GBs listpost is bad, he says that sqr is his top scum read but hes voting me? Thats crazy, GB is so mafia
Lol damdy you should sleep or consider not misreading me. I said he WAS my top scumread but now I'm not sure because of his last post. It is clearly written...
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On October 15 2014 11:34 Damdred wrote:
Ok i am prone to omgus, ill admit that.
SQR is at least giving reads or opinons about stuff even if it is fragmented and not giving us much else. Kush is just sitting around going i'm playing mafia trolling and voted on hopeless without even trying to figure out the situation and came up with a town read on you from reading one page of your filter even though he didn't say what page.
This is good.
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On October 15 2014 11:39 Damdred wrote:
Could you take a random page in yoru filter and honestly say this person is town?
Ok maybe i misread, but what did you find out about when i posted about the messed up meta and when rayn posted it?
I haven't found it yet. I'm gonna do that later because I'm lazy right now.
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I'm just more inclined to understand other things. You being parroting Rayn or not is not my main concern.
I'm gonna sleep damdy. I'll take a look at it when I wake up.
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Alright you didn't parrot Rayn.
My bad.
I retract it.
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On October 15 2014 11:55 Damdred wrote:
Also you didn't answer my question
Select one page of your filter and if it was someone else could you town read that person off of it?
Oh, I didn't realise it was a question.
I'll be biased answering that but I have it this way: I can possibly have a feeling that someone is town by reading just one page. Well, people even find mafia by looking at just one post.
But the thing is: do you really believe he clicked my filter and decided to search for a random page from it? Or he would start from page one?
But page one has nothing alignment indicative so... No, I don't believe someone cod rest assured I'm town.
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Alright.
1) I immediately rescinded my claim because I thought it would be detrimental to town to keep that discussion. Yes, it was after VE pointed out a problem, but I was planning to rescind soon. Look into VE's argument:
+ Show Spoiler +"Like here's where your story falls to pieces. If you're parity cop then you knew going into the night - not at the end of the night but GOING INTO the night that there were 3 primes claimed. This means that from YOUR perspective, you knew that there was 1 between DP and Hopeless and that there is ZERO DOCTOR. That means that you DO NOT get a check when you "out", because mafia will KILL YOU."
A parity cop must check anyone regardless if he is going to die or not. I could simply keep this discussion going and make my way out of it. I could simply say that "yes, I checked Rayn because I had to check someone and I plan to check other person at night" and keep going trying to kill Hopeless. Simply as that.
It was very dumb to claim as town? Yes!
It is even worse claiming as mafia? Yes. If hopeless gets lynched and flips prime, I, as mafia, would get lynched day3. It would be better to hide and try a mislynch on townies today. There are a lot of unconfirmed townies this game to get a mislynch. Horrible move as mafia.
I'm saying it again: I am VT and I fake claimed to get reactions. I've never done that before and I decided I should give it a shot. It was horrible.
2) There is no way I'm mafia after I've put so much effort in the game, specially at night one. I filter dived a lot of people, searched for previous games to understand meta and came back with that to the thread. You were basically scumreading me for saying DP was blue but pointing him out as scum. But check the rest of my gameplay and see if it convinces you I'm mafia.
Now I defended myself, answering Rayn.
Rayn, I think Hopeless is town for his reaction. He didn't flip, there was a chance he was mafia. I mean, there is a possible setup where there is 2 primes and 1 parity cop, and simply 2 primes without any PR. I expected him to, as mafia, start coming full throttle against me. I mean, if a mafia got busted, I think he would turn aggressive and try to get me mislynched at least to save himself. Yet he thought I could be town fake claiming.
To be honest, now that I think more out of this, this doesn't mean much. I just realised that if we are in a setup where there is only 2 primes and no power roles, there is also a GF, which means that there is no Power Role so he KNOWS I'm town and he ALSO knows I'm vt if he is mafia.
God my claim was more retarded than I thought.
Anyway, I'm still having him as town...
CR, for his stream of thought, his confusion but trying to solve it, I don't think mafia would do that and look genuine like CR did. I believe that he turned from a question mark into a leaning town after my fake claim.
Now, on geript:
On October 15 2014 07:13 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 07:11 Chairman Ray wrote:
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that mafia would actually shoot the prime.
What does everyone think about just leaving both hopeless and GB alive today? I'm not sure which we lynch. We definitely lynch 1.
This is his first post, even after hopeless thought I could be town. He didn't have second thoughts here. He decided that the thread should definetely lynch one. It will be a mislynch anyway.
Now, check this post I've just realised
On October 15 2014 07:19 geript wrote:
Did I have a bad read on GB. If that's the case then why claim.
THIS POST IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT. Why is he asking if he had a bad read on me? Why is he asking why did I claim? WAS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE POSTED ON THE SCUM QT?
Like, it sounds like he knows I'm VT and he is trying to understand why I decided to fake claim.
LOL
Damdred just posted this:
On October 15 2014 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Glowing did you bread from cop?
Why check hopeless here?
And asked nothing else, neither came back with a follow up. Again, he is not trying to figure the game. I'm having a hard time believing he is town.
Kush simply voted on Hopeless and fucked off. Like I would expect from a mafia, because he wouldn't care who to lynch:
On October 15 2014 07:36 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 07:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
GB if your next post isnt something along the lines of "lol jk" I will fucking end you. This is your one and only warning. ah hahahahah ##vote hopeless
VE's reaction was very solid logic and I believe that his inquisitive tone makes him townie.
That's what I've got, Rayn.
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On October 15 2014 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Again. There was three prime claims and a parity cop claim. Every fucking townie "knows" one of the claims is scum because THAT'S HOW IT IS!!!! Why is voting for the more unreasonable claim scummy but not voting not scummy as you are saying (regarding geript, kush and CR)? You are turning the situation upside town. Assuming you are town you should SUSPECT the people who doubted there is mafia in you/Hopeless. Not the people who say "lol this claim is way more scummier and one of the dudes is mafia anyways". I still can't understand why you would even remotely think mafia!Hopeless would shoot prime!DP ever on N1. There is literally zero reason to do so, if Hopeless was mafia they would NEVER EVER shoot DP because DP is the ONLY backup lynch for them if someone claims a power role (which mafia cannot know exists / not). That seems to be the ONLY purpose for your fakeclaim, and the reason is retarded. You also had the MOST reason to shoot DarthPunk on N1. That is a fact and it definitely does not make you look any better. And this: Show nested quote +3) Why is sqrt's post @ D2 start good? Show me the good things about that post because i think it's terrible and contradicting itself.
It was retarded, Rayn. I've admitted it. I just wanted to give it a try.
I've re read it and I don't think it's good anymore. I'm not sure if I posted it here.
I thought it was good because it looked similar to one of his posts in the game I've brought.
But after I reread it, I just realised that the did a comprehensive read on everyone except Damdred, who whe just stated "Damdred has been pushing geript" and "I have no idea on ritoky"
Like... really? "Damdred has been pushing geript"? LOLOLOL
Also, he scumreads CR but votes on hopeless based on only the math thing I've brought. I didn't even claim yet. So, after re reading it, I think it's terrible
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.: Case on Damdred
Damdred mostly spend his filter talking about me. His filter is little compared to his previous townplays.
I know he was traveling but he came back at October 13. There was an ongoing game where he had 3 filter pages of gameplay on October 13. Here, he has half. He only comes to the thread when called to.
Check this post:
On October 14 2014 02:32 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred why did you spend like 4 posts of real time trying to clarify whether or not GB "dodged" when you don't know what your own read on GB is? If it is to clarify Hopeless' intentions or whatever, what is your read on Hopeless? I think I have my read on GB for right now thank you. I spent those posts talking about the dodge because I was asked about it and to clarify my earlier comments, it took that long because of semantics. Read on hopeless is that he seems to be contributing to the thread and giving his thoughts, hes claiming the named blue role that has no powers and nobody is counter claiming him or claiming with him. Its highly likely that he is town.
Ok, at the start of the game, he said I have a clear town tell and I know he can read me well.
He said there that he already has a read on me. But does not share with thread. WHY? By that time, I was the main wagon. If he has a read on me, why not pushing me further or defending me? I inquired him. He answered this:
On October 14 2014 13:53 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 13:34 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote:
Because until GB does his town tell that he doesn't realize he does he might be scum or not drunk enough yet Then On October 14 2014 02:32 Damdred wrote:On October 14 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred why did you spend like 4 posts of real time trying to clarify whether or not GB "dodged" when you don't know what your own read on GB is? If it is to clarify Hopeless' intentions or whatever, what is your read on Hopeless? I think I have my read on GB for right now thank you. I spent those posts talking about the dodge because I was asked about it and to clarify my earlier comments, it took that long because of semantics. Read on hopeless is that he seems to be contributing to the thread and giving his thoughts, hes claiming the named blue role that has no powers and nobody is counter claiming him or claiming with him. Its highly likely that he is town. Damdred, day one is over and you haven't told us if I had done my town tell. Moreover, you said you had a read on me but didn't share it with us. 1) Why aren't you sharing it with us? 2) If you have a scum read on me, why weren't you pushing me? 3) if you have a town read on me, why weren't you fighting my wagon? Your filter is mostly focused on me. You've spent most of your game busy with me. But then you follow the wagon that was being built: On October 14 2014 04:17 Damdred wrote:
Geript, why put in that much work on Oats and not vote him? It seems like the only reason that you are voting me is some twisted meta read that is invalidated in the same game that we were playing and the game I posted.
This feels like you are trying to look towny and trying to find a good mislynch to me. Soft pushing oats to see if it picks up traction while hardpushing me for the easy mislynch today
##Vote Geript How did you suddenly read geript as mafia here? Is that how you see him now? I'm sold on Geript being mafia right now, all his points about me (while it could be said are omgus) they do not line up. Rayn picked a few a part pretty good with my thought pattern, and explained it pretty well. And i'm documented in the thread for reading him scum there, and some reasons for it. 1) I am not sharing my read with you because I wasn't asked and i was in a little bit of a hurry 2) I haven't been pushing you because im pretty sure you aren't scum presently 3) You seemed to do a pretty decent job defending yourself, your filter was big enough where you shouldn't of been the lynch and there was plenty of sentiment to move away from you. So not sure what I was defending you against. I have been tied up with you in my limited thread time, i should be free more tomorrow
(1) What a shitty excuse. He didn't share a read on me because HE WASN'T ASKED? He needs to step up in the game for his own if he is town, not when he is asked to. He could be in a hurry, yes, but he posted here in the thread. He just posted "I have my read on GB". He could've posted "I have my read on GB and he is town". Hurry is not an excuse. He could simply try to dismantle my wagon if the thought I was town or push me if he thought I was scum. He didn't
(2) He hasn't being defending me either. Nobody knew exactly what he thought of me.
(3) I was being shitted on THE WHOLE GAME. So he was ok that the discussion was going on and on and on without trying to come to the thread and save, at least, precious time?
Ok, checking his filter, he mostly posts answers to me and regarding my scum read on him, and on geript. He is scumreading geript solely for the meta thing. There isn't another single argument to scumread geript on his filter, and not even another scum read. Just geript. And me, now.
When the thread was heating up after I fake claimed, this is what Damdred posted:
On October 15 2014 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Glowing did you bread from cop?
Why check hopeless here?
But after so many interactions, he only came back to say this:
On October 15 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:
GB argument is this about me,
Damdred is not here to defend himself or to react to situations therefore he is mafia! Damdreds activity on another game is double what it was that day, even though we were in different phases in the cycle and nobody was talking in this game but me and he answered every question I asked him. He was also up for lynch there and was trying to get his final reads out.
Ritoky did the same BS in season of a witch, activity does not make me mafia or town. Look in season compare it to mission it was about the same time going on one i was way less active and town one i was way more active and mafia. And this is completely retarded that i'm having to defend myself based on activity and a bad meta read from people. Like this isn't even scum hunting its just trying to sound like you are. Good god
Why didn't participate in the interactions? Why did he only come back to defend himself against my read on him?
This is what I'm talking about Damdred. It is not only because he is lurking. It's his overall gameplay. He is always defending and hardly scumhunting.
So, reasons why I feel Damdred is scum:
A) His activity is a lot higher when he is town, even when he was traveling
B) He is not analysing possibilities. He has been focusing on voting geript since the beginning of the game. He even did drop his vote on geript and laid back on Day1, when oats was about to get mislynched.
C) He is not sharing reads with the thread or clearly scumhunting, he only comes to the thread when someones cites his name
D) He has been overly defensive.
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On October 15 2014 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So where is your head at atm?
Who is mafia?
I was building the case on Damdred. Even after his responses, I'm positive he is mafia.
You didn't give me your insight regarding the geript's slip.
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On October 15 2014 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think the case on Damdred is good.
At least is way fucking worse than a guy sheeping his scumreads onto another lynch when the other lynch targets are his top scumreads....
I don't know, Rayn. I still have sqrt as one of my top scum reads now.
I find odd that you completely ignored the thing on geript.
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On October 15 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:I find it odd that you have nothing to say about ritoky and my case on him. Okay let's go through your case on Damdred. Show nested quote +This is what I'm talking about Damdred. It is not only because he is lurking. It's his overall gameplay. He is always defending and hardly scumhunting. (i'll call this point X)
So, reasons why I feel Damdred is scum:
A) His activity is a lot higher when he is town, even when he was traveling
B) He is not analysing possibilities. He has been focusing on voting geript since the beginning of the game. He even did drop his vote on geript and laid back on Day1, when oats was about to get mislynched.
C) He is not sharing reads with the thread or clearly scumhunting, he only comes to the thread when someones cites his name
D) He has been overly defensive. X) This is simply just not true. A) Incorrect. For example in Season of the witch mafia at this point of the game Damdred had 3 pages of filter. You can't just pick one game where he happened to post more than in this one and call him mafia for it. B) What fucking possibilities? If he thinks geript is mafia why should he do something else than lay out why he thinks geript is mafia and vote for him? Can you show me a town game where Damdred actively pushes lynches and continuously interacts with the thread because i cannot remember one (which is why i have always thought he is mafia early on). C) Yes he is, you just can't read between the lines or for some reason refuse to do so. D) How has he been overly defensive? Being defensive is not a scum trait because when someone calls you mafia of course you defend yourself regardless of your affiliation. It's funny you say this because your filter consists mostly of... defending yourself... Are you also being overly defensive? All in all your case is based on things that do not hold water or things that are related on meta - except that they really are not related to Damdred's meta because they are wrong.
Game he is town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Damdred&page=3
Look at how he is much more involved in interactions than he is in this game.
Game he is mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462291-showdown-mafia?user=Damdred&page=2
Look at his filter size, his not so interactive behaviour, how he repeatedly talks about obi and palmar. Mostly, look at how he is not interacting much. Pretty similar to this game. He just does talk a lot more about other options in that game. But his activity and interaction are similar to this one game.
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On October 15 2014 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like the meta part of your case on Damdred is exactly the same there was in geript's case on D1 which you called... Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I already understand his meta read on you was bad. Yes, it was bad. It was contradictory. sick change of mind!!!
What in posting I much more comprehensive than what geript posted.
Also, the suspicious part of geripts analysis on damdreds meta is that he said he doesn't know how to read damdred but is confident that damdred is mafia for meta reasons.
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On October 15 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 22:32 GlowingBear wrote:On October 15 2014 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like the meta part of your case on Damdred is exactly the same there was in geript's case on D1 which you called... On October 14 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I already understand his meta read on you was bad. Yes, it was bad. It was contradictory. sick change of mind!!! What in posting I much more comprehensive than what geript posted. Also, the suspicious part of geripts analysis on damdreds meta is that he said he doesn't know how to read damdred but is confident that damdred is mafia for meta reasons. So why are Damdred and geript bussing each other with "equally shitty cases"? Isn't that pretty retarded thing to do as mafia?
Hmm. Well, yes.
Okay, I may need more time to reevaluate this.
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