EPTSlam who else besides obi is scum?
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Slam who else besides obi is scum? Stor, imagine a world where Lia flips town. Where do you go from their | ||
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Kel, I never said I was tunneling him. Infact i'm pretty sure besides that one post and calling him out for not doing anything i've not tunneled on him really. Also I have done things this game, my case is close to storrs but I still feel it scum reads him for slightly different reasons, the list post reason is the same but meh. And I wanted to make a case and try to get my top scum read lynched. | ||
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On October 11 2014 01:37 Blazinghand wrote: hey damdred, i'm not sure what your read is on obiwan. you don't like his attempt to save his scumbuddy (link) but don't call him scum for it. You interact with OWS a bit here (link) and that's it. Have you read OWS' filter? Do you still not like his attempt to save OO? What do you think of his followup today? I have read OWS filter and been watching him closely. I did not like the trying to get people off of OO, however i've been thinking really hard whether this would be scum motivated or town motivated. And i'm just not sure that scum would try to pull off people on their partner that would get lynched anyway and bring the heat down on themselves. I do not think that their was any chance that OO would not be lynched. I personally like shenanigans, but I wouldn't of been for it to switch to Palmar thats for sure especially on someone who was refusing to play. For the record I still do not like that he tried to pull people off even as a joke and the retreat from that is still scummy. OWS followup today has been generally towny, he has put in a good bit of effort defending himself and pushing a hopeless lynch. His day 2 is 100% better than d1 or N1, however I do still have a few problems with him but i've got a tentative town read still on him but wouldn't complain about a bullet to him. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:03 Blazinghand wrote: So you'd be fine if a vigi shot him but don't want to lynch him? ;_; I get what you're saying about the shenannigans being a long shot. It certainly didn't seem particularly likely to succeed, and that's a point in OWS' favor. He also did take some crap for them, but he didn't take that much crap because it SEEMED so trolling. In my opinion OWS picked a semilurker and tried to see if people were interested, and left himself a verbal path of retreat by making it ridiculous and then backpedaling. Like, it was super non-obvious that it was a joke, and i'm pretty sure after suggesting it and hearing a reaction or two, he realized it wasn't happening and focused on saving his own skin. he didn't stick his neck out THAT far to save OO. He didn't argue long, he quickly said it was a joke. Heck, even with me shitting all over OWS constantly, I can barely russle up a vote or two against him; it was a calculated risk, which is pretty much what you'd expect from scum trying to save OO at that point. Obviously, scum wouldn't take a big risk or fakeclaim to save him or something, but the small risk, that's okay. I will agree that during D2 OWS has significantly stepped up his game. This makes me slightly less sure he's scum. That being said, I don't think the way his reads developed was natural, it doesn't seem to me like "town read on hf, scumread on h1" was what would have come from what he had said earlier. Also interestingly, it seems like his reasons for voting h1 evolved from "I'm voting him due to the red check" to "I'm also voting him because he's scummy" when the red check thing stopped existing. It seems more like he just wants to be on the big wagon than he actually has an underlying scumread or thought process driving his actions. does that make sense to you? I'm honestly really struggling with OWS alignment, your arguments are actually pretty logical and have a good point behind them. There was a good chance at shenanigans because of the way the policy lynch had went. I've seen Obi play as scum before and played with him in a lot of town games and I always have a hard time reading him, right now he looks like his town game with the way hes come on. But some of his responses even in d2 worry me like his refusing to defend himself against kel peaceing out soon as the pressure is gone. But hes done a good bit of good stuff today to like his pressure on hopeless. Your argument is solid but i'm not sure if obi is the lynch for today. Pretty sure he isn't | ||
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The oats thing there was a little bit of time in between my initial points about how it was unlike oats. Which it’s still unlike oats to freak out like that about a joke claim that early, and it’s still a bit weird. I started off with a knee jerk reaction and ended up somewhere differently after a few hours and rereading what happened. I still wasn’t sold as Oats being super solid town but I thought it was a bit silly at the time to scum read him just on that, and when he came back to the thread he was pretty towny and then he got shot and was town. I think I did not show much in the way of progression on this read, probably should of fleshed it out more but I don’t think it makes me mafia. And if you were to scum read me for something like this its pretty prevalent in the thread that a lot of people have done just what I did. If you look at Noir 2 for instance (BH WILL REMEMBER THIS), Robik got RNG’d he did not self vote and fuck off. He complained and fought against the lynch. It is not unreasonable to think, ok this lynch is not going to work the person who it landed on will fight for themselves and actually do stuff. Instead, he fucks off so yea its suspicious that someone would do that. Obviously my suspicion was well founded since he flipped mafia. I think I’ve made it clear in past games that I’m not the biggest fan of policy lynches, and if OO was able to actually be able to produce content and be useful I wouldn’t of voted for him. But he fucked off right after and I had no choice but to vote. There is not much to say about this. And yea, I don’t think BH has caught mafia before as far as I know with RNG. And…yea pretty sure hes going to use it more now. Also I have been calling BH town all game not just at that point when I said in tin foil land, I didn’t know if their was a way to game the system to get the point that BH wanted. I was educated and am better for it. Looking at thread sentiment you can tell if someone has a legitimate shot at getting lynched today. People are suspicious of Liam I think, but just not sure if he should be the lynch at this point or that I could draw the support needed. I still think liam has a good shot at flipping scum, but the way that you’ve played the past two days hopeless left me in a position where either one was a decent lynch. And liam was town read by a few people who I’m town reading so I have a little pause today. | ||
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I disagree with storrs idea about getting information from my lynch that makes me a sad panda. And i'm not sure what Liams case on me actually is, mine and obis interaction was a bit weird I will fully admit I still have no idea why obi took me down that path of questioning. Still think the reaction was odd, and well not sure how he was being beaten up at that point all of the pressure in d2 was on hopeless or obi and I made my case at the peek of their pressure. Also I think if you check every single game i've played in here i'm always super super super late on wagons i've gotten into many fights with rayn wave and a few others about my vote because I like to hold it until i'm prett sure about something. Its just how I play. And Liam still is not playing. If I missed anything else directed at me please point it out and ill answer it. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:17 batsnacks wrote: Damdred why does it take you 2 hours to take a shower. Fresh water is a limited resource. Sorry batsy totally destroyed from work been sitting here with the wife relaxing and lost track of time On October 11 2014 11:34 liancourt wrote: because we'd have to go through this nonsense again on d3 and i think it's beneficial for mafia for town to just waste another day on discussion on the same ppl. Frankly, I'd like to move on from this obi.hope discussion so I can lynch damdred because it's getting overshadowed by this farce. The irony of this post....i chuckled a ton Can we please please get on lian now | ||
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