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@Prome would you like to claim 3P defender now? I'm actually pretty sure that you're 3P and not vet because of how you approached CR and VE. I thought about trying to let it play out differently and potentially let you take another hit or sacrifice yourself, but I'm pretty sure it's better for town to force you to claim. | ||
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On September 26 2014 18:06 abuse wrote: what the fuck is this, I don't even. Because inexperienced people cannot think strategically and are blind to everything going on in the game? Or should I take this as your godly permission to lurk from now on? Pretty obvious what we should do in case CR flips blue. As previously stated - Lynch/check one person per pair until we hit jackpot. considering the fact that scum will also be shooting people at the next night, we should have our answer in a day or so and you don't need much of a brain to figure this out. I don't think Abuse has any potential shot of being mafia and making this post. Being a newer player and being mafia on a team of CR/VE/Abuse, I don't think anyone could have guided him to make this post. This is the exact 100% down to a tee type of post that newer players who are town and run up against "vet superiority complexes" make. Prome might disagree, but I doubt it. I don't think that this sort of frustration with the air of arrogance that can be at TL can be faked well or even be thought of in order to fake by new scum. If he did, my hat is off to you sir. + Show Spoiler [A longer explanation] + A new player who rolls scum would normally be exceptionally happy to get a freebie potential permanent town read. Second, knowing that CR is mafia, he would know that CR isn't going to martyr that night so the permanent townread isn't ever going to happen. Between those two points, it's a huge leap for a new player who's mafia to realize that if he were town he would be exceptionally mad because CR being 3P automatically makes him town. And a player 'shitting' on a player who sees himself as confirmed town (even though he's not technically confirmed) would get pissed that his opinion isn't be valued, listened to, etc. Additionally, Hapa had a town opinion of Abuse. I'm guessing Abuse may have written something in his filter that gave Hapa that feel. I personally wouldn't ever lynch Abuse right now after rereading. Again, please treat Abuse as if he's been green checked and is 98% confirmed town. Also, please reasonably evaluate his reads and look at his observations but take them with the perspective that they come from a less experienced player. [b]@Abuse[b] On a personal level: Also, fwiw, when I started I was fucking terrible. Lots of people would actually say I still am fucking terrible. But in my first non-newbie game, I made some very good observations that people listened to when I read and pointed them out. I made some other observations that people actually read them critically, thought about them and followed up on them then they would've caught a mafia. I don't think you're a good player. Prove me wrong. Reread. Clearly explain why you think what you think. We have 1 mafia left. Help me find them. Prove my ass wrong. I promise whole-heartedly read every word and reason you have and think about it. PS. I'm going to reread your filter again when I get up in the morning. | ||
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On September 27 2014 08:12 Chairman Ray wrote: We were like so close to killing you too geript. I really wanted to kill you, but my scum partner was too stubborn about killing prom. If it were up to me, we would be in a decent spot. Anyways, gg, was fun having a fakeclaim game FWIW CR, while I think the hit on Prome is pretty obvious and you guys got really unlucky with him being either Vet or 3P defender (like 99% the latter), this is not a post you should have made. It gives too many hints as to who your partner could be. I think post is potentially honest. Considering that the hit was 100% on Prome, there are very few players in my opinion who would force a strongly beneficial kill in a no-medic setup. I think it's worth considering that I was being discussed as an NK, but don't put too terribly much weight in it. It's better to just ask, "Who is the most likely to make a Prome kill here?" On DP: He's really experienced. He also doesn't think much of my play. There's no way in hell he'd let anyone NK me on N1 unless I'm a claimed power role. There's some suspicious aspects of his play (trying to move the VE lynch). I had a townread on him D1 but I don't think what he did was exceptionally obviously town. It's a metaread for being town and that's not enough for D2. Some of his early townreads make me pretty suspicious of him specifically regarding Oats and Kush iirc. I also think that for as rarely as he seems to play, if he were town in this game he'd actually try to flaunt how much better he is than everyone else. He's who I'm going to track tonight. On Yam: I don't think he's obviously town. He's been pretty passive. I think in a stacked game like this that he would actually try harder as town. He was on the right track to some extent D1, but in my experience in his mafia games he tends to not stick his neck out too far because of his town reputation. On Oats: Oats is a vet and his reads are pretty decent when he tries. I haven't been impressed with any of his reads in thread. He's also experienced enough to make sure that Prome is the target. He kinda exploded towniness last night, but I know that he actually can do that as mafia too. On Vayne: I don't think he's cared about actually being right this game. His early desire to kill CR is more suspect with CR being mafia now considering his reasoning especially seeing as how he's changed his views later on. Also, from what I recall he doesn't really enjoy playing mafia. So after CR claims 3P, I can 100% see him claiming a town role in QT as a "fuck this game, I'll just put as little effort into playing as possible." Having played with him and talking some in a QT in GMarsh's last game, I actually have a decent respect for his reads. He can be exceptionally good as town and often has some solid reasons as for why. While I liked his spike of activity early on, it scared me considering what I understand of him. As well, I haven't seen the good reads from him that I've seen previously. On Grack: He's played a decent amount imo. I think he's experienced enough to realize that Prome is the right call. Plus, I was townreading him so that's a reason to keep me around over Prome too. I don't have anything more specific For people who I'm less sure that they would want to kill Prome: On Damdred: I was pretty heavily against Damdred D1. He'd have a good reason to kill me since I'm likely to keep him in the spotlight for a while. I'm not sure how experienced he is and if he'd look to kill Prome over constant pressure. He could be scum but I don't think that the Prome NK heavily implicates him. On MysteryMeat1: I don't know enough about him and haven't played with him enough to really know what he would do. I was townreading him so I doubt he would want to NK. AFAIK he's friends with VE and knows VE well enough to know that Yam, Prome and DP are all strong town players when they want to be. | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:27 Promethelax wrote: You ain't too bright there, eh bud? If I was 3p and shot by mafia last night I'd be dead. Hmmm I was reading the "body block aspect" wrong then. I just want to be clear just in case because the sample role pms aren't exactly the best. Claiming vet? | ||
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On September 27 2014 17:30 Promethelax wrote: People who would shoot me in this game: Oats Yamato DP Kush People I have histories with who I have expressed town reads of, no one else makes sense because I really haven't been playing terribly well or done anything very interesting. I think it's worth considering the kills in regards of Hapa dying. VE being the vengful mafia makes the game pretty drastically different. | ||
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@Prome could you check my read on Abuse. Do you agree with it and the reasoning behind it? | ||
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Yah Fanatic had that game a numerous points. They just failed. | ||
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You covered Oats reasonably, but early on I had a small scumread on him. Plus his end of day looks significantly worse post flips. Plus he's a player who 100% would be pissed if his partner pulled shit like CR did. I think I explained DP/Yam already. Mostly lack of being super town, being right with no clear thought process, being wrong. Stuff. Kush just because I can't read him. You and DP did have townreads on him though. | ||
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On September 27 2014 18:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Activity arguments not relevant, I've been playing like this for a while. Promes argument falls apart when he is saying that I would avoid him as scum. Is making a case on him avoiding him? I don't think so. Also, as scum I'm super happy with town reads, why the funk would I argue against it? That's just bad scum play. Geript, why is prome necessarily defender rather than the other 2? I thought defender could only die if he's lynched or martyrs. | ||
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