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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 21 2014 13:22 GMT
#4361
On September 21 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 02:08 Holyflare wrote:
On September 21 2014 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 21 2014 00:13 Holyflare wrote:
It's not an "ultimate lie" i just reread your filter and it wasn't you going from town reads to scum reads i was mistaken it's just your weird things like the geript situation where you thought he was scummy for his claim but then asked everyone else for their reasons and then after all that questioned his motive like you didn't know why. Then when i posted his reason for claiming you said you're absolutely convinced now which of you'd been reading you'd already know his reasons for claiming since he's your scum read???


I haven't realised his motives for unclaiming, I think I've skipped that post. As I've already said here and in finished games, I'm working a lot during the week, specially at Mondays and Wednesdays. These are days where I have a 5 hour class after work. Impossible to keep good track of the thread.

I was scumreading him for his claim at night. I found it pretty scummy. I questioned everyone because I think mafia could be on an easy target and just repeating what people said "lol he is mafia because he claimed and unclaimed". I would put them in a hard situation if I asked "and why does that makes him scum?". They would have to fabricate a read and that's what I was after. But then you've brought his motives and it convinced me he was scum.


So what you're saying is you scum read someone for his claim but read absolutely nothing to do with his claim or why he did it????


respond to this gb


No, I say I scumread someone who claims at night, specially PGO, and that I have skipped one of his posts.

I clearly said I have skipped his motives to UNCLAIM.
I'm adorable.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
September 21 2014 13:57 GMT
#4362
On September 21 2014 18:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
we lynch one of these today: HF, GB or LT maybe batsnacks as well.

Currently much mroe in favor of a lynch on HF instead of GB. The only problem is that there is a (slight) possibility that yamato and HF are both town. Especially after reading through a lot of HFs posts in Day 2, when he finally did something. A bit indecisive here (and demotivated by the turn of the game)


This is a weird post. HF is his number one lynch, but he says HF could be town because of d2? Why mention d2 at all? He's completely ignoring the hot topic, yamato allegedly tracking HF to jat d1.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 21 2014 13:57 GMT
#4363
On September 21 2014 22:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:
On September 21 2014 02:08 Holyflare wrote:
On September 21 2014 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 21 2014 00:13 Holyflare wrote:
It's not an "ultimate lie" i just reread your filter and it wasn't you going from town reads to scum reads i was mistaken it's just your weird things like the geript situation where you thought he was scummy for his claim but then asked everyone else for their reasons and then after all that questioned his motive like you didn't know why. Then when i posted his reason for claiming you said you're absolutely convinced now which of you'd been reading you'd already know his reasons for claiming since he's your scum read???


I haven't realised his motives for unclaiming, I think I've skipped that post. As I've already said here and in finished games, I'm working a lot during the week, specially at Mondays and Wednesdays. These are days where I have a 5 hour class after work. Impossible to keep good track of the thread.

I was scumreading him for his claim at night. I found it pretty scummy. I questioned everyone because I think mafia could be on an easy target and just repeating what people said "lol he is mafia because he claimed and unclaimed". I would put them in a hard situation if I asked "and why does that makes him scum?". They would have to fabricate a read and that's what I was after. But then you've brought his motives and it convinced me he was scum.


So what you're saying is you scum read someone for his claim but read absolutely nothing to do with his claim or why he did it????


respond to this gb


No, I say I scumread someone who claims at night, specially PGO, and that I have skipped one of his posts.

I clearly said I have skipped his motives to UNCLAIM.


that's precisely my point!?!?!? you scum read someone for their CLAIM but then you dont even check why they UNCLAIMED but you still continued to scum read them despite that and even after that you NEVER checked the filter of your scum read to make sure of anything at all and you most definitely definitely definitely saw that he unclaimed because multiple people had been saying it
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
September 21 2014 13:59 GMT
#4364
Hmm shiaopi has claimed demotivated three times in two posts hmm
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 21 2014 14:04 GMT
#4365
On September 21 2014 13:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Storr is a ghost and GB is someone I haven't really been interested in for a really long time. So I don't really care about either of them.

I have my lynch target. This is the player I'm focused on. I don't care about anyone else provided I can get them to vote with me.


That's fine. Keep pushing lt.

Also his logic on why he shoots 2 masons is bad. No fucking mafia team follows that logic.

(Catching up now)
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 21 2014 14:05 GMT
#4366
On September 21 2014 22:57 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 22:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 21 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:
On September 21 2014 02:08 Holyflare wrote:
On September 21 2014 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 21 2014 00:13 Holyflare wrote:
It's not an "ultimate lie" i just reread your filter and it wasn't you going from town reads to scum reads i was mistaken it's just your weird things like the geript situation where you thought he was scummy for his claim but then asked everyone else for their reasons and then after all that questioned his motive like you didn't know why. Then when i posted his reason for claiming you said you're absolutely convinced now which of you'd been reading you'd already know his reasons for claiming since he's your scum read???


I haven't realised his motives for unclaiming, I think I've skipped that post. As I've already said here and in finished games, I'm working a lot during the week, specially at Mondays and Wednesdays. These are days where I have a 5 hour class after work. Impossible to keep good track of the thread.

I was scumreading him for his claim at night. I found it pretty scummy. I questioned everyone because I think mafia could be on an easy target and just repeating what people said "lol he is mafia because he claimed and unclaimed". I would put them in a hard situation if I asked "and why does that makes him scum?". They would have to fabricate a read and that's what I was after. But then you've brought his motives and it convinced me he was scum.


So what you're saying is you scum read someone for his claim but read absolutely nothing to do with his claim or why he did it????


respond to this gb


No, I say I scumread someone who claims at night, specially PGO, and that I have skipped one of his posts.

I clearly said I have skipped his motives to UNCLAIM.


that's precisely my point!?!?!? you scum read someone for their CLAIM but then you dont even check why they UNCLAIMED but you still continued to scum read them despite that and even after that you NEVER checked the filter of your scum read to make sure of anything at all and you most definitely definitely definitely saw that he unclaimed because multiple people had been saying it


That's the reason why I held my vote?
What I've saw is that he unclaimed because Rayn already said he wasn't PGO. The post you've brought was indicative to me.

I was reading him scum already for his claim.
Yes, I've skipped a post. Sue me.
I'm adorable.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 21 2014 14:07 GMT
#4367
On September 21 2014 15:03 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 14:22 GlowingBear wrote:
It's not. It's pretty suggestionable that you tracked the only guy who would visit people in the night.

If he's mafia, like I believe, then it was an amazing track and probably gives us another shot at actually winning.

No one else is even trying to do anything today. It's pathetic.


Would you be pushing hf if you hadn't tracked him?
I believe your claim.

How do you feel about lt?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
September 21 2014 14:08 GMT
#4368
On September 18 2014 08:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
this game is actually pretty straightforward anyway


On September 18 2014 08:41 ShiaoPi wrote:
thats why I called it straightforward. Either town gets shit done today or we are done for. heh


On September 19 2014 17:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
never signing up for a game with robik again


On September 19 2014 23:38 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2014 22:51 IAmRobik wrote:
On September 19 2014 17:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
never signing up for a game with robik again

Why didn't you just express this sentiment 20 pages ago? Why are you still harping on it after I started contributing? ( )


cause that was the time I caught up to this trainwreck of a game and I had to state it somewhere for my own record.
get your votes on geript guys


On September 21 2014 05:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
fuck this game so much....
I come back to the thread after a friday night out to this? ugh....


On September 21 2014 05:24 ShiaoPi wrote:
super demotivated right now, will be back with a post before the deadline...


On September 21 2014 18:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
A bit indecisive here (and demotivated by the turn of the game)


On September 21 2014 18:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
no fucking reasons left to really want to play this trainwreck out




So yeah ShiaoPi sure is demotivated.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 21 2014 14:18 GMT
#4369
On September 21 2014 23:08 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 08:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
this game is actually pretty straightforward anyway


Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 08:41 ShiaoPi wrote:
thats why I called it straightforward. Either town gets shit done today or we are done for. heh


Show nested quote +
On September 19 2014 17:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
never signing up for a game with robik again


Show nested quote +
On September 19 2014 23:38 ShiaoPi wrote:
On September 19 2014 22:51 IAmRobik wrote:
On September 19 2014 17:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
never signing up for a game with robik again

Why didn't you just express this sentiment 20 pages ago? Why are you still harping on it after I started contributing? ( )


cause that was the time I caught up to this trainwreck of a game and I had to state it somewhere for my own record.
get your votes on geript guys


Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 05:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
fuck this game so much....
I come back to the thread after a friday night out to this? ugh....


Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 05:24 ShiaoPi wrote:
super demotivated right now, will be back with a post before the deadline...


Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 18:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
A bit indecisive here (and demotivated by the turn of the game)


Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 18:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
no fucking reasons left to really want to play this trainwreck out




So yeah ShiaoPi sure is demotivated.


And what do you make of it?
I'm adorable.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
September 21 2014 14:19 GMT
#4370
Give me your keys bear, you're drunk. You can have them back after you eat breakfast.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 21 2014 14:46 GMT
#4371
I'm just hangover now
I'm adorable.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 21 2014 14:54 GMT
#4372
Slavish counting of votes:

IAmRobik (0): batsnacks
Damdred (1): GlowingBear
ShiaoPi (1): batsnacks
Lord Tolkien (1): ObiWanShinobi

Not voting (12): IAmRobik, StorrZerg, Tehpoofter, Fecalfeast, Hopeless1der, ShiaoPi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, yamato77, Chairman Ray, Holyflare, Superbia

Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.
Only votes in the voting thread count.
Deadline is Monday, Sep 22 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).


+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

VOTE: batsnacks voted IAmRobik (post)
VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted LT (Lord Tolkien) (post)
VOTE: GlowingBear voted Damdred (post)
VOTE: batsnacks unvoted IAmRobik (post)
VOTE: batsnacks voted ShiaoPi (post)
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
September 21 2014 15:00 GMT
#4373
ShiaoPi isn't demotivated. He is getting by pretending to be. Anyone repeating the same negative sentiments that many times is being disingenuous. Best case scenario is he doesn't care about the game. Worst is this:

On September 18 2014 08:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
this game is actually pretty straightforward anyway

On September 18 2014 08:41 ShiaoPi wrote:
thats why I called it straightforward. Either town gets shit done today or we are done for. heh


This game has only ever been straightforward for mafia. Ever since he posted that ShiaoPi has been running victory laps, pretending to be demoralized. Every post since that has been complaining about how doomed town is.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 21 2014 15:36 GMT
#4374
We need to get a big turn around today. I'm going to look between the yamato/HF today, I feel like there is only a small chance they're both town so I'm willing to take this risk at this point.

Four worlds:
- yamato77 is tracker, HF is scum
- yamato77 is scum, HF is wanderer. I.e. scum going for the win.
- yamato77 is tracker, HF is wanderer - low chance
- yamato77 fakeclaims to reaction test HF, in which case you need to rescind ASAP so we can take the time to focus on someone else.

I believe yamato in this case, and I'm willing to put my vote on HF unless something else comes up or poofter/banks (whichever his name is) comes up with something else.

Let's look at some other people I really don't like right now (i.e. are likely scum):

Fecalfeast:
I really don't like how most of his posts read pretty reactive and having his newbieshield up (i.e. I don't understand x and apologizing for being new) at fucking random times. His whole d3 play feels like he's asking questions that can be answered by taking a little more than a second to think about, and just feels like it's appearing like he's doing something.
Furthermore, HF has had no real interactions with him and conversely, Fecal says the following about HF:
To be clear I am not saying that I read HF as mafia, I am saying that saying he has a high chance of being mafia is pointless. In regards to HF as a read I think he is towny.
I can't explain it, but this post feels fucking weird to me, like kind of wishy-washy.
I'd lynch him just for his posts today.

ShiaoPi:
I like Batsnacks' read on him. Collects some towncreds d2 and then disappears. Says we need to make shit happen d2 and then doesn't do anything to contribute further. What was the point? This guy is such a huge fucking question mark. Don't know if I want to risk a lynch on him today, since he's essentially lurking.

Town (pretty much ride or die with most of these):
Tehpoofter
yamato77
IAmRobik
Hopeless1der
Damdred (leaning town)

I currently don't have a strong enough opinion on anyone else to lynch them today.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 21 2014 15:44 GMT
#4375
Anyone around to interact?
Minimal effort.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
September 21 2014 15:48 GMT
#4376
I'm here.

Tell me why you haven't listed LT in your post and/or why you will/won't lynch him.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 21 2014 15:49 GMT
#4377
yes I am around and I have no idea how you have reached the conclusion that I should die when that will lose you the game and I still don't see why me being a wanderer is a LOW chance. It's the highest possibility out of the entire thing. This game has a tracker in it and from a setup point of view it's only logical to have a wanderer, i really wish yamato held out on his claim till later on in the day because not only has he fucked off and done absolutely nothing about it (he's not voting me right now despite calling me mafia repeatedly) but he has got no information from reactions or anything.

Killing me would be a great mistake because then you literally have to rely on saves. Seeing as your town list pretty much is the same as mine then your scum list must also be the same in which case you are pushing that not only am I mafia but I have completely disregarded my entire team by pushing EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? In what world would I ever do something so stupid as that.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 21 2014 15:50 GMT
#4378
go ahead lynch me, the earlier I am out of this game the better
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 21 2014 15:50 GMT
#4379
dun care anymore
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 21 2014 15:52 GMT
#4380
I get your demotivation, I really do. Today we could actually turn the game around ShiaoPi. Why are you deciding to not do that?
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